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Britain and Israel [message #13746] Fri, 18 June 2021 15:31 Go to next message
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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Someone sent me this article which got me thinking.

https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-posthumous-nazi-f ront-against


You guys are probably all well aware of all the attacks of Israel and the Jews around the world during and since the recent war. I found this article interesting as I have wondered for a long time about Britain. I have long been of the opinion that Britain will not be part of the Anti-Christ"s revived Roman empire. I wasn't surprised at all to see its recent exit from Europe. This leaves me to wonder where it will end up.

The short answer is that I'm not sure. I have often said and I'm sure everyone agrees to some degree or another that we are on the edge of big things happening in the world. There has been a steep downward slide in Britain since WW 2. It looks to me like the downward slide going to get much much worse.

As I said I don't believe Britain will be a part of the revived Roman empire so something has to happen to remove it as a military-economic and diplomatic force in Europe and to some degree around the world. The anti-Christ is going to arise into a place prepared for him. God said He would bless those who bless Abraham (and his descendants) and curse those who curse him. I think there is a direct connection between the downward slide and the hatred for Jews and Isreal and it is going to get much worse. With a massive acceleration following the war of Gog and Magog.

So where is Britain going to end up? I'm not sure. At the very least a steep slide into complete irrelevance although I suspect it will be more.


Re: Britain and Israel [message #13747 is a reply to message #13746] Fri, 18 June 2021 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I confess that I've never considered the possibility of Britain's non-participation in the reign of the antichrist so feel free to enlighten and correct anything I may say about it!

I suppose that the notion of a ten-king confederacy could be interpreted as embracing the idea that there must also be kings/nations that are excluded, but my overriding thought is that one of the main purposes of the regime of the antichrist was to unify (and centralize) the Gentile world kingdoms against the upcoming kingdom of God on the earth. Wouldn't this goal implicitly place the other nations of the earth (including Britain) into this confederacy of nations?

I'm going to give this some thought!

Blessings,
William


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Re: Britain and Israel [message #13748 is a reply to message #13746] Sat, 19 June 2021 01:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think ultimately the whole earth will be united under the anti-Christ. Its His power base in Europe I'm thinking of. There are some who believe (including some friends who sit under the faith message) the 10 nation confederacy is actually 10 regions of the earth. That could happen ultimately. There has to be a power base he works from originally though. One reason for that is to sign a peace treaty with Israel he has to be in power and not ultimate power. Otherwise, why have a peace treaty? Which again brings up the question ; where is America?

I'd like to say here I could well be wrong on some of this. I'm not trying to predict the future. I just look at the bible and then apply some reason to it.

I probably should have put this in a different section. I was just throwing out the thought as I read the article because of the recent war and its aftermath.
Re: Britain and Israel [message #13749 is a reply to message #13748] Sat, 19 June 2021 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark L wrote on Sat, 19 June 2021 01:30
I think ultimately the whole earth will be united under the anti-Christ. Its His power base in Europe I'm thinking of. There are some who believe (including some friends who sit under the faith message) the 10 nation confederacy is actually 10 regions of the earth. That could happen ultimately. There has to be a power base he works from originally though. One reason for that is to sign a peace treaty with Israel he has to be in power and not ultimate power. Otherwise, why have a peace treaty? Which again brings up the question ; where is America?

I'd like to say here I could well be wrong on some of this. I'm not trying to predict the future. I just look at the bible and then apply some reason to it.


I probably should have put this in a different section. I was just throwing out the thought as I read the article because of the recent war and its aftermath.



I read the article in your first post here. We're definitely getting ready for something major to break out on the world scene.

I think the power base you mentioned will be close to Israel. The Antichrist will be near the country of Israel. I think if anything it will be the area of Babylon, just a guess.

The are demonic spirits mentioned in Jude that are reserved in chains. In Revelations we are told there are four angels reserved in chains near the Euphrates river to be loosed on the world at the set time. Three plagues will come upon the earth and will kill a third of the population. We have close to 8 billion people on the earth right now. The four fallen angels will have a demonic host numbering 200 million that they will control to bring about these plagues or "diseases".

