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 Topic: OT Theology #21 Doctrine of the Messiah
Re: OT Theology #21 Doctrine of the Messiah [message #12535 is a reply to message #12525 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 12:25
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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Messianic concepts

B. The Branch Prophecies

Zech. 3/8, 6/9-13

Term: Branch. - Heb. Tsemach
Is.4/2, 11/1, 53/2 some of the terms are a little different but the same idea.
Is.5/1-2f, 6/11-13 these speak of a parable of Israel as a vineyard and only a remnant or root will be left.
Is. 11/1 speaks of a branch growing out of that root.
Is.53/2 now we understand why a root is coming out of dry ground.
Jer.23/5-6, 33/15-16


Denial of the Messianic reference in Is. 4
They say it is just vegetation he is speaking of

Reply:
all the references use the same Heb. term for branch and to mean Messiah. It is unlikely Isaiah would use it differently.
Jer.23 - the branch is called the king
Zech. 3/8 God calls him my servant
Is.4/2 the branch of the Lord
Is.11/2 the Spirit of the Lord will rest upon him. Its not a twig

Another view is the branch is the nation of Israel
Reply: it says the branch is for Israel

The Branch in Zech.3 & 6

The critical view is that the branch refers to either Joshua or Zerubbaal.
(Zerubbaal was the governor and Joshua was the high priest in Israel after the exile)

Reply:
- 6/12-13 "Behold the man" that eliminates Zerubbaal.
- priests cannot be kings and vs/vs
- both chap go together - in chap 3 they are being prepared for chap 6 - 3/8to Joshua and his fellow priests. They didn't have to understand what the sign was. The point is Joshua is being told he is a sign. He knew he wasn't the branch.


Critical view: 6/11 - is that the branch refers to either Joshua or Zerubbaal. They say crowns refers to Joshua and Zerubbaal but Zerubbaals name was dropped from the text. They say 6/13 "between them both" this refers to both men and Zerubbaal was simply dropped from the text.

Reply: crowns can simply mean a two tiered crown or two different metals like silver and gold. Only one crown was made and it was set on the head of Joshua.
All mention of Zerubbaal was not included in the text so that such a misunderstanding wouldn't take place. So we would know who Joshua was supposed to symbolize.

It is utterly impossible for a priest to be king.
It is impossible for Zerubbaal to be king as no Jewish man was allowed to be king from Zedekiah until now.

6/14 says to put the crown in the temple for a memorial. It wasn't even supposed to be worn.

Forum: Bible Issues
 Topic: Gift of Celibacy
Re: Gift of Celibacy [message #12533 is a reply to message #12428 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 08:34
james  is currently offline james
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Hey William and Mark,

I was just wondering how's that search going? You know, the one for 'my' wife? I know that's what ya'll are focusing your prayers on cause the celibacy gift hasn't shown up yet.

If the the list of those applying is too long just narrow it down to................loves God; willing to move to Alabama; gives good back rubs; Auburn football fan; sense of humor. I'll be looking for that list. lol


Jesus loves me this I know, for The Bible tells me so!!!


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Gift of Celibacy [message #12534 is a reply to message #12533 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 10:44
william  is currently offline william
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Well, she would also need to be humble if she's going to move to Alabama and be an Auburn fan too!

Okay, enough of that... you just need a few good pickup lines. Here's a good one for the elderly: (You walk into a bar and see an interesting lady over at a table...) go up and ask "Do I come here often?"

Blessings,
William


I want to believe!
Re: Gift of Celibacy [message #12536 is a reply to message #12534 ] Tue, 21 August 2018 12:31
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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william wrote on Tue, 21 August 2018 11:44

Well, she would also need to be humble if she's going to move to Alabama



That was my thought as well. The wife part is easy enough its the moving to Alabama. Smile


As I have time I'll be praying for you. Don't be giving up as its those who keep seeking knocking and asking that end up getting.


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