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moulder wrote on Sun, 23 October 2011 18:06



Convictions and opinions are one thing, I'm interested in finding out God's expressed will in the matter -- that's something we can take to the bank! We might have come close but at this point the issue still seems much too subjective to stamp it a 'Christian doctrine'. Perhaps there isn't a 'one-size-fits-all' answer to the question (Occult or not) but you'd think that if this is something that a Christian Church takes a stand on there would be some clear scriptural evidence to back up the conviction or opinion. A Christian who dabbles in the occult should be subject to excommunication for the offense, to my knowledge this never happened at FA (with the exception that some were ostracized to the point that they had no choice but to excommunicate themselves.)

So far I have not been able to find any evidence in the written material from FA (HEF) where medical science and drugs (with the exception of the mind-altering type -- LSD, etc.) were defined as occult. You'd think there would be a whole chapter devoted to a practice so wide-spread in Christian circles but I can't find anything. I quoted brother Freeman's definition of the occult in one of my notes and nothing in that definition mentioned med-science. That was from a tract dealing with occult oppression and the methods of deliverance but again, nothing was mentioned. There must be a reason for the oversight if it was indeed as important as it became in our circles. Books may contain outdated material -- I understand that -- but a TRACT? A tract can be updated almost immediately and given the importance of the subject an update would be the only responsible thing to do.

This may be because the tract was given as a revelation/prophecy (I think I'm right about that) which, if true, begs the question--Why wasn't this crucial information included?

I'll say it again, I'm not 'approving' medical science but there is a big difference between a lack of faith for healing and seeking healing from an occult source.



I think I basically understand what you're seeking to define or find out, and that is whether or not HEF/FA taught that medical science and/or drugs were of occult origins...or if not that, if they still were considered occult? I would love to research and go back and listen to tape #--- or refer to notes, but I have nothing remaining from those days(1980's) except the little yellow "Faith" book and the "Deeper Life" book, everything else is either stored in my heart/memory or gone.

It may be possible that I have drawn the conclusion that drugs are occult from logic...e.g. Did God make marijuana; the poppy plant; all the various plants in the Amazon that are used for their medicinal properties? Yes! But, did He show man how to make heroin, LSD, Valium, Viagra, Zanex, Oxyicotin, Methadone, amphetamines, barbiturates, ect, ect. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. So if the knowledge for making all these enslaving drugs(I didn't scratch the surface, and it's not just 'street' drugs that are abused...mother's little helpers come from the family physician.) wasn't given from God (and they reek such distruction to millions of people) who would be the source of such evil? Satan. Do demons enter people through this medium, drugs? Yes. Do many of these drugs involve altered states of being, mysticism, lead to addiction? Yes.

Now I have personal knowledge AND experience that the above is true concerning the mind altering powers and addictions associated with drug use, both 'illegal' and that purchased at the local pharmacy. I also Know that drugs are an open door to both demonic oppression as well as possession.

So, while I can not quote scripture per say concerning whether or not drugs equal occult involvement, the end results are the same. Without Jesus Christ to set one free from their cluches, a person ends up where the results of all unforgiven sins leads...death. Under a curse, addicted, possessed...and for sure...not walking in faith or obedience to Jesus Christ and we know that anything that's not of faith is sin. If I believe He saved me, and I do; then I also believe He healed me...all done at Calvary.

Another quick thought...Why would He be behind a pill or shot to give me peace when He has already given me what I need to obtain peace...His Word.(Ps.119:165)

I'll stop with this for now.




“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
 
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