Personally I feel like we cannot know the exact ten nations that will be working with the Antichrist, this information seems to change with each generation that has arisen since the time of Christ on the earth.

When the Balfour declaration became law, the British did everything in their power to stop the Jews from entering the country. They allowed the Arabs to import weapons and arrested the Jews that were found with any guns.

I once heard that biblical prophecy is best interpreted after it has come to pass. All the key pieces are moved into place and things that were hidden are revealed.

What will happen to America? In scripture we see nations that were wicked and God brought judgement at a later date. In Genesis Sodom were told was exceedingly wicked before the Lord but it was almost 25 years till judgement came to Sodom.

I don't think America is going to be used by God in this end time like were being told from the pulpits in America.

Okay, I believe God will open up our understanding to the scriptures the closer we get to the end. Things that were sealed the Lord will make them known to us. When Jesus ascended into heaven it says that He opened up the understanding of His disciples. They had been with Him for three years and still did not understand somethings till He gave them this understanding.

God told Daniel to seal up the book till the time of the end, I think we are at this threshold.

I'm like you Mark trying to make sense of it all. I am constantly praying and standing on the promise that the Holy Spirit will guide me into all truth and show me the things that are of the Lord.






Re: Britain and Israel [message #13750 is a reply to message #13749] Sat, 19 June 2021 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Personally I feel like we cannot know the exact ten nations that will be working with the Antichrist, this information seems to change with each generation that has arisen since the time of Christ on the earth.


Given the fact that from the beginning of the Church believers were exhorted to "be ready" for the Lord's imminent return, isn't it possible that each of these scenarios 'could' have actually been a fulfillment of the Scriptures, just as John the Baptist 'could' have been the fulfillment of the Elijah prophecy--if they would have received Jesus as the Messiah?

Blessings,
William

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Re: Britain and Israel [message #13751 is a reply to message #13750] Sun, 20 June 2021 05:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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william wrote on Sat, 19 June 2021 13:19
Quote:
Personally I feel like we cannot know the exact ten nations that will be working with the Antichrist, this information seems to change with each generation that has arisen since the time of Christ on the earth.


Given the fact that from the beginning of the Church believers were exhorted to "be ready" for the Lord's imminent return, isn't it possible that each of these scenarios 'could' have actually been a fulfillment of the Scriptures, just as John the Baptist 'could' have been the fulfillment of the Elijah prophecy--if they would have received Jesus as the Messiah?

Blessings,
William


Hi William,

I don't know if it is possible that this scenario could play out. Because the Lord in His sovereignty has known from the beginning who the nations would be that would exist in the end times.

The Lord told us in the scripture that one day He would raise up a King who would allow the Jews to go back to their homeland. The Lord even gave us his name: Cyrus. Hundreds of years before he was born, we are told what he would do to help the nation of Israel.

Being ready for the Lord's return does not mean we have to know who the nations are that would make up the ten kings under the Antichrist. We're made ready by our obedience to Christ.

I can not imagine the early church being concerned about who "are" the 10 kings spoken of by Daniel. They were under the Roman government. I know what your trying to say though. Just don't know if this could be a fulfillment of the scriptures considering what we know about the Word.

Acts 1:6-7
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

They were looking for their own restoration, not knowing that the Gentiles was going to play a role in Christianity.

Okay, one generation thought Antiochus Epiphanes was the antichrist, another generation thought Hitler was the antichrist. Each time it may have seemed like the right decision. But as we all know the church world has been wrong about a lot of things concerning the end times.

Hey Hope you guys are all doing good. We sure live in a different world then just a few years back.

In Him,
Gary






Re: Britain and Israel [message #13752 is a reply to message #13751] Sun, 20 June 2021 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Gary,

Well, I'm not unfamiliar with the doctrine of the sovereignty of God... my problem is that I, like most humans, like to shovel that doctrine into the small sandbox that's on my shoulder. When I get it all in there it tends to crystallize into a giant unbreakable ball of glass that has written on it everything that has happened, is happening right now, and will ever happen, and suddenly God (and His ways) become a lot more manageable to my understanding.

