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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10602 is a reply to message #10600] Mon, 09 December 2013 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Gillyann,

You are confusing a couple of issues here <<HUG>> (I know that can be taken as sarcasm and it is, but I do have a point by using the device and the point is <<PLEASE DON'T GET OFFENDED>>)

Look at all of the notes. Marilyn has been welcomed with open arms and anyone else who has popped in over the last few years has been similarly treated. Yes, we all have a history of being known as a 'suspicious' bunch but I'd say that a lot of that stuff no longer applies.

Secondly, and this is important, Marilyn, unlike you, unlike Sue, and I've forgotten if there are any other females, but unlike anyone else, -- has come to teach. I don't mean teach by example, or teach by being gracious, or anything like that, I mean that she has come here to TEACH Doctrine.

She has made the passage in Gal 3:28 (There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.) to be her rally cry for females being accorded the same privilege as men to be able to teach.

Now you of all people should know that this issue alone, even if she had brought up no other topic, was going to raise the eyebrows of all who have been in our circles. Heck, it would cause problems on 80% of Christian forums! Nonetheless, we have given her a platform.

But laying aside the female/teacher issue, you know for a fact that if a man had come in and was saying the EXACT SAME THING, the reactions would be EXACTLY the same. No one would pull any punches and reactions would no doubt mirror the reactions toward Marilyn. You have reacted the EXACT SAME WAY toward others when you have perceived doctrinal error, (antisemitism, etc.,) even directing some of it to Marilyn, early on, if I'm remembering it right.

I'm not pointing this out to criticize you, I'm only saying that your perspective toward Jman and the others, (me included) should take all of this into consideration before jumping to the conclusion that something unfair is taking place.

A teacher is going to be, and should be, held to a higher standard when doctrine is concerned. If someone comes in here as a fashion model, or as a movie star, or whatever, they are going to be treated with as much courtesy as we can muster. I believe that is true. I hope that we would treat them as well as we would treat someone we met at the grocery store...

But this isn't the case here. There is a double standard. Most of the time "double standards" imply hypocrisy but not here... the Bible gives us this double standard regarding teachers.

One needs to look no further that Paul's reaction to Peter in Gal 2:11 to see the tremendous responsibility required when doctrine is concerned. (cf. James 3:1)

My point is this: Marilyn is being treated in the same way we would treat anyone who was trying to teach something that we didn't understand. If she is truly a teacher then she should expect this kind of scrutiny, it comes with the territory. (Marilyn, I disagree with your comment about "playing" nicely with mittens... we aren't "playing" here, doctrine is serious business with us.)

Thirdly, she hasn't done a very good job at answering questions that have been raised but continues to move at break-neck speed to other doctrinal issues. Surely you understand how this can be frustrating, especially for us dull minded men!

If Marilyn is "hurting" then I have to ask why? I don't know of any personal issue she has, I'm not privy to any private PM's you may have that describes this condition, and I'm sorry to say I'm not a mind-reader. If she lets us know, you'll see some serious compassion and prayers on her behalf but if she is "hurting" because of being challenged concerning her teaching, well, that is a problem without a remedy and I'm just going to have to cruelly say, suck it up, Jeremiah, it's going to get worse!! Jer 12:5

Blessings,
William









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