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Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11819 is a reply to message #11818] Sun, 18 October 2015 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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james wrote on Fri, 16 October 2015 18:14

Gary wrote on Tue, 13 October 2015 04:53

24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:

Jesus tells us quite clearly in His Word: That "Whoever" hears these saying of mine.

Whoever is for all for all times and this shows that the Beatitudes is not just for some isolated group on this earth. Its important in these end times that we stay with the clear teachings of our Lord and Savior. Jesus goes on to say; "whoever" hears them, and "does them", is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Many can hear what Jesus is saying but they cannot hear, and many see what Jesus is saying but they cannot see.

"Whoever" is all conclusive, and is for all Christians for all times. There is no hidden message in the Bible and the scriptures are of no private interpretation. Men limit the Living God by refusing to look at what He is clearly saying in His Word.

Jesus came to set men free and one day we will all spend eternity in heaven as one, whether it be Jews or Gentiles, He has made a way for all mankind to enter in and to dwell for all of eternity.


Gary




Gary, in response to your last two posts here, I read this the other day on another forum and wrote it down, it really says it all...some might recognize it.

"Doctrinal agreement is best lived out, not recited.

People can say anything. What they believe in is demonstrated in their lives. Doctrine explains what someone believes to be true while faith demonstrates it.

Everyone believes in something, has faith in something, and that something is expressed in how they(we) live their lives.

Our faith comes by being both hearers and doers of The Word."




Hi James,

I don't know if I can say I agree with this writers statement in light of scripture and I will admit I don't know the full context this was shared in another forum.

The Bible says:

11 These things command and teach.
13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine.
Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.


So this individual is tell us that doctrine is not to be recited, I find that Paul tells us to command and teach and give attention to doctrine. The importance to giving heed to doctrine or "teachings" will both save us and "those who hear us", at least this is what the Apostle Paul is telling us.

Paul also states that were to:
15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

What I am trying to say is talking or discussing doctrine is part of the picture unless someone is trying to find a loop hole in scripture to justify disobedience.

In fact Paul says were to exhort one another with doctrine:

Teach and exhort these things.

3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

To read this last statement it sounds like someone does not have "true love" (according to some in the church of these modern times) if they were to withdraw themselves from someone because of their unwholesome words.

What I shared was; that Jesus was going to say to a group of people depart from me you who work lawlessness. Today's church is full of lawlessness with every manner of sin and worldliness running rampant. Fornication, people living together out of wedlock, adultery, people getting divorced and remarried a half dozen times or more, and now homosexuals being allowed to take a seat in God's house and everyone accepts it as normal.

Now their promoting once saved always saved, saying you only lose a few rewards if you have a little sin in your life. Just a few rewards!, I would hope one of them isn't "salvation".

No I have to disagree with this guys statement as I don't know what he means by living it and not reciting it. It could be taken as; I don't want to hear it, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.

Don't forget I said, I don't know what context it was stated in another setting. But taking it at face value can mean many different things.

Jesus said again: depart from me you who practice lawlessness. Very serious consequences for the one who is found in this group.

We who are walking in the Spirit are not under the law as we seek the things of the Spirit.

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those who are lawless don't want to hear doctrine because it gets in their little neutral gray area and may make waves. In fact I believe the world is trying to influence Christians not to use the "S" word because its a form of judging and who are others to be judging us, we can live the way we want and its nobodies business, is the attitude of today. We don't need the Christians judging us.

The fact is we are not judging anyone, we're just quoting what God is saying in His Word and what it will take to get to heaven. They perceive it as judging or their conscience is pricked and they don't want to hear it.

4 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word!
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But don't recite any doctrine
Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
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that's why they don't want us reciting it.
but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

When I speak of doctrines I'm talking about clear teachings in the Bible that say what they mean. If we all take a good look at the parable of the sower we will find at the very beginning of Jesus ministry He tells us that many will hear it but because of their different circumstances they will not hear it.

There was a well known evangelist who had a big TV ministry, he once made a statement concerning doctrine; we can probably through out the whole Bible and just keep John 3:16 its all we need anyway.

If that's the case, Why did God go to great lengths to preserve His Word over the centuries if He did not want to let us know what was going on?

If we go through the Epistles we find Paul spent a lot of time talking about the importance of doctrine. He told us men would turn from it in the last days because they don't love the truth and don't want to hear it.

Not reciting it as this man stated does not seem like it goes hand in hand with what Paul tells us in the Bible. If we're walking in the Spirit any talk, debate, or discussion concerning doctrine should not be a cause for alarm its only those who are sensitive to what they are doing that become offended. Why would it be offensive to a man of God who wants to do only what pleases the Lord? Paul says we will save ourselves and those who hear us!!


Gary






 
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