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Is the Syrian Conflict in the Bible? [message #9962] Thu, 10 October 2013 02:00 Go to next message
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Hi Gary,

The so-called experts have said that the Syrian Conflict maybe the war of Ps. 83 or the Russian war or even leading to Armageddon. But what does God`s word say.


Let`s look at God`s Word for the Truth.


Ps. 83 The 6 day War / Israel

Edom, Moab, Ammon, - Jordan
Hagarenes, Amalek, Philistines, - Egypt
Ishmalites, - Arabia
Gebal, Tyre. - Lebanon
Assur (Assyria) - Syria & Iraq

Outcome: dismayed & humiliated. (Ps. 83: 17)


Ezekiel 38 & 39 Russian War / Israel

Rosh - Russia
Persia - Iran
Ethiopia - Ethiopia
Libya - Libya
Gomer & Togarmah - Southern republics of Russia & Slovacs of Eastern Europe

(Note: All the latter are part of the C.I.S. Commonwealth of Independent States in full cooperation with Russia.)

Outcome: 5/6ths of army killed. (Ez. 39: 2)


Revelation 16: 14 – 16 Armageddon / Israel

The Whole World`s Armies
Outcome: wiped out.(Zech.14: 12 Rev.19: 17-20)


Thus we see that none of these wars past or future are the Syrian conflict. I will write on that next.









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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9963 is a reply to message #9962 ] Thu, 10 October 2013 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What does God say of the Syrian conflict.

Firstly let us look at the Syrian conflict. It is a civil war between the 2 major groups of Islam -the Sunni Moslem & Shi-ite Moslem factions. These two groups have been in bitter conflict since the seventh century.

Sunni Moslems - Traditional Fundamentalists.
Shi-ite Moslems - Revolutionary, Reactionary & Explosive.

This polarisation will continue to create tension & turmoil. It will inhibit this Islamic Confederacy realising its full potential. Eventually, however, a predicted paramount dictator will emerge in their midst. He will unite them into the invincible ruthless super-power that will dominate the whole world.

What does God say about this group.
`And in that you saw the feet & toes, partly of potter`s clay & partly of iron, it (Last Gentile Rule)will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay. And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron & partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong & part will be brittle.....` (Dan. 2: 2: 41 - 43)

So it is a divided kingdom & we are watching its emergence from the desert sands. It is already the second largest religion in America. Europe & Australia.

There is more to write on this emerging Middle eastern Power, but we need to look at the World`s Quartet, the Big Four to understand what God`s `lead up to the Tribulation,` looks like.

Hope you are interested.





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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9965 is a reply to message #9962 ] Thu, 10 October 2013 04:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gomer and Togarmah have always been recognized as the German peoples:

Josephus placed Gomer and the "Gomerites" in Anatolian Galatia: "For Gomer founded those whom the Greeks now call Galatians, but were then called Gomerites." Galatia in fact takes its name from the ancient Gauls (Celts) who settled there. However, the later Christian writer Hippolytus of Rome in c. 234 assigned Gomer as the ancestor of the Cappadocians, neighbours of the Galatians.[4] Jerome (c. 390) and Isidore of Seville (c. 600) followed Josephus' identification of Gomer with the Galatians, Gauls and Celts.

The Hebrew name Gomer is widely considered to refer to the Cimmerians (Akkadian Gimirru, "complete"), who dwelt on the Eurasian Steppes and attacked Assyria in the late 7th century BC. The Assyrians called them Gimmerai ; the Cimmerian king Teushpa was defeated by Assarhadon of Assyria sometime between 681 and 668 BC.

The Cimbri were a tribe settled in Denmark ca. 200 BC, who were variously identified in ancient times as Cimmerian, Germanic or Celtic. In later times, some scholars connected them with the Welsh people, and descendants of Gomer. Among the first authors to identify Gomer, the Cimmerians, and Cimbri, with the Welsh name for themselves, Cymri, was the English antiquarian William Camden in his Britannia (first published in 1586). In his 1716 book Drych y Prif Oesoedd, Welsh antiquary Theophilus Evans also posited that the Welsh were descended from the Cimmerians and from Gomer;[8] this was followed by a number of later writers of the 18th and 19th centuries.

This etymology is considered false by modern Celtic linguists, who follow the etymology proposed by Johann Kaspar Zeuss in 1853, which derives Cymry from the Brythonic word *Combrogos ("fellow countryman"). The name Gomer (as in the pen-name of 19th century editor and author Joseph Harris, for instance) and its (modern) Welsh derivatives, such as Gomeraeg (as an alternative name for the Welsh language) became fashionable for a time in Wales, but the Gomerian theory itself has long since been discredited as an antiquarian hypothesis with no historical or linguistic validity. According to tractate Yoma, in the Talmud, Gomer is identified as the ancestor of the Gomermians, modern Germans.

Sorry for all the technical information here, but thought it showed a basic picture where this information is derived from.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9970 is a reply to message #9962 ] Thu, 10 October 2013 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It will inhibit this Islamic Confederacy realising its full potential.

I don't see how you get an Islamic confederacy out of that. The power of the arab nations are destroyed with Russia in the war of Gog and Magog. Which in my opinion occurs prior to the trib.

Those ten toes are ten kings that rise out of the old Roman empire. Chap 7 says the same thing. vs 23-24 10 kings that arise out that empire. Rev speaks of the same thing.

Having said that I'm interested in anything you have to say.
Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9971 is a reply to message #9965 ] Thu, 10 October 2013 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Thankyou for the technical information, I think that might stem from your interest in archaeology? Concerning `Gomer,` yes my reference also said that

`They are commonly understood to be the same as Cimmerii, who inhabited ...the region near the Don & Danube. From that region as their proper seat they made many incursions into the more genial climes of the south especially Asia Minor.`
Reference: Fairbairn`s Imperial Standard Bible Encyclopedia.

So we see that the Bible is very accurate concerning origins of people`s. Thus those that went with the Russian army are all in the C.I.S. The Commonwealth of Independent States but in full cooperation with Russia. (ie the southern republics of Russia - Asia Minor where Gomer peoples went & settled.)

