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 Topic: Gift of Celibacy
Re: Gift of Celibacy [message #12533 is a reply to message #12428 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 08:34
james  is currently offline james
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Hey William and Mark,

I was just wondering how's that search going? You know, the one for 'my' wife? I know that's what ya'll are focusing your prayers on cause the celibacy gift hasn't shown up yet.

If the the list of those applying is too long just narrow it down to................loves God; willing to move to Alabama; gives good back rubs; Auburn football fan; sense of humor. I'll be looking for that list. lol


Jesus loves me this I know, for The Bible tells me so!!!


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Gift of Celibacy [message #12534 is a reply to message #12533 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 10:44
william  is currently offline william
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Well, she would also need to be humble if she's going to move to Alabama and be an Auburn fan too!

Okay, enough of that... you just need a few good pickup lines. Here's a good one for the elderly: (You walk into a bar and see an interesting lady over at a table...) go up and ask "Do I come here often?"

Blessings,
William


I want to believe!
Re: Gift of Celibacy [message #12536 is a reply to message #12534 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 12:31
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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william wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 11:44

Well, she would also need to be humble if she's going to move to Alabama



That was my thought as well. The wife part is easy enough its the moving to Alabama. Smile


As I have time I'll be praying for you. Don't be giving up as its those who keep seeking knocking and asking that end up getting.
Forum: OT Theology
 Topic: OT Theology #21 Doctrine of the Messiah
Re: OT Theology #21 Doctrine of the Messiah [message #12535 is a reply to message #12525 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 12:25
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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Messianic concepts

B. The Branch Prophecies

Zech. 3/8, 6/9-13

Term: Branch. - Heb. Tsemach
Is.4/2, 11/1, 53/2 some of the terms are a little different but the same idea.
Is.5/1-2f, 6/11-13 these speak of a parable of Israel as a vineyard and only a remnant or root will be left.
Is. 11/1 speaks of a branch growing out of that root.
Is.53/2 now we understand why a root is coming out of dry ground.
Jer.23/5-6, 33/15-16


Denial of the Messianic reference in Is. 4
They say it is just vegetation he is speaking of

Reply:
all the references use the same Heb. term for branch and to mean Messiah. It is unlikely Isaiah would use it differently.
Jer.23 - the branch is called the king
Zech. 3/8 God calls him my servant
Is.4/2 the branch of the Lord
Is.11/2 the Spirit of the Lord will rest upon him. Its not a twig

Another view is the branch is the nation of Israel
Reply: it says the branch is for Israel

The Branch in Zech.3 & 6

The critical view is that the branch refers to either Joshua or Zerubbaal.
(Zerubbaal was the governor and Joshua was the high priest in Israel after the exile)

Reply:
- 6/12-13 "Behold the man" that eliminates Zerubbaal.
- priests cannot be kings and vs/vs
- both chap go together - in chap 3 they are being prepared for chap 6 - 3/8to Joshua and his fellow priests. They didn't have to understand what the sign was. The point is Joshua is being told he is a sign. He knew he wasn't the branch.


Critical view: 6/11 - is that the branch refers to either Joshua or Zerubbaal. They say crowns refers to Joshua and Zerubbaal but Zerubbaals name was dropped from the text. They say 6/13 "between them both" this refers to both men and Zerubbaal was simply dropped from the text.

Reply: crowns can simply mean a two tiered crown or two different metals like silver and gold. Only one crown was made and it was set on the head of Joshua.
All mention of Zerubbaal was not included in the text so that such a misunderstanding wouldn't take place. So we would know who Joshua was supposed to symbolize.

It is utterly impossible for a priest to be king.
It is impossible for Zerubbaal to be king as no Jewish man was allowed to be king from Zedekiah until now.

6/14 says to put the crown in the temple for a memorial. It wasn't even supposed to be worn.

Re: OT Theology #21 Doctrine of the Messiah [message #12537 is a reply to message #12525 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 14:24
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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Messianic concepts

C. The Servant prophecy of Isaiah 53

The Nature of the Prophecy

It is a transitional prophecy between the OT sacrificial type and the NT lamb of God. It is significant because it is the basis for NT teaching on the atonement.
Ps.22 Zech 12/10 speak of his sufferings but Is 53 is the clear passage
The importance of Is 53 to NT doctrine is seen in Jesus appealing to it right after his resurrection. Luk 24/25-26, Acts 3/18,26 Acts 88/26-31

Within Isaiah there are 4 servant poems:

Isaiah 42/1-9
Isaiah 49/1-9
Isaiah 50/4-9
Isaiah 52/13-53/12
Between Isaiah 40 and 53 servant is referred to 20 times

There are two general classifications or interpretations.

1. The servant is Israel or a remnant of it.
2. It is an individual

1. The servant is Israel. Between chap 40 & 53 the term servant is applied to Israel on numerous occasions. Until Pentecost the Jews believed Isaiah 53 to be messianic. After Pentecost they applied it to Israel. In the 19th century the critics picked up the Jewish view.

Israel and the critics believe the servant is Israel because :
a. Is.40-53 calls Israel Gods servant
b. Is. 52/13 - 53/12 depicts the substitutionary sufferings of Israel in Babylon.
Why?
Is. 40/2 Israel suffered and was cleansed and now is Gods servant to the nations.
When the nations view Israels double sufferings in the exile it moves the nations to repentance.

The biblical view is that Israel was punished for her own sins. Jer. 25/1-10

Jer. 15/1, Ezek.14/14,20 Because of their evil God said he would not honor the prayers of men whose prayers for Israel he honored before. The picture here is anything but redemptive suffering. The OT substitute had to be holy.

The servant is a pious remnant. Some say the servant is a pious remnant within the nation of Israel.
eg. The prophetic body in Israel because they always have and always do suffer
Some say it is the priesthood as a body. some say it is a group of Isaiahs disciples.

2. The Servant is an individual
eg.
- Isaiah Acts 8/34
- Jeremiah as he got a lot of suffering
- One of the kings

The Servant as Messiah. this is the biblical view

a. because of the objective statements made by Isaiah (42/1) it is unlikely he would have said this about himself.
b. Is.52/13, 15,53/11 The references there are to the future. That would exclude figures from the past.
c. His sinless character and the implications of his resurrection in Is.53/10
d. The nature and magnitude of his work as described in 42/4,49/5,53/4-6,7-12 go infinitely beyond any human figure.
e.The HS himself applies IS 53 to Jesus in the NT Matt. 8/16-17, Acts 8/32-35


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