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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10593 is a reply to message #10591] Mon, 09 December 2013 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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wishing34 wrote on Mon, 09 December 2013 06:19


William, if you were actually requesting comment, I am at
a point to sit back and watch Marylin work and watch others discern.



Yep. Me too.

I think that Marilyn is taking a personal opinion, based on scant evidence, and building a whole new order (doctrine). This is dangerous for the reasons that you mentioned in an earlier note to Gillyann in this thread:

wishing34 wrote on Sat, 07 December 2013 09:29

GWB,

I have pretty much decided that my spoon is not
big enough to bail out Marylin's ocean everyday so I thought
I might give you more info as to what to watch out for.


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Example of Truth: Believers are "in Christ'

this results in:
  • have authority in spiritual realm
  • have imputed righteousness
  • called to imitate Christ in daily life
  • have eternal life
  • can approach the Father as Abba Father ("child of God" or "son" of God - small "s" )
  • generally are in fellowship with God

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Example of Silliness: Say someone convinced you that you are "in the order of James Bond" the movie spy

this results in:
  • you have a license to kill - Un-Spriptural you say? But "the James Bond order" trumps the other Scriptures
  • you can imitate Bond with a worldly lifestyle
  • more???


If you accept the premise that you are in the order of James Bond then you are open to
many possible re-writes of Scriptural doctrines. The key is to sell you on the original
premise.

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No one could sell you on the James Bond idea, but say someone convinced you that
you are "in the order of Melchizedek"
( Note: Jesus is of the order of Melchizedek, but human beings are not. )


Now that person can define what the order of Melchizedek includes. Their definition
is wide open because this Melchizedek doctrine is not in the Bible. If you have bought
into their Melchizedek doctrine then they can have you dismiss other Scriptures because,
after all, you are of the order of Melchizedek.


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Example of Dangerous: You are "in the order of Melchizedek"

this results in:
  • ???
  • ??
  • ?



Notice the results are not known/given - not until first you are sold on the Melchizedek doctrine.




Marilyn, (I assume you are reading this) this is a real danger... not the part about your own personal beliefs, that's your own business, but you are, in reality, presenting these things as Christian doctrine and if you consider yourself a teacher then you also should consider yourself subject to serious scrutiny.

Serious scrutiny is never done with kid-gloves ("mittens," as you call them) --it is a serious task because "truth" is at stake.

In my last note I tried to mitigate the situation somewhat with a little humor, leaving you with a respectable exit on this particular matter but you didn't seem to want that and went on to indicate that you have "lived to fight another day."

Well, just so you know, we consider contending for truth, the ultimate expression of love, and if we do it in a manner that is offensive to those more accustomed to a lovey-dovey-let's-all-just-hug-and-be-nice kind of way, then accept this as fair warning to the contrary.

If, in the face of all we have said, there isn't enough to prompt you to re-examine things or at least acknowledge that what you are defending has precious little Biblical support, then it might be wise for you to re-consider your call as a promoter of SOUND doctrine.

Jman has given a pretty clear road-map that should help anyone to see the destination that results from building on shaky ground.

Blessings,
William


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