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Sat, 08 October 2016 11:41

Gary
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james wrote on Mon, 03 October 2016 13:13

Promised Persecution and Suffering...

"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
II Timothy 3:12

"Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf."
I Peter 4:16

"For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on Him, but also to suffer for His sake."
Philippians 1:29

So how did so much of modern day Christianity come up with the mindset that if you were 'really saved' life was always hunky dory?

How did people who were in leadership over the sheep of God get it idea that 'real faith' kept sickness, disease, pain, death, sorrow, poverty, depression, at bay from Christians?

"The real problem is not why some pious, humble, believing people suffer, but why some do not." C.S.Lewis

Been thinking about this whole discussion going on here. I totally agree, but wanted to share some thoughts.

God's always has taken care of His people and provided for them.

Jacob and all his sons went to Egypt during a deadly famine. It was so bad that people (the Egyptians), spent all of their money, gave all of their livestock away, and then sold their land,everything they gave to Pharaoh so they could get food to survive.

During this time Jacob and his family was given the best land, (Goshen)and had plenty of food for their families. You could say they had prosperity. Esau on the other hand was left in Canaan to try and survive during the famine along with everyone else outside of Egypt.

All through scriptures God always gave the best to His people. Even Jesus said; those who followed Him would receive houses and lands with persecutions.

I know certain groups have carried this to the extreme, with getting material things. The problem with wealth and riches is that, its "deceitful", as we see in the parable of the sower. If nothing else its a time robber and distracts us from what is really important in life, while choking out the word of God, if we let it.

I have been going back into the Old Testament taking a look at what did God say to Abraham, because we see in the New Testament that we have been redeemed from the curse of the law, so that we may receive the inheritance and blessing that was promised to Abraham through Christ.

Is this scripture talking about the curse of the law (Gals.3:), found in Deuteronomy? Or does it have some other meaning? We know what the curse of the law was and included; "all sickness and poverty", put on mankind because of sin, (Deuteronomy 28:). What does the promise made to Abraham include?

Mankind received a curse in the garden, God makes a covenant with Noah, then Abraham receives a promise. Being "called" into the Kingdom of God, "of course" is the greatest blessing, but I don't think God stops there. Is this curse in Gals. 3, that we've been redeemed from, speaking of the Adamic curse or of the curse given in the law, or does it have some other meaning?

Again, I realize people carry certain verses to the extreme, as we see the modern day charismatics doing.

I'm not trying to endorse a prosperity gospel attitude, like I said, scriptures show riches are "deceptive". But at the same time God does bless us, with abundance in all things. The scriptures do show that He has always blessed His people. They weren't striving for it, but it took place.

Anyway when we receive "salvation" something does take place, concerning the promise, where God provides abundantly throughout our lifetime, not everything is "hunky dory" as the church world preaches, but He is for us and not against us.

Beloved I pray that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.

Gary

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