Then my box gets shaken up when I read passages (like the following) that indicate that God Himself might not appreciate the crystallized universe I've created!

Mat 11:21 -- Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

The woulda--coulda--shoulda's of the Bible can't be as disingenuous as my little worldview would make them so it's back to the drawing board and hopefully this time God will give understanding which will help to keep me from error.

The view that makes us puppets on the predetermined stage of history also (of course, unintentionally) makes God the puppet-master whose hands are tied to the predetermined script.

[Jer 18:7-10 KJV] 7 [At what] instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy [it]; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And [at what] instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant [it]; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

I guess what I'm saying is this: While it's wonderful to know and believe that God's sovereign plan when viewed after-the-fact is just as unbreakable as that sandbox model, it's also just as marvelous to know that He could have, just as easily, set up His Kingdom immediately after the Crucifixion--IF THE JEWS HAD BELIEVED--without doing any injustice to His promises. Our problem is trying to view the whole of history (and its future) through the lens of the Infinite God. He's not subject to our whims but neither is He going to balk (or be surprised) when one of us decides to cast a mountain into the sea!

Blessings,
William



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Re: Britain and Israel [message #13757 is a reply to message #13752] Fri, 25 June 2021 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There was a time in my life, I suppose, where I thought I had it all figured out (or at least believed HEF did), but the older I get the more I realize that I don't. I've discovered that I have enough on my plate just simply walking in the now, trusting in The Lord with ALL my heart and not leaning on my own understanding.

My giant ball of glass got too heavy to keep on my shoulders, so I put in back where I got it and started seeking to enter into the rest offered in Matthew 11:28-30 and to dwell and abide under the shadow of The Almighty.

This note below has nothing to do with the topic Mark, sorry.

Love you guys, everyone about back to normal from Covid plague? I hadn't gotten the shot, but the incentives are building up, Birmingham's city council are debating offering a sweepstakes/ lottery type deal to get folks to get vaccinated. Somewhere a business was offering gift cards valued at $25...why would private enterprises do this?

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Re: Britain and Israel [message #13759 is a reply to message #13757] Tue, 29 June 2021 20:00 Go to previous message
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james wrote on Fri, 25 June 2021 16:26
There was a time in my life, I suppose, where I thought I had it all figured out (or at least believed HEF did), but the older I get the more I realize that I don't. I've discovered that I have enough on my plate just simply walking in the now, trusting in The Lord with ALL my heart and not leaning on my own understanding.

My giant ball of glass got too heavy to keep on my shoulders, so I put in back where I got it and started seeking to enter into the rest offered in Matthew 11:28-30 and to dwell and abide under the shadow of The Almighty.

This note below has nothing to do with the topic Mark, sorry.

Love you guys, everyone about back to normal from Covid plague? I hadn't gotten the shot, but the incentives are building up, Birmingham's city council are debating offering a sweepstakes/ lottery type deal to get folks to get vaccinated. Somewhere a business was offering gift cards valued at $25...why would private enterprises do this?


James
I know what your saying, I don't know how it is possible for someone to read something your saying and then they take off running with a thought that your saying something entirely different then what you intended to mean. Someone was trying to convince me that we were in the 7 year tribulation right now. I didn't waste my time trying to convince him he was wrong.

Did that make sense?

They are still wearing the masks in our county. A lot of businesses have signs saying if you don't have the shot you have to wear a mask in their store. But their not allowed to ask you if you had the shot. These are the days when common sense does not exist anymore.

I'm interested in what happens this winter during flu season if covid will rear its ugly head and everybody goes back to social distancing. I heard no one got the flu last year at all. Not going to get the shot unless they force me by strapping me down in a chair.

One more thing, did you hear this rumor that the prime minister of Canada was selling his country to China? I was going to ask Mark about it but thought it sounded to crazy to even mention.

Also last night, someone said: Quote: Biden said to get the gun laws in control he may have to use nuclear weapons on America.

I'm being serious there is some crazy stuff going around up here.

In Him,
Gary


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