That would have been so interesting for you & your wife, Teresa to go on an archaeological dig & have it explained as well.






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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9973 is a reply to message #9970 ] Thu, 10 October 2013 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Mark,

Great to talk with you on this up to date happening.

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`It will inhibit this Islamic Confederacy realising its full potential.`
(that being the two factions of Islam - the Sunni`s & Shi-ites)

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I don't see how you get an Islamic confederacy out of that. The power of the arab nations are destroyed with Russia in the war of Gog and Magog. Which in my opinion occurs prior to the trib.

Those ten toes are ten kings that rise out of the old Roman empire. Chap 7 says the same thing. vs 23-24 10 kings that arise out that empire. Rev speaks of the same thing.

Having said that I'm interested in anything you have to say.


Yes I agree that the Russian war is prior to the tribulation as it takes 7 years for Israel to burn the weapons. They are made out of compressed wood. (Will look up the name.)(Ez. 39: 9) The Arab nations are not listed in the Russian war unless you mean Iran, but the 10 central states/countries are not listed in that war.

There is no scriptural evidence for the Revived Roman Empire. All the scriptures concerning the Final Gentile Rule say exactly
where they come from.

- It will be a divided kingdom.

- its leader will be from the North (of Israel, where the Greeks broke up that area into North & South.)

- its leader is called the `Assyrian.` (Iraq, Syria & Jordan)

- He is also called the `king of Babylon` in Iraq. (being rebuilt by the world - UN)

- the Islamic Confederacy forming will have 10 kings.

(3)Iraq, Syria & Jordan - the leader`s power base that is forming now.

(7)Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Oman, & Yeman. These are called the Gulf Cooperation Council which is a Political & Economic Union. (Yeman is to come in, in 2016)The creation of a Monetary Council should come about by the end of the decade.

Hope that is of interest.














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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9976 is a reply to message #9973 ] Fri, 11 October 2013 06:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I must admit I am not familiar with this establishment of the muslim countries as the ten nations.

I'm not saying this is wrong but trying to see where this is derived from. If anything the Muslim world have centuries of hatred between their rival groups. The Sunnis versus the Shi-ites are religious rivalries for centuries.

Why rule out the EU as the ten nations?

They have already established a one world money system with the Euro. Logically they were the nations rising out of the old Roman empire and the Romans were known for their heavy use of iron in their weapons etc.

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The beginning of the Iron Age in Europe and adjacent areas is characterized by certain forms of implements, weapons, personal ornaments, and pottery, and also by systems of decorative design, which are altogether different from those of the preceding age of bronze.


The Arab nations came from Ismael and it is prophesied in scripture that "they would be as a wild man whose hand is against every man".

What would possibly indicate that the Arab nations represent the ten toes, of iron mixed with clay?

I am not saying this is wrong but need more clarification here, Why it would be the Arab nations.

Gary

Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9977 is a reply to message #9976 ] Fri, 11 October 2013 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One more thing I looked in Daniel 7 from Mark's statement and cannot see where this says anything about the Roman empire.

Am I in the right book here?

Trying to find where everyone came up with the idea that it was the Roman empire.

I am interested as well on this.

Gary




Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9979 is a reply to message #9977 ] Fri, 11 October 2013 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Appreciate your interest & good questions. I`ll do a comparison first of the EU & Islam (forming)& God`s word on the subject of the Final Gentile World Rule.

God`s Word............................EU........Islam.....

1. 10 Kings..........................(27)........10.......
(Rev.13:1 & 17:12)

2. Divided Kingdom....................No......Sunni/Shi-ite..
(Dan.2:41 - 43)

3. Leader -King of the North..........No.....Iraq,Syria,Jordan
(Dan.11:40-45)

4. -The Assyrian...............No.....Iraq,Syria,Jordan
(Is.10:23&24 Micah 5:5,10)

5. -The King of Babylon........No.....Iraq......
(Is.14)

6. Behead people......................No.....Yes.....
(Rev. 20: 4)

Conclusion............................No......10/10.....


This Islamic Federation is just forming but as you also noted the 2 rival groups have been fighting with each other for centuries. Different leaders have tried to bring them together but with out success. God`s word tells us where their final leader comes from, the North. From the area that was broken up in the time of Alexander the great.

Ancient Assyria consisted of the present-day nations of Iraq, Syria & Jordan. So quite specifically, it is documented that, it is from this composite area that their leader will come. These are the 3 nations who will obviously consolidate in the foreseeable future as the power-base for the forceful Charismatic Leader of Islam.

As already noted in a previous post the opposition to Assard in Syria at the moment have declared that they are the ISIS -The Islamic State of Iraq & Syria. The Western powers are supporting this group, financially & operationally. They recently had a secret meeting in Jordan to work this out.

Now concerning the European Union. Yes they have a place in the forming of the Global Government, but they will not be the rulers over all. We will look at this super power & others & then see what God`s word tells us of them.

Glad you are looking carefully into these things, Gary. Also as we look at what God says about the EU, UK, America & others we will see that God`s word is so accurate.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9980 is a reply to message #9977 ] Fri, 11 October 2013 18:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary, You said -

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`Trying to find where everyone came up with the idea that it was the Roman empire.`


I think that people look at the world & then try to find scriptures to back up their theory. For example with the Syrian war, `so called,` recognised world experts are having conferences, writing books, etc trying to prove that this is going to be Psalm 83. As I wrote further back on this subject, Ps. 83 was the 6 day war in 1967. The combatants were exactly as God said. Look on Wikipedia for details of that war & who was in it. On one side is a whole list of countries, all against little Israel. `If it had not been for the Lord, let Israel now say.....`
(see Prophecy News Watch for `so called experts opinions.)

And so to with the Final Gentile Rule, people have looked at Europe coming together & got all excited, started counting countries, 1,2 ....10. There are the 10 kings! But wait, now there are 11, 12.......27 at last count. So they put out videos, books, charts, etc etc, but all to no avail because it does not match up with scripture. But it is hard to let go of a theory people have held for so long.

So as we study further we`ll see God`s detailed picture of what really is happening with these super powers.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9981 is a reply to message #9977 ] Fri, 11 October 2013 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary,

I think that the idea that it would be a revived Roman empire is due to the visions and dreams presented in Daniel. Nebuchadnezzar's image had four parts with each part supposedly representing the four world kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek, and Roman. The fifth Kingdom being Christ's rule on the earth.

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Dan2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

Dan2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Dan2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Dan2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Dan2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

Dan2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Dan2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Dan2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.



Nebuchadnezzar's vision was of a man and later Daniel had a similar vision but in his vision the kingdoms are represented as beasts:

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Dan7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Dan7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Dan7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

Dan7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

Dan7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Dan7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Dan7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.



Again the vision mentions four world kingdoms represented by Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek and Roman. The vision continues with the setting up of Christ's kingdom.

These kingdoms are represented as world kingdoms which I assume means world-wide kingdoms. If it is true that there have only been these four world-wide kingdoms (meaning that the extent of rule of these kingdoms covered the then-known world) and the fifth kingdom destroyed the kingdoms of the world then it would seem that the rule of the last world kingdom mentioned, i.e. Rome would need to somehow still be in existence... in some form or fashion.

Marilyn has given us some things to think about that may give us reason to view it otherwise, but since you asked about where the idea of a Roman empire arose and where it was mentioned in Scripture, I thought I'd show you the traditional thinking behind that view.

Rome is not specifically mentioned but the next world-wide kingdom after the Grecian kingdom, at least in history, was Rome. There hasn't been such a far-reaching empire since the Roman empire so the thinking is that there will be some sort of revived Roman empire to complete the picture we have in the statue of Nebuchadnezzar and the beasts of Daniel's vision.

The last of the four kingdoms is different from the rest and it has been stated that the two legs of the statue represent the division of the east (Constantinople?) and the west (Rome?). The further degradation of the feet and toes is supposed to represent the present day lack of unity in the world's kingdom which brings us to that great unifier --the antichrist.

Anyway, I've done this from memory, so pardon me for the lack of detail, it is meant only as an overview.

Blessings,
William

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9982 is a reply to message #9979 ] Fri, 11 October 2013 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

Here is a different contrast to your summary: (my comments in RED)

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God`s Word............................EU Maybe better described as the revived Roman empire?........Islam.....

1. 10 Kings..........................(27) Maybe 10 at the time of the end?........10.......
(Rev.13:1 & 17:12)

2. Divided Kingdom....................No Maybe East and West?......Sunni/Shi-ite..
(Dan.2:41 - 43)

3. Leader -King of the North..........No The king has yet to be revealed and the north could possibly even be Russia in some sort of re-constituted, even UN controlled partition?.....Iraq,Syria,Jordan
(Dan.11:40-45)

4. -The Assyrian...............No Yet to be revealed........Iraq,Syria,Jordan
(Is.10:23&24 Micah 5:5,10)

5. -The King of Babylon........No Babylon (head of Gold) may only be a representative of the world's system......Iraq......
(Is.14)

6. Behead people......................No Possibly YES--Who knows??.....Yes.....
(Rev. 20: 4)

Conclusion............................No If the above is considered this could be a Yes......10/10.....


I'm not arguing for or against anything here... I'm only trying to present more of the facts.

Blessings,
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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9983 is a reply to message #9982 ] Sat, 12 October 2013 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi William,


You said -

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`I'm not arguing for or against anything here... I'm only trying to present more of the facts.`


How are these `maybe, possibly, who knows,....` facts?




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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9984 is a reply to message #9983 ] Sat, 12 October 2013 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

Don't confuse style with substance... I could have just as easily presented it this way:

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God`s Word............................ World-Empire........which possibly could be:Islam.....

1. 10 Kings..........................10 Kings ........10.......
(Rev.13:1 & 17:12)

2. Divided Kingdom....................East and West......or possibly this could be:Sunni/Shi-ite..
(Dan.2:41 - 43)

3. Leader -King of the North..........Not revealed yet.....It's possible that this leader could be from:Iraq,Syria,Jordan
(Dan.11:40-45)

4. -The Assyrian...............Yes.....It's possible that this leader could be from:Iraq,Syria,Jordan
(Is.10:23&24 Micah 5:5,10)

5. -The King of Babylon........Lucifer.....It's possible that this leader could be from:Iraq......
(Is.14)

6. Behead people......................Yes.....Yes.....
(Rev. 20: 4)

Conclusion............................Yes......10/10.....


Again, I'm not arguing for or against this world kingdom being the Roman empire but I think you leave out a lot of facts in your chart in your haste to prove your case for an Islamic world kingdom.

Blessings,
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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9985 is a reply to message #9984 ] Sat, 12 October 2013 07:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to agree with William but I have been taught this as well. But remember as he stated:

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Marilyn has given us some things to think about that may give us reason to view it otherwise


So I don't want to just throw the EU out with the Bathwater just yet.

I went back to Daniel 2: to read the vision and I believe there is room for what you say. Daniel does state that Nebuchnezzar is the head of gold, from there we have to look at history to understand the remaining Kingdoms.

I see the legs are of iron, then the feet and toes are partly iron and partly clay.

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36 “This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. 37 You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; 38 and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold. 39 But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.

This certainly sounds like the Roman Empire.

41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. 43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

This is an interesting statement they will mix with the seed of men could imply the arab nations.
44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”


I need to do some more research here.

William had some very good points but gave room to the fact it could very well be possible, that its not the Roman Empire that everyone leans towards.


Gary




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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9986 is a reply to message #9962 ] Sat, 12 October 2013 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think one "fact" is that everyone's end time scenario is always only a working theory - subject to
change as a person sees current politics change, realizes they messed up a verse interpretation,
or gets input from a contrary point of view.



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One example comes to mind .

In the 1970's it was popular to define Gomer in Ezek 38:6 to be East Germany. Back then the
Berlin wall was still in place and East Germany was part of the Soviet block. It was quite
amazing to consider that the prophet Ezekiel had forseen the East Germany/Russia alliance
so many centuries ago.

But politics change and preachers put new spins on old ideas.

Now all of Germany is aligned with the west and people usually say Gomer
is Turkey or the nearby states. This fits today's political map better. In 20 years maybe a new
spin will be needed.


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A person would do well to realize they have only a working theory.



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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #9987 is a reply to message #9986 ] Sat, 12 October 2013 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think one "fact" is that everyone's end time scenario is always only a working theory - subject to
change as a person sees current politics change, realizes they messed up a verse interpretation,
or gets input from a contrary point of view.


Very well put Jman. I've heard prophesies visions dreams revelations studies all giving the final answer and then not coming to pass. We can't get too dogmatic on stuff like this.

Who ever dreamed for eg even a generation ago that an Iraq dictator would arise and see himself as the modern Nebuchadnezzar and rebuild Babylon. I don't see how it can fulfill the prophesies of Revelation but we shall see.

I think the bible gives us broad brush strokes and sometimes details. But doesn't put everything together neatly for us. Probably deliberately.

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Can we know what is to take place in the end times?

And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

I tend to think the Lord put it in the Bible for some strange reason, if He did not want us to know He would of told us so.

In Him,
Gary Rolling Eyes






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Thank you William for the correction, not to confuse style with substance. Now I realise that there has been much conjecture, opinions & failed theories etc in the past so we need to go carefully (I hear you all say) & as world events unfold then God`s word will ring clear.

As I present more (later) of what I have been taught regarding the world powers of today & the Global Government you will then see more of what I believe & present, for your comments. Here is the detail of the previous chart.

The Islamic Federation that is Forming.

1. The 10 Kings.

`The 10 horns which you saw are 10 kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.` (Rev. 17: 12)

The Islamic Nations that are gradually forming a confederacy.
(3) Iraq, Syria & Jordan.
(7) The GCC. The Gulf Cooperation Council. Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar,
United Arab Emirates, Oman & Yeman to join by 2016.

2. A Divided Kingdom.

`the feet & toes (10), partly of potter`s clay & partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; ....they will not adhere to one another....` (Dan. 2: 41 – 43)

Over the centuries the Islamic countries have been continually divided between the Sunni & Shi-ite factions. The recent conflicts in the Middle East are because of this very division. (Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria ....... & more to come.)

3. Their Leader – The King of the North.

`And at the end time the King of the south will collide with him, & the King of the North will storm against him....
he will go forth with great wrath to destroy & annihilate many...
yet he will come to an end.` (Dan. 11: 40 - 45)


The Greek Empire was split up after Alexander the Great died. The North part was the area along the Euphrates while the Southern part was along the Nile in Egypt. The Lord is pointing out in His word that at the end-time these two regions will come again into focus.
And isn`t this so true today with the many Middle Eastern conflicts going on there. Different leaders of Islam have sought to be the great leader but to no avail – Nasser, Qaddafti, Saddam Hussein, Assard, ....... However it will be from the Northern region, God`s word tells us that the Islamic leader will arise.

4. The Assyrian.

`So will the Lord of hosts come down to wage war on Mount Zion & on its hill......And the Assyrian will fall by a sword not of man.` (Isaiah 31: 4 – Cool
The ancient empire of Assyria was the region of modern day, Iraq, Syria & Jordan. The conflict now in Syria has brought about the ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq & Syria. The connecting of these 3 areas has begun.


5. The King of Babylon. (in Iraq)

`And the woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.... And the kings of the earth who ...lived sensuously with her, will weep & lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning,....saying “Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgement has come. And the merchants of the earth weep & mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more.` (Rev. 17: 18, 18: 9 – 11)
God declares that the world`s Global capital – Political, Economic & Religious will be in Babylon. `The Woman,` is the false religion, & the `merchants,` the economic aspect of those who dwell / partner with `her.` The world`s leader will then be the King of Babylon, the Political aspect ruling over the Global Government . However, as we know the Lord will deal with the `false religion, the greed & injustice of the economic system & finally the Political leader & his cohort, the false prophet.

`in the day when the Lord gives you rest .....you will take up this taunt against the King of Babylon .... “How the oppressor has ceased.....the Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, ....the whole earth is at rest..” (Isaiah 14: 3 – 7)

`The Lord of hosts has sworn saying,

“Surely just as I have intended so it has happened, & just as I have planned so it will stand, to break Assyria in My land & I will trample him on My mountains. Then his yoke will be removed from them, & his burden removed from their shoulder. This is the plan devised against the whole earth; & this is the hand that is stretched out against all the nations.

The Lord of hosts has planned, & who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?` (Isaiah 14: 24 – 27)

As I write more on the Global Government & what God`s word says about it then we can see where the European Union fits. Is it to be the Final Gentile rule or just a part of it?





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Thank you William for being gracious & honest to consider what I write, I appreciate that.

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`Marilyn has given us some things to think about that may give us reason to view it otherwise..`


A point on the great image. There are 5 parts to it not 4.
`1.Head,2.Chest & arms, 3. Belly & thighs, 4. Legs, & 5. Feet & toes.` God calls the last Gentile kingdom `the divided kingdom` & the word `fifth,` or `last,` is not necessary as there are no more. The Roman Empire has long gone & there has not been a world ruler since then.

When we look at the World powers then the pieces will come together for God has given the specific details of each super power & when & which order they arise.


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Marilyn Crow wrote on Sat, 12 October 2013 18:43


Here is the detail of the previous chart.

The Islamic Federation that is Forming.

1. The 10 Kings.

`The 10 horns which you saw are 10 kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.` (Rev. 17: 12)

The Islamic Nations that are gradually forming a confederacy.
(3) Iraq, Syria & Jordan.
(7) The GCC. The Gulf Cooperation Council. Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar,
United Arab Emirates, Oman & Yeman to join by 2016.



This same argument was used by biblical interpreters back in the 80s concerning the European Common Market when it was first formed. As I recall there was to be exactly ten members that would form this union... well, like Jman said, the political landscape changed and all of those authors of all those books that were written now have egg on their faces. What really matters is not how many nations that we can count at this present time but how many nations there are when the time comes for this prophecy to be fulfilled.

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2. A Divided Kingdom.

`the feet & toes (10), partly of potter`s clay & partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; ....they will not adhere to one another....` (Dan. 2: 41 – 43)

Over the centuries the Islamic countries have been continually divided between the Sunni & Shi-ite factions. The recent conflicts in the Middle East are because of this very division. (Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Syria ....... & more to come.)



Again, the same thing can be said of almost any political situation... heck, maybe it is the Republicans and Democrats of our own country... America is, after all, the leader of the free world! <grin> Or maybe it is going to be the capitalists and the communists? Liberals and Conservatives? I'm not saying that the Islamic thing isn't plausible, it is, but I'd like to see more of a world domination of Islam before jumping on board wholeheartedly by stating categorically that -- THIS IS THE WAY IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!

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3. Their Leader – The King of the North.

`And at the end time the King of the south will collide with him, & the King of the North will storm against him....
he will go forth with great wrath to destroy & annihilate many...
yet he will come to an end.` (Dan. 11: 40 - 45)


The Greek Empire was split up after Alexander the Great died. The North part was the area along the Euphrates while the Southern part was along the Nile in Egypt. The Lord is pointing out in His word that at the end-time these two regions will come again into focus.
And isn`t this so true today with the many Middle Eastern conflicts going on there. Different leaders of Islam have sought to be the great leader but to no avail – Nasser, Qaddafti, Saddam Hussein, Assard, ....... However it will be from the Northern region, God`s word tells us that the Islamic leader will arise.



Daniel 11 has always presented difficulty to those who like everything wrapped up in a neat little four-world-kingdom package because it seems to focus on the third Grecian kingdom. The anti-christ is presented during this time period (which purportedly represents the latter-days). The thinking is that the anti-christ is represented here in type as Antiochus Epiphanes. It's been a long time since I've looked at the details but as I recall the details of this chapter were amazingly fulfilled during this period. But still, questions remain... does the chapter present details that have already been fulfilled in type with the anti-type yet to be fulfilled? There is evidence that this happens in scriptural prophecy, kinda like a dual fulfillment sort of thing, but I don't know if we can use it to explain away the other visions that indicate that the anti-christ will arise during the fourth and not the third kingdom.

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4. The Assyrian.

`So will the Lord of hosts come down to wage war on Mount Zion & on its hill......And the Assyrian will fall by a sword not of man.` (Isaiah 31: 4 – Cool
The ancient empire of Assyria was the region of modern day, Iraq, Syria & Jordan. The conflict now in Syria has brought about the ISIS, the Islamic State of Iraq & Syria. The connecting of these 3 areas has begun.



There is a question that needs to be asked here: Is this "Assyrian" a man or a kingdom? If I have understood what you are saying then he is a man. If so, then why focus on the regions/kingdoms? Is it not possible that the man's nationality is Assyrian but he isn't necessarily the king of some "Assyrian" kingdom? I mean if one side can insist that the anti-christ is Jewish -- a one-world ruler -- and not mean that Israel is the head of the end-time-one-world government, then is it unreasonable to suggest that an Assyrian might be the head of a one-world-system without saying that Iraq (just an example) will one day rule the world? To me it doesn't make sense for you to refer to "the Assyrian" and only focus on Iraq, Syria & Jordan. Either focus on the man, or focus on the kingdoms, at least until we see some evidence that Iraq, Syria, and Jordan are capable of world dominion. Not saying it couldn't happen; anything is possible... maybe even the UN stepping in and making the old-city of Babylon it's head-quarters! (If that happens we might want to quit focusing on the EU!<grin>)

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5. The King of Babylon. (in Iraq)

`And the woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.... And the kings of the earth who ...lived sensuously with her, will weep & lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning,....saying “Woe, woe, the great city, Babylon, the strong city! For in one hour your judgement has come. And the merchants of the earth weep & mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more.` (Rev. 17: 18, 18: 9 – 11)
God declares that the world`s Global capital – Political, Economic & Religious will be in Babylon. `The Woman,` is the false religion, & the `merchants,` the economic aspect of those who dwell / partner with `her.` The world`s leader will then be the King of Babylon, the Political aspect ruling over the Global Government . However, as we know the Lord will deal with the `false religion, the greed & injustice of the economic system & finally the Political leader & his cohort, the false prophet.

`in the day when the Lord gives you rest .....you will take up this taunt against the King of Babylon .... “How the oppressor has ceased.....the Lord has broken the staff of the wicked, ....the whole earth is at rest..” (Isaiah 14: 3 – 7)

`The Lord of hosts has sworn saying,

“Surely just as I have intended so it has happened, & just as I have planned so it will stand, to break Assyria in My land & I will trample him on My mountains. Then his yoke will be removed from them, & his burden removed from their shoulder. This is the plan devised against the whole earth; & this is the hand that is stretched out against all the nations.

The Lord of hosts has planned, & who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back?` (Isaiah 14: 24 – 27)

As I write more on the Global Government & what God`s word says about it then we can see where the European Union fits. Is it to be the Final Gentile rule or just a part of it?




Interesting stuff!

Blessings,
William


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A point on the great image. There are 5 parts to it not 4.
`1.Head,2.Chest & arms, 3. Belly & thighs, 4. Legs, & 5. Feet & toes.` God calls the last Gentile kingdom `the divided kingdom` & the word `fifth,` or `last,` is not necessary as there are no more. The Roman Empire has long gone & there has not been a world ruler since then.


The problem with that is this prophesy is given in more than one place. It is also in the vision of the beasts in chap 7. Where the ten kings arise out of the 4th beast.

Also in chap 2 I don't see how you can divide the feet and toes from the 4th kingdom. Vs 40 & 41 are both referring to the 4th kingdom.

It seems likely in light of current events that resurrected Babylon will play a significant role in the endtimes. Although there some problems with that view.

My problem with an Islamic confederacy is that they don't have the military or economic clout. And that doesn't grow overnight.


My view is that it is a resurrected Rome. Without America on the scene and China's power severely curtailed(at least) Probably India out of the way and Russia removed as part of the war of Gog and Magog. That leaves only Europe with the military and economic clout for the Antichrist to use.
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Hi William,

I can see what you are saying & it will unfold.
About the Assyrian & Assyria, it is like American from America or Australian from Australia, I would have thought.
Also the `beast,` in Revelation 13:1 is the World System & then also the `beast,` the Anti-Christ the one who rules it. (Rev. 13:3)

And Mark,

Thank you for answering the point on the`5th kingdom.`
The 4th kingdom we know was Rome & it was as strong as iron. Then God told Daniel to focus on the `feet & toes,` the next part of the Great Image telling him it was a `divided kingdom.`

Concerning armies America has the biggest army in the world, more than all the others combined. Then you have NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, Uk, America, with Europe. Who is going to topple those?

But remember that it is `by peace` that the Anti-Christ `destroys many.` (Dan.8:25)& `through his shrewdness he will cause deceit to succeed` (Dan. 8: 25)

I will write on America etc soon & then you can see where I am going.

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Hi William,

I`m glad you also find this is `Interesting stuff!` I`m sure as we work through the World`s Super Powers you`ll have some interesting things to say as I perceive you are well read.

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`I'm not saying that the Islamic thing isn't plausible, it is, but I'd like to see more of a world domination of Islam before jumping on board wholeheartedly by stating categorically that -- THIS IS THE WAY IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!`


Would taking over Australia`s greatest horse race, the race that stops a nation, be considered as more `world domination.` I can hear you chuckle from here. But no kidding, our big race previously called the Melbourne Cup is now the Emirates Cup. And to rub our noses in it, our national football association`s stadium is now called Etihad Stadium. Some of our big department stores also have been taken over & to make matters worse the ladies clothes have a distinct Muslim look about them - long flowing tops with leg-ins on the legs & scarves, scarves to go with everything!!!! Now I don`t expect you fellas to appreciate or even understand women`s clothes but Gillyann, or Saga or Theresa or our female guests may well understand. Hubby just told me that Australia`s airline, Qantas, the flying kangaroo, has just amalgamated with the United Arab Emirates.

As to more world domination- Well remember we all thought of the Middle East as `Lawrence of Arabia,` type stuff, but in a few short years we have seen the Middle East come into the 21st century at top speed. Look at Dubai, with its highest world tower & the grandiose projects of the `World Islands,` & Christmas Trees with real jewels bedecking them. etc, etc.

Thus said the Islamic Federation that is forming now will not come to full power till after the Russian War, when 5/6ths of the Russian army will be killed. There will be a political vacuum then to be exploited as not only Russian troops but Iran`s also will have been dealt with. And then this mediator will step into the void & make the peace treaty with Israel & the Arab countries. The whole world will be amazed.

This man will then have not only regional authority but national authority. Then as he shows his superior wisdom & eloquent diplomacy, he will not only convince governments, but will excite & captivate people of every class & creed. Statesmen, intellectuals & economists will unanimously acknowledge that finally there is a dominant & powerful Charismatic Messiah with the potential ability to effect the survival of the whole world system.


The `New World Order` which has so ineffectually been proclaimed frequently by varying constitutional persuasions, will seem to have the probability of becoming a reality. Everyone will enthusiastically give their allegiance to his authority & propositions. The world wide economic, political & social disasters will seem to be miraculously solved.

Then as we know `While they are saying, `Peace & Safety,` then destruction will come on them suddenly.....` (1 Thess. 5: 3)

Praise the Lord who keeps us in His Light & not in darkness,
& leads us into all truth by His Holy Spirit.





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Another piece of interest I found from `Koinonia Institute,` re; Chuck Missler, is that one of their speakers at this years conference is speaking on the `Islamic Anti-Christ.` Haven`t read his book but it seemed interesting that what I was taught 30 years ago is now just coming to light & being looked at.


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`Joel Richardson Author, Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case for an Islamic Antichrist.`


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Marilyn Crow wrote on Sun, 13 October 2013 00:37



Would taking over Australia`s greatest horse race, the race that stops a nation, be considered as more `world domination.` I can hear you chuckle from here. But no kidding, our big race previously called the Melbourne Cup is now the Emirates Cup. And to rub our noses in it, our national football association`s stadium is now called Etihad Stadium. Some of our big department stores also have been taken over & to make matters worse the ladies clothes have a distinct Muslim look about them - long flowing tops with leg-ins on the legs & scarves, scarves to go with everything!!!! Now I don`t expect you fellas to appreciate or even understand women`s clothes but Gillyann, or Sage or Therese or our female guests may well understand. Hubby just told me that Australia`s airline, Qantas, the flying kangaroo, has just amalgamated with the United Arab Emirates.





Yep! Chuckling here...I thought it was a conspiracy when 'big bussiness' started taking over our college football bowl games. eg. when the Sugar Bowl became the USF&G Sugar Bowl and the Orange Bowl became the FedEx Orange Bowl, ect. Now we got the Idaho Potato Bowl, the PapaJohn's Pizza Bowl, and the Poulan Weed Eater Independence Bowl...to name just a few. Hey, somebody's behind it, maybe it's the Islamic nations? Maybe it's just Captialism ran amuck...I lean towards the latter.<grin> That is bad when 'they' mess with the "Flying Kangeroo", what next? the Koala Bear?

Just kidding, Marilyn. Really I'm just piping in here to let you know that the discussion is being followed even if 'everyone' isn't commenting.( I usually bow out when the discussion is above my pay-grade.lol)

The point William makes, as well as Jman, is that things do change and most of us have been following world events and nations rise to power and their fall for years. I'm convienced that many godly men (and women<grin>) have thought they had finally 'figured it out' in relation to understanding Daniel and Revelation only to see their theories dashed when world events changed.

I am interested to get your take on America in the last days...but I'm patient and willing to wait until you 'get there'.

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Thank you James,

I really appreciate your encouragement to keep going & your humour also. So now we move on a bit at a time....


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I don't know about moving on yet. Very Happy

I was reading in the book An introduction to The Old Testament Prophets and as the author shows most of the vision in Daniel 2 has been fulfilled in history. This is signifying that Rome is the legs of Iron.

I'm seeing that the toes are of clay and iron this would signify that Rome is somehow involved in this future prophecy of 10 kingdoms that the Antichrist will come out of. Why? Because iron is shown to be part of the toes, the clay may be a mixture of other nations.

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Hi Gary,

I`m so glad you brought up this point re: the iron / iron & clay. The misinterpretation of this particular point ( as I`ve been taught & I believe) why people have gone with the EU being the revised Roman Empire. I will try my best to explain but I believe as we study where the EU fits into the forming of the Global Government, only them will it become clearer, (I hope & pray)

Thus said, what I have been taught & believe is the 5 body parts of the Great Image of Daniel 2 represent the 5 empires.
1. Babylon. 2. Medes/Persians. 3. Greeks. 4. Rome. 5. Last Gentile Rule.

Now God could have left it there as that says it all in regards to the names of the Empires. However God gave us additional information in regard to the power of these empires.
God said, " there will arise another kingdom inferior to you...`
(Dan. 2: 39) This information is based on God`s criteria of the various metals in order from the most valuable to the least valuable, representing the most powerful empire, down through the inferior ones to the least, the divided kingdom.

1. Gold 2. Silver 3. Bronze 4. Iron 5. Iron/Clay

1. Babylon - the king had complete rule. (Dan. 3: 10 & 11)
2. Medes/Persians - the king was subject to laws. (Dan. 6: 12)
3. Greeks - Councils.
4. Rome - Senators.
5. The Final Gentile Rule - the divided kingdom. (Dan. 2: 41)

However I can see that we need to study, as I said where the EU fits into all this, & what God`s word says clearly about them.
So `hang ten,` Gary, & as we continue we trust God will show us more.





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Marilyn,

History proves that the kingdoms you mention match the image. The metals show as well that each nation is lessor in value. I think were all on the same page here in this view.

It is when we come to the feet and toes, which shows these nations are part Iron and part Clay, that I think this is where everyone starts applying who or what will take place.

In other words the EU is what is questionable. I assume the reason everyone holds to the EU is because the feet and toes have Iron mixed in with the clay.

It does get interesting reading the historical account.

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The four generals of Alexander the Great and their kingdoms are: Macedonia under Cassander, Thrace and Asia minor under Lysimachus, Syria and Babylonia under Seleucus, including Palestine under Ptolmeny.

The "king of the south" was Ptolemy Soter, "one of the princes" being Seleucus Nacator, a general under Ptolomy who later became king of the powerful Syrian (Seleucid) empire.


I only wrote a small section here from the book, but if you read the complete historical account I can see what you are saying about Syria and how the arab nations can be related. The historical account could make one come to your conclusion here.

There is room for this type of interpretation that your saying but by having the iron mixed with the clay shows that Rome surely must have some involvement.

This is my own thoughts on Rome being involved. I can see also see where many can interpret this as being the EU. But I did notice when looking up about the EU that it had grown from 10 to 27, which you mentioned later.

William makes a good point that it could eventually go back to being just ten nations. But after reading the complete historical account with all the nations and leaders who were involved and what took place in history, I can see a small thread building up to the Arab nations involved in this end time scenario because of everyone involved in their background has some connection.

Even though I am still thinking EU I am leaning towards the fact that the Arab nations could be involved in this ten nation confederacy that brings in the Anti-Christ or one world leader.

Gary


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Gary,

You gave a good & fair comment. I also think you are a good diplomat!!!!!(lol) Also, I am pleased to see you reading up & giving different views a good hearing & research.

You said
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`Even though I am still thinking EU I am leaning towards the fact that the Arab nations could be involved in this ten nation confederacy that brings in the Anti-Christ or one world leader.`


I just want to make the purpose of the `metals,` a bit clearer.

You said
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`The metals show as well that each nation is lessor in value. I think were all on the same page here in this view`


You said
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`There is room for this type of interpretation that your saying but by having the iron mixed with the clay shows that Rome surely must have some involvement.`


The `metals,` are used as an adjective & not a noun in this context. Each metal after the Gold is used to indicate an `inferior` kingdom.

.....4. Iron Legs - symbolises an `inferior kingdom,` which we know was `inferior Roman.`

....5. Iron/Clay Feet/toes - symbolises the last `inferior kingdom,` which we know will be the last `inferior` World Rule.

(`Inferior,` from Dan. 2: 39 & details of each rule)

Another detail God has given us concerning this Last Gentile World Rule is that it will be `a divided kingdom.` Specifically this part of the image was of unique composition. It was a non-coherent mixture obviously subject to inherent division.


You said
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`But after reading the complete historical account with all the nations and leaders who were involved and what took place in history, I can see a small thread building up to the Arab nations involved in this end time scenario because of everyone involved in their background has some connection.`


Now on the basis of this one passage we all agree that we cannot say who this Last Gentile World Rule is. God has given us the overview of the `Times of the Gentiles,` & now we must look at God`s other details on this subject to get a correct picture.


You said
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`I have always thought everything must line up with what is revealed in the Bible and in many cases in the mouth of two or three witnesses. In this hour from our stand point we must always go by the scriptures concerning everything.`


Amen.


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Having major computer problems this morning. Don't ever buy a Toshiba lap top very dissatisfied with this brand.

Concerning the Arab nations:

I'm just saying there is a possibility that this could happen at this point in time. It seems very probable that it could happen this way.

But as Mark shared many down through the ages have been wrong. Many thought Hitler was the Anti-Christ, one world ruler. People where suspicious of the UN. Every time something happens on the earth everyone tries to make it an end time scenario.

There is always that slight chance God could do it totally different then what anyone thinks.

Remember while the disciples where walking with Jesus many times they did not understand what exactly He was saying. Even when He told them plainly they could not grasp what He was talking about.

Gary


Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10010 is a reply to message #10007 ] Tue, 15 October 2013 04:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So true Gary, concerning the disciples not understanding what Jesus was saying to them sometimes. They were so focussed on His coming to `restore the kingdom to Israel,` (Acts 1: 4) that they were blinded to the understanding that Jesus had another purpose as well as Israel - The Body of Christ. Remember this was revealed to the Apostle Paul & not Peter, which is why Peter had such difficulty with a lot of what Paul wrote about.

But - one of my favourite verses, - we are not in darkness, so as we look to the Lord, by His Holy Spirit He will guide us in our conversations to the truth. People previously didn`t need to know a lot of what God is now revealing by His Holy Spirit to the Body, for there is the right timing to know of such things.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10018 is a reply to message #10010 ] Wed, 16 October 2013 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://overcomersonline.com/FUDforum2/index.php?t=msg&th =803&start=0&S=144b74e0237c919fc9b500460fa26b33

Here is the basic view how I believe at least, this came from the Biblical Theology section written by William.

What do you think?


Gary


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10020 is a reply to message #10018 ] Wed, 16 October 2013 18:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary,

Yes I`ve looked at that chart before & thank you for pointing it out again as a good reference for us. I do agree with most of it, just some details in the Tribulation that we can talk on at a future time, maybe. There are no details on the chart for the time span we are discussing now in the lead up to the Global Government as it was not known then. I appreciate you walking through this with me.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10426 is a reply to message #9973 ] Thu, 28 November 2013 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marilyn Crow wrote on Thu, 10 October 2013 17:21

Hi Mark,

Great to talk with you on this up to date happening.

Quote:

`It will inhibit this Islamic Confederacy realising its full potential.`
(that being the two factions of Islam - the Sunni`s & Shi-ites)

Quote:

I don't see how you get an Islamic confederacy out of that. The power of the arab nations are destroyed with Russia in the war of Gog and Magog. Which in my opinion occurs prior to the trib.

Those ten toes are ten kings that rise out of the old Roman empire. Chap 7 says the same thing. vs 23-24 10 kings that arise out that empire. Rev speaks of the same thing.

Having said that I'm interested in anything you have to say.


Yes I agree that the Russian war is prior to the tribulation as it takes 7 years for Israel to burn the weapons. They are made out of compressed wood. (Will look up the name.)(Ez. 39: 9) The Arab nations are not listed in the Russian war unless you mean Iran, but the 10 central states/countries are not listed in that war.

There is no scriptural evidence for the Revived Roman Empire. All the scriptures concerning the Final Gentile Rule say exactly
where they come from.

- It will be a divided kingdom.

- its leader will be from the North (of Israel, where the Greeks broke up that area into North & South.)

- its leader is called the `Assyrian.` (Iraq, Syria & Jordan)

- He is also called the `king of Babylon` in Iraq. (being rebuilt by the world - UN)

- the Islamic Confederacy forming will have 10 kings.

(3)Iraq, Syria & Jordan - the leader`s power base that is forming now.

(7)Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Oman, & Yeman. These are called the Gulf Cooperation Council which is a Political & Economic Union. (Yeman is to come in, in 2016)The creation of a Monetary Council should come about by the end of the decade.

Hope that is of interest.



Still pondering all of this!

After looking at what Mark shared which I agree with, but was thinking we don't have proof it was Rome either. So there is a good possibility that it could be the Arab nations. I have mentioned before that they could represent the clay.

I don't know if there is enough evidence in scripture but there is a good possibility that the Arabs could be the ten nations.

Where do you get your news on Syria and world events? Most news in America is biased and if it involves Israel they put it on the back page.

Do you get it from the BBC or some Australian news agency?

Just curious, I don't like fox news or cnn.

Gary



Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10428 is a reply to message #10426 ] Thu, 28 November 2013 03:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary,

I get some of my information from `Prophecy News Watch,` also `Discernment Ministries,` `Berit Kjos,` & `Forcing Change.` All good at their various areas of ministries. Because of my `contemporary view` of certain parts of scripture I am on the look out for specific items of interest & not inundated with all the other details.

Perhaps in a while we can resume our talks on this & do the `Formation of the Global Government.`

Marilyn.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10429 is a reply to message #10428 ] Thu, 28 November 2013 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh my, Marilyn!

Another great idea for a new topic! What are we going to do with you? Laughing Idea Idea


With the One World Order coming together so fast, it might be a good thing! Nod


Shalom,

GWB

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10453 is a reply to message #10429 ] Sat, 30 November 2013 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Marilyn wrote: This man will then have not only regional authority but national authority. Then as he shows his superior wisdom & eloquent diplomacy, he will not only convince governments, but will excite & captivate people of every class & creed. Statesmen, intellectuals & economists will unanimously acknowledge that finally there is a dominant & powerful Charismatic Messiah with the potential ability to effect the survival of the whole world system.


The `New World Order` which has so ineffectually been proclaimed frequently by varying constitutional persuasions, will seem to have the probability of becoming a reality. Everyone will enthusiastically give their allegiance to his authority & propositions. The world wide economic, political & social disasters will seem to be miraculously solved.


Still thinking about all of this.

There is one thing that has not been mentioned in this whole picture here. This one world ruler will come with a false prophet who does signs and wonders. There will be a one world religion. This has always been seen as being the Roman Catholic Church heading it up. I cannot for the life of me see Muslims as heading up a one world religion.

Their religion is based on fear and control of the people through manipulation.

Christianity is the one religion that proclaims signs and wonders through healing, deliverance, etc. Judaism, Christianity, and the RCC would reject any form of a world religion that was controlled by the Muslims.

This could be another indicator that Rome will be just as involved in world events as much as any Arab nations.

Gary


[Updated on: Sat, 30 November 2013 11:35]

Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10455 is a reply to message #10453 ] Sat, 30 November 2013 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Gary,

Interesting thoughts. Now the Anti-Christ is the Political leader who is `the Assyrian,` (from the area of Iraq, Syria & Jordan). Then the False Prophet is a Charismatic Economist. He is the executor of the Global Government. This aspect has been overlooked a lot & people tend to think of him in just religious terms. However to be in Government the Economic aspect is the area that he will arise from. The religious part comes with his association with the Anti-Christ.

`And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence.....And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast,...` (Rev. 13: 12 & 14)


Thus when we look at the forming of the Global Government we will see how the Economic aspect is the main agenda at the moment.

Blessings.


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