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Tue, 04 August 2020 19:03

Mark L
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Factors affecting the War of Gog and Magog

A question that just begs to be answered is "Where is America" in all of this?

One of America's closest allies is under attack by a Russian Arab confederacy. For various reasons, America has stood behind Israel all of its existence. For America to stand back as its biggest enemy (Russia) attacks one of its closest allies is unthinkable. So why wouldn't they help?

Here is another question. Aside from the supernatural element ie: God putting a hook into Gog's mouth Why would Gog even try? America has been behind every war Israel has fought but it has always been on the diplomatic & supply side. They were all regional wars so no reason for America to get involved.

The Gog war in contrast is an existential war. In other words, they are going in to wipe them out. Israel's existence is at stake here. America not getting involved in a serious way is unthinkable. With the kind of serious firepower, America has at the ready in the eastern Mediterranean Gog would just attack?

The answer to the question is that something has to happen to hold America back from helping Israel. America is the economic military diplomatic cultural leader of the world. To see it just sit back and watch is simply unthinkable. Also, Russia talks big but militarily is not even close to a match for America. Even with their Arab confederacy.

We are living in the end times and for the reasons I have stated I think things are being held back right now. Paul said we would see the day coming (1 Thess. 5/4,6) Jesus said when we see it to look up and rejoice. There is no point in burying our heads in the sand. Bro. Hef said on these kinds of issues we need to be keeping up and watching.

God sometimes just simply acts supernaturally and lets the pcs fall where they will but not often. Generally, when he moves in the world it's with a place prepared for it. For Russia to act against Israel with America still ascendant is to my mind highly unlikely and bordering on the ludicrous.

So why would America hold back? I will list what I see as the possibilities with (in my opinion) the last one most likely.

1.The fulfillment of visions that have been given about America

A.A. Allen's vision of a submarine-based nuclear attack on America. Valdez had a vision of a nuclear missile falling on a major American city. A.A. Allen also had a vision of what appears to be (if we take it literally) a devastating epidemic. Bro. Freeman and others talked about Chinese soldiers in the streets of America. My opinion is that this is unlikely as it just isn't time yet. David Wilkerson also has had plenty to say as well. There have recently been people on youtube sharing visions and dreams. One that I listened to had Chinese and Russian soldiers on American streets in the near future. I guess we can wait and see but personally I highly doubt it. For a number of reasons but one good one is it just isn't time.

2. Economic judgment.
Where America simply doesn't have the money to maintain its economic and military clout. This is already happening to some extent. David Wilkerson and others have referred to this but again I just don't think it is time.

3.A Judicial Malaise
A Spirit of Stupor settles over the entire nation. The nation and its leaders just don't care or can't stir themselves to care. This has happened to other nations in history. The Aztecs for eg. It's judicial because the time for God's judgment had come. This is entirely possible I just don't think it is what is coming. Or at least not by itself.

4. A Deep Wound

I think part of the reason America won't reach out to help Israel is that it is going to experience a deep wound in its heart. In the emotional spiritual mental cultural economic heart of America. Not the physical heartland but the inner patriotic pride and makeup of America. More than just its pride but a deep wound. Many times people who experience deep inner wounds just withdraw into themselves. Lie down and curl up into a ball. 9/11 was an example of that.

Whatever it is it has to be something bad enough for America to draw up within itself. Many preachers including Bro Freeman have spoken of an endtime judgment of a great earthquake together with the fault line putting half of California into the ocean. Millions dead including Hollywood! That would probably qualify. William Branham also prophesied of Los Angeles lying at the bottom of the ocean

5. I think (my opinion) what is coming is a deep wound together with the fulfillment of David Wilkerson's prophecy of 30 days of catastrophic judgment on New York City. He talked about it after 9/11 and said 9/11 wasn't it and that it was still to come. I'm including that Wilkerson prophecy in a post below.

We need to always remember that God never forsakes his people even in the midst of disaster. He never leaves anything to chance even little things and his people are not little things.

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Is. 65/20

I'd also like to add about my comments on the Gog war. Mostly what I'm commenting on is to me just blindingly obvious. I think the Lord showed me a couple of things and gave me some wisdom on the matter but mostly it's just flat out reason. Plain thinking. No great supernatural revelations although "ahem" I'm standing ready for one Lord.

Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.”

G.K. Chesterton

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