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Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" Retaining Sins? [message #11635 is a reply to message #11632] Fri, 03 July 2015 22:37 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Gary wrote on Fri, 03 July 2015 04:48

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John 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”


Here's a good one for the theologians: What is meant by retaining the sins of others?

Definition of "retain":
retain
[ri-teyn]

verb (used with object)
1.to keep possession of.

2.to continue to use, practice, etc.:
to retain an old custom.

3.to continue to hold or have:
to retain a prisoner in custody; a cloth that retains its color.

4.to keep in mind; remember.

5.to hold in place or position.

6.to engage, especially by payment of a preliminary fee:



Don't know if anyone can tackle this one but it sounds like someone is not forgiving a sin but remembering what someone has done. I don't understand for what reason you would "retain" someones sin.



Gary




Yes Gary, this is a tough verse. I think it is one that the Roman Catholic's like to use to justify their confessional!

Personally you don't see explicit examples of the apostles using this 'power' but there are at least some indications that it might have been used in Church disipline cases. I'm thinking of Paul turning that fornicator over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh ( 1 Cor 5 ); Another time was when Paul cursed Elymas ( Acts 13:8-12 ); then there was the time when Peter took on Simon for his sins ( Acts 8:20-23 ); then there was Alexander the coppersmith that Paul mentioned in a very negative light ( 2 Tim 4:14 ); and then there was John who said that he would 'remember' Diotrephes who had caused some trouble in the Church ( 3 John 1:9-10 ).

I'm sure though that they would have followed Jesus' example in forgiving even these extreme cases if the offenders came forth with true repentance.

It's hard to have a specific explanation on these verses but it's sure something for us to think about.

Blessings,
William

[Updated on: Fri, 03 July 2015 22:40]


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