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Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7124] Tue, 22 June 2010 16:44 Go to next message
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Soaking...


O.K. since I've been having so much success engaging everyone in discussions I thought I'd introduce this 'new thing' that seems to be growing throughout charismatic circles, soaking. So maybe I'm the last to hear about it(actually I've heard about it for a few years, I think researching Todd Bentley is where I first heard about it) but it appears to be gaining a larger following. I saw on the 700 Club, a woman named Marguerite Evans who is the National Coordinator for 'Soaking Prayer Centers', pitching 'soaking kits' (they're available in Spanish, fyi ) and they have over 1,000 centers located nationwide. Wow! Impressed yet?

So has anyone had any experience with soaking? ( I mean besides a long hot bath ) Is it a God thing or another one of Satans deceptions like the 'laughing anointing'; the 'head shaking, hissing anointing'; the 'falling down anointing'?

btw: I understand falling on ones face before The Lord in prayer and suplication, and I understand remaining before Him for a period of time, I also understand the 'joy' of The Lord; I'm thinking this is altogether something else...


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7125 is a reply to message #7124 ] Wed, 23 June 2010 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I first heard about it about 8 yrs ago with the Toronto airport. had a friend who did it all the time. To me its just more charismatic nonsense. Things get more kooky all the time
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7128 is a reply to message #7125 ] Wed, 23 June 2010 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, kooky and sad to me. I see a "poor in spirit" church of the end-time.

What they crave is the praise and worship we had at FA. Given the right circumstances, we still know how to have that same experience without the "rich church" always barking for profits for some package deal to have more of God.

This is the day, this is the day........


Shalom,

GWB

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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7129 is a reply to message #7128 ] Wed, 23 June 2010 21:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny you should post that right now... I was in the Library section listening to worship music, having my own little private praise and worship...


Yep...this is the day, and I'll rejoice and be glad in it.

Clapping our hands we sing hallelujah, sing hallelujah, chapping our hands...dancing for joy we ....


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7131 is a reply to message #7129 ] Wed, 23 June 2010 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amen James!!!


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7138 is a reply to message #7131 ] Thu, 24 June 2010 14:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A Fresh Word for Today...


Another thing I see sweeping Charismatic Christian circles is people seeking after a 'fresh word for today'; and there are plenty willing to oblige them. The christian networks are filled with WOF preachers, male and female, starting off their show by saying they have a fresh or new Word from The Lord 'for today'. No one wants to stand on God's Word and excerise faith, everyone wants a 'new' WORD, Rhemas. Hey! how about folks start standing on the one already given us? I'm not speaking of new or fresh revelation by The Holy Spirit that leads us into a deeper walk with Jesus and our relationship with our Father through scripture.

It's like people get bored easily with what's been given us, everyone wants something new and exciting, personal prophecies, no patience... Tickle our ears with something new, revelent to our 'today' culture. Tommy Tenney, who wrote 'The God Chasers'(a best seller, almost as popular as PDL by R.Warren)said in his book that scripture was like "dusty love letters that were written long ago"...as he encouraged his readers to seek 'new things, new truths, and today revelations'. Remember the children of Israel in the desert? And how quickly they forsook their leader Moses, and had Aaron build them a golden calf to worship in the place of God. (Ex.32:1-4)

Here's what God has to say concerning the Word we already have...

Psalms 19:7-11

"The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter than honey and the honeycomb.

Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward."


John 14:26

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."


Rom. 15:4

"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope."


II Tim. 3:16-17

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


How about this...

Jeremiah 6:16

"Thus saith The Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls..."

[Updated on: Thu, 24 June 2010 14:48]


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7139 is a reply to message #7124 ] Fri, 25 June 2010 08:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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HI James,
I remember having someone tell me they went to the Toronto Airport Vineyard(when they belonged to the Vineyard Church) and had "soaking prayer." What she experienced sounded quite mystical and even hypnotic. People would gather around while she was on the floor doing "carpet time," lay hands on her and pray. They also had a room where people could come and soft music was playing in the background, and the person would lay on the floor and just soak up the mood or feeling in the room, and then others would come and pray over them. We have all been warned about not letting just anyone lay hands on us. People went to Toronto for the "experience," not the preaching of the word. When one seeks experience over substance of the word, they are only asking for trouble and oppression. We have all seen it. I know in one of Dave Wilkersons messages he also warned people to not let people lay hands on them, unless they would possible pick up a spirit from the one who is laying hands on them. We need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves because Satan is going around seeking whom he may devour.
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7140 is a reply to message #7138 ] Fri, 25 June 2010 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Human beings seek experiences that give credence to something bigger than
themselves. Instinctively we know that there is more to life than the
physical cycle that is visible to our five senses, and whenever (and
wherever) there seems to be phenomena that confirms this spiritual world
mankind will naturally gravitate in that direction.

This is true for both religious (pagan or otherwise) and non-religious
people. (*Exceptions: Evolutionists, Cessationists, Baptists, Methodists,
etc., etc., <grin>)

It should not surprise us or seem odd when this occurs. In fact it would
be odd if it did not occur. Imagine how odd it would be for there to be
no curiosity generated when some out-of-the-ordinary event (UFO sightings,
miraculous healing, angel sighting, etc.) occurred.

We have example after example of this same behavior throughout the pages
of the bible. We are told that crowds followed Jesus often just because
of the miracles.

The Jews had an external standard to judge the source of these miracles,
but even with the Word of God they sometimes were carried away with truly
supernatural events that were unfortunately being performed by magicians
using unorthodox methods. (Remember Saul and the witch?)

I'm quite certain that if the Lakeland thing (complete with the lying
wonders) had happened in New Testament times, there would have been no
small stir among the people of the time.

The problem we have today is that there is little to no discernment that
differentiates between the true and the false. Further complicating
matters is that there is precious little of the miraculous that can be
attributed to those who are walking in the truth.

With this in mind, consider this: Jesus gave a clear promise concerning
the signs that one could expect to follow those who are proclaiming the
Gospel (Mark 16); without those signs the Word preached may or may not be
valid. So with the natural inclination, almost universally present in
mankind, (to seek validation concerning the spiritual via supernatural
signs) is it any wonder that when the kooky-out-of-the-ordinary stuff
happens, people flock to it?

Let's face it, the only reason some of us are not caught up in some of
this kookiness is due to the fact that someone taught us the principles
necessary to discern these things. How is it that we fail to understand
that without teaching (or the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit)
those who are caught up in these things are only doing what comes
naturally? How will they know without a teacher? --to paraphrase a
popular verse.

If those who were taught these things do not teach them to others then
even that which we have will not endure beyond our own lifetime.

Who do you know that is still proclaiming these truths? It is one thing to
hold fast to the truth but altogether another to actually perpetuate that
truth.

Most of us have experienced the supernatural elements of the Gospel
message and while I'm probably right in saying that outside of our own
selves and family the supernatural signs and wonders that are given to
confirm the Word may not be present... meaning that the last time you
stood up to proclaim the Word most likely it was not accompanied by a lame
man being healed. This either means the Word you are proclaiming isn't
validatable (which we know is not the case!<grin>) or your faith isn't
ready to embrace the supernatural signs & wonders ministry that
accompanies the proclamation of the Gospel (also hard to imagine!) or there
is some purpose that is outside of our understanding that God only knows
that explains the lack.

Our own experience has proved that God's Word works-- by producing faith
in our hearts which has resulted in healing/deliverance/prosperity-- even
though that same Word, when proclaimed to us, wasn't attended by
signs/wonders. This indicates, to me at least, that we should propagate
that Word, with or without the attending signs, so that our kooky brethren
can know that there are prophets in their midst! Perhaps this will result
in more changed lives and other opportunities for this Gospel to be
spread!

Blessings,
William

[Updated on: Fri, 25 June 2010 14:24]

Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7141 is a reply to message #7140 ] Fri, 25 June 2010 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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moulder wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 13:28



Let's face it, the only reason some of us are not caught up in some of
this kookiness is due to the fact that someone taught us the principles
necessary to discern these things. How is it that we fail to understand
that without teaching (or the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit)
those who are caught up in these things are only doing what comes
naturally? How will they know without a teacher? --to paraphrase a
popular verse.

If those who were taught these things do not teach them to others then
even that which we have will not endure beyond our own lifetime.

Who do you know that is still proclaiming these truths? It is one thing to
hold fast to the truth but altogether another to actually perpetuate that
truth.




You're exactly right, William...Though some people are by nature more gullible than others, we'd probably all be caught up in some, if not all the kooky krazy karismatic krap, were it not for God sending a man named Hobart Freeman to teach us the principles of how to listen to The Holy Spirit and discernment. And I humbly state that I haven't "failed to understand that without teaching those who are caught up in these things are only doing what comes naturally." That's my reason for bringing up these things going on in the Body of Christ today, I do understand that 'there, but for the grace of God goes me', that if I don't warn and exhort, who will?

I hope this doesn't come off as tooting my own horn<grin>, but the whole reason behind the thread on the Lakeland (false) Revival/ Todd Bentley was to expose these false teachers/prophets/apostles/faith healers. It all started with a fellow Christian coming to me asking about Lakeland/Bentley and my desire to help him see the truth, through walking him through the videos and then pointing him to scriptures that refuted it. Same with some other threads I started (like this one) to point out this stuff that's going on in the church today. I figure that none of those of us who are regulars on this forum are caught up in soaking prayer, or theophostic prayer, or thinking that God is our 'Daddy', or fresh words for today, or the false prosperity message by WOF teachers, or the TBN/Inspiration prophets...but maybe there could be someone who just comes by to read now or in the future who this could help keep them from these deceptions.

I get no pleasure from pointing out these errors and deceptions, it's not done as to make fun of or criticize fellow Christians (or those pretending to be), it's to warn people before it's too late, to keep them from getting caught up in Satan's snare. And it's absolutely because I was taught to be grounded in God's Word and to be discerning.

I don't know how effective this is as far as perpetuating truth, but I'm not afraid or ashamed to share when the opportunity is given, both here as well as to those I encounter in day to day life.

btw: it's not be best way to make friends and influence people, especially fellow Christians...but it's a good way to practice being obedient to our callings.


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7142 is a reply to message #7141 ] Fri, 25 June 2010 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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P.S. Welcome back to you too, James!* <grin>

Blessings,
William




















* I've missed your insight!


I want to believe!
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7143 is a reply to message #7142 ] Fri, 25 June 2010 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ditto...

Smile


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7160 is a reply to message #7143 ] Sat, 03 July 2010 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Taize Worship...


Anyone know anything about Taize worship or prayer? I see it growing among young people in several different denominations, from Catholic to Baptist. I know that it is composed of chanting, meditation, repetition, and silence. It started in France and seems to be a blend of Catholicism, new age, and mysticism.

The local Presbyterian church is using it to draw young people by offering alternative forms of worship. I listened on YouTube to some of it and it 'sounded' beautiful as far as the sound of voices joining together in harmony.


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7167 is a reply to message #7160 ] Mon, 05 July 2010 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi James,
I don't know too much about it, but we do have at least one church where I live that has a service every month. This church is United Methodist. As I read about the Taize prayer one of the words that is concerning to me is "Euchumenical."
At what point does it just become compromise? Also at some of the Taize services they have icons, or pictures of Mary or the saints.

Taize prayer is very Catholic in nature and belief, and has had the blessing of the pope. I have read that some Catholics are concerned with people of other denomintions participating in the Taize, since it may corrupt the true faith. It is time for the church to be discerning of the snares of the enemy and resist them, even if it means criticism of others who are believers. Anything that is Euchemenical in nature will only bring a person to compromise their beliefs. And where does it stop? Will the false religions also want to participate, only they will pray to their god?

Seems like many people think those who want to be discerning are critical, but that isn't true, we just want to be careful, because the devil does walk about seeking whom he may devour, but we need to be wise and careful what we participate in.
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7169 is a reply to message #7167 ] Mon, 05 July 2010 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sage wrote on Mon, 05 July 2010 13:00



Seems like many people think those who want to be discerning are critical, but that isn't true, we just want to be careful, because the devil does walk about seeking whom he may devour, but we need to be wise and careful what we participate in.


Yes, that's my reason for pointing out these things. In a perfect world we wouldn't have to worry with all these deceptions and false doctrines, but we don't live in a perfect world; we don't even have a perfected body of believers(including myself, as if I needed to point that out).

I went along just minding my own business for too many years, concentrating on my own walk with The Lord and ignoring all that was happening within 'the church'. I'm afraid far too many must of had this same mindset of self preservation, because if we'd been shining our light on all this foolishness maybe it wouldn't have become such a widespread problem...maybe not.

I've always know that 'out there' it was pretty crazy, but until the last few years I hadn't realized just out many kooky things had invaded the church. All because of the lack of discernment and the unwillingness to measure everything against The Word of God, cause that requires commitment and time...too easy to just get caught up in the wave of excitment and experience, rather than question what 'everyone' is doing.

I don't much really care what people 'think' of me concerning criticism, the one's who think that pointing out error and corruption within the body of Christ and warning about them is being critical, are the same people who embrace everything that comes down the charismatic pipeline. I am not stupid enough to think that everyone will heed the warning, nevertheless, I'll no longer keep silent while there's still time. Remember there is coming a time where there will be a famine in the land, not of a lack of food, but a spiritual famine of the hearing of The Word. Amos 8:11-12


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7228 is a reply to message #7169 ] Sat, 31 July 2010 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The offering, for money, of religious paraphernalia...


It's such a widespread pratice among many of the 'big name' TV preachers that people think nothing of it, and in fact believe in it. (many justify it by using the example of the disciples in the book of Acts praying over the cloth and sending it out for healing) Almost everyone on TBN and Inspiration Network have 'special' offers on their websites, that are nothing but another way to fleece the gullible.

Yesterday Benny Hinn placed a plea for financial help on his website. He said he needed $2,000,000 (yep, that's Million) imediately to pay his creditors. He made sure to state that he 'knew' God would supply it(so why was he asking men?) But he also wasn't going to have anyone not feel like they weren't getting something in return, here's a few of his offerings...

For a $52 seed, one could get 52 weeks of 'favor' from God, that's only $1 per week to receive favor for an entire year...Wow!

For $50 one can have a special, already prayed over, anointed, 'Prosperity Shawl", with 12 promises written on it...

For a mere $35 a person could buy a 'Dog Tag', stainless steel with The Lord's Prayer inscribed on it.

And for a real bargain, $15 gets a special bottle of 'Prosperity Anointing Oil'.
(he'd probably use them himself but he wants to give others the opportunity to see just how well it works)... Right!


Another man offers 'Manna Meals', and Stars of David to hang around the neck and a '10 Commandment bracelet'. He's into the Jewish traditions, offering many Jewelry & Hebraic Products such as a specially reduced 'Yeshuah' pendant for only $20. Oh, and you can purchase 'Prophetic Words' and explanations on DVD from the Prophecy conferences and seminars.


I was reading in I Kings 18 about how Elijah, as a true prophet of God, took on ALL 450 of the prophets Baal, proved them as false, and then killed everyone of them. NO! I ain't saying that... Rolling Eyes but I am saying that it sure would do wonders for the 'