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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10536 is a reply to message #10535] Fri, 06 December 2013 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Hi Marilyn,

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KingPriests - Because of our carnal nature we all have to address the error of believing kingship means, "lording it over, superior, and other subservient, etc." Our selfishness desires to be kingpin. Have our own way, be first, be entitled etc, etc and this shows up in everyday life especially to those closest to us. Everyday we have the choice to be first or be the servant. Today's reading by the Holy Spirit through Gary is all about being that servant and that is the heart of what Christ means when He says that we will rule with Him. It is as a servant, (servant king). We find that hard to get our head around as these concepts seem totally opposite, but as we by the Holy Spirit learn to "rule our own spirit," and humble ourselves under His mighty hand, die to self daily then we are being prepared to -


Most of us know this, if not in practice (yet) at least in theory. We have no desire to "lord over" anyone. You can"t walk in the Spirit very long and not be overwhelmed with the stench of authoritarianism that is prevalent all around us. Jesus has given us a taste of freedom and we eschew the idea of losing it and we certainly don"t want to put anyone else under that kind of bondage.

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"He has made us to be kings & Priests to His God & Father..." Rev. 1:6


Here is where I'm a little unclear... are you taking this verse to be future? Some of the things you have said indicate that you are. The verse isn't speaking of some future event even if it sounds like it is in the translation that you quote.

The KJV translates it: "And hath made us kings and priests unto God..."

The grk verb translated "hath made" is an "aorist active indicative" which means that we who are in Christ, are already kings and priests. This isn't some future event that takes place when our bodies are changed.

With that information in mind we ought to be able to look at the lives of Paul, Peter, John and others in the NT and find examples that show us exactly how the phrase "kings and priests" applies to our lives. I think it was Gary that mentioned it, but what you need to do is show us a real biblical example of someone who walked in this king/priest office and then show us how the "new order" you describe is something different than what we are now.

The same is true concerning the "new creation in Christ". We already are new creations in Christ: Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [2Cr 5:17 KJV]

This is already a "done-deal" as we say here in the west.

Are things going to be different when we receive our new bodies? Certainly... but we ought not use these particular passages to tout some future new order because they aren't applicable in that sense. Both passages should be presently active in our lives right now.

Before this you seem to indicate that the kings/priests order is a present reality and then move on to speak of the way it is in heaven (which is the reason I said I'm unclear about your meaning) --you said: (and Sage asked you about it)

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"However the Body of Christ is of a different order, KingPriests, where there is no "male or female, "differences. To be given a body like Christ's, & where there is no marriage (in heaven) shows that it is a new body for a new order of beings."


Obviously the first part --the body of Christ, is a present reality while the second part --in heaven, is yet future. I guess my question is: why are you using the "new order" language (about the angels in heaven) to prove your contention about the present order of things in the body of Christ (where marriages exist and where we are not like the angels in heaven)? You can"t mix up the dispensations, otherwise the body of Christ should quit procreating (and all of the other stuff that goes along with that) and be like the angels! <grin>

Lastly, I was only half joking about the kings/priests (always male in the OT) and the queens/priestess comment. My point was that if you are going to use a new word like kingpriest, you might as well coin one that would be more relevant to your point about female leadership, and a good one to use would be queenpriestess. I wasn't aware of any song or group that used those words so any humor based on that was way over my head!

Blessings,
William

[Updated on: Sun, 08 December 2013 16:07]


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