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Sat, 07 December 2013 18:01

william
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GWB wrote on Fri, 06 December 2013 22:59

This has been very interesting and informative.

I think it would be helpful if all views would be put into an outline form. This way, we could compare all aspects.

I would like to begin with your outline, wishing34.

It would be helpful as to why this does not agree with your theology. Smile

The concept of an outline, for me at least, is to present a complete overview of the material. It's like a ladder. I'd like to see where the ladder is going to take me before I start climbing.

Now I'm not so naive as to think that there's only one way to teach, but I can tell you the method being employed right now isn't working for me. Let me say again, I'm not AGAINST anyone presenting material to the best of their abilities... no one has been perfected in that department, but what I am saying is that the method being used is not working at all for me.

Marilyn's method may be working for others but to me this is what I'm getting:

1. Someone says something... (it may just be a random comment).
2. The provokes a grand dump of material supposedly relevant to the comment.
3. This of course causes others to make comments on bits and pieces of the grand dump of material that was supposed to answer the first comment.
4. More grand dumps of material (complete with their own section) follow, again, supposedly to answer the questions raised by others.
5. William's mind -- Blown fuse.

Now maybe my mind is predisposed to be being blown and others are grasping what is being said/taught and it makes perfect sense to them.

Or maybe this is a fundamental male/female gap that will never be bridged.

An outline does what a map would do for a person traveling. It presents an overview of where we are going and the route we are going to take to get there. I've got to have that map, or I'm not going to even start the journey. The random, piecemeal, presentation of the material may be giving some the impression that something great is being built but it is just a pile of stones to me... I need the blueprint to be able to grasp where we are going.

Now I know that this is going to sound like I'm just biased against a woman teaching (I'm not, and I have given ample evidence of that in previous posts) but I can clearly see the reasons for passages in the Bible that give the nod to the male when it comes to establishing doctrine. Both the bible and *my* experience backs this up.

Obviously you aren't having the problems that I've been having, Gillyann. I can only guess that it is because you are a woman and your mind is more capable of understanding another woman, but I'm not experiencing the same sort of satisfaction, maybe because I'm from Mars. (I'm going to get that book, Gary!)

So far, all of the questions I've raised have been answered with a massive dump of scripture passages. Perhaps one might even say that this is the proper way to do it, it even sounds good after all, who could argue with scripture?

A person could spend all day posting scripture and my response would always be AMEN, it's all true, but the thing that is missing are those connecting dots that make the scripture relevant to the questions being asked.

I haven't gone back over the whole thread to see if this next statement is absolutely true but it seems that all of the questions raised by Jman, Gary, James and myself (all men!!) at least have implications that have a bearing on specific Biblical passages.

We have given concrete reasons as to why certain passages do or do not apply and the only response is a re-iteration of the passages, plus a bunch more, yoked with a vague concept about the order of Melchisedec.

Now one shouldn't be too put off about the difficulties of explaining Melchisedec, Paul himself faced the same challenge.

But, and this is the crucial part, if someone is going to delve into such an esoteric doctrine, it needs to be presented in a clear and unambiguous manner. An outline is the least of our expectations. Even if it were a man presenting the doctrine he would face an almost insurmountable hurdle, but someone from Venus trying to teach someone from Mars? That is a challenge that borders on the impossible.

Blessings,
William

I want to believe!

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