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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10540 is a reply to message #10529]

Fri, 06 December 2013 15:39

sparkles
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Registered: March 2008

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But you did ask about women & the 5-fold ministries. I was brought up to believe they were just men. And these ministries should always function together & not be isolated from each other.

Personally I don`t like women running Christian organisations as the sole leader. To me there should always be multiple leadership responsibility. And in todays`s Christian organisations we see more of the CEO type of leadership & not necessarily the 5-fold ministries.

Finally I believe God gifts women as Shepherds, teachers, evangelists but I have not seen the 5-fold Prophetic or Apostleship by a woman as yet - but that is only my observation. Christ is the Head & through out many countries there could be these operating as such.

I’m assuming you mean by Christian organizations the local church. I agree that women should not be the leader of a church, and for that matter I don’t even care for them to be CEO’s or Supervisors in the work place. In all my years of working I have only had one female boss that was any good. She had the respect of all who worked under her, both male and female. The other female bosses all seemed to have something to prove, or a pride issue, or domineering/authoritative attitudes.

From the beginning of time God has set male leadership in all aspects of our lives, the Temple, the home, the local assembly, and the government. I can’t think of anyplace in the New Testament where God put women in a position of leadership in the church. There were men elders, men pastors, men apostles, men evangelist, men teachers all functioning in the 5-fold ministry in the church. The only 5-fold position that could possibly be a female was prophetess. I don’t see that as having changed.

The women in God’s eyes are not less than the man, but has a different function in the home and the local assembly. Because God calls the man to be the head of the home and the local assembly does not make the women inferior in God’s eye. Maybe because we see so little male leadership in all aspects of our society there are major issues with the children, including things like ADD, ADHD, Autism, Sexual Orientation problems, Asthma, and God only knows what else. Not making a doctrine here, just a thought.

For the man to be the leader of a home is an awesome responsibility, and needs a wife who will be a Godly helpmeet for him. She isn’t a doormat, or subservient to him, but rather has a different function in the family. There has to be a leader in the home and church, therefore God has chosen the man to function in this capacity. Where God calls, He will enable. The human body has various functions, so I believe that is why the Lord called the local assembly the body of Christ, each having their specific function. When we are all doing as God has called, it is a beautiful thing, but when people are functioning where they are not called it can cause confusion and deception. I asked a male pastor what he thought of women pastors, and his response was quite insightful to me. “When you have more and more women in positions of pastors and leadership positions, it will gradually make the men quit coming to church, and it will be mostly women going to church, the men will stay home.” I couldn’t agree more.

I don’t even like to see women leading worship, or being deacons, let alone elders as so many denominations have now. It is the frog in the water. A church or denomination compromises just a little with God’s divine order, and it opens the door to deception. And just because someone is a male, does not automatically place him in the 5-fold ministry, but only if he meets the scriptural requirements and is called by God to function in such position. Just because a women is not in the 5-fold ministry does not mean she can't share with others what God has taught her.

But in saying all that, it doesn’t mean men are infallible. We all, male and female, need to know doctrine and the truths of God’s word, so we can each, individually discern what is of God and what isn’t. It will be each of us individually standing before God one day, with no one to blame if we allow ourselves to follow any deception. Blaming others goes all the way back to the garden, we need to take personal responsibility for our own actions and beliefs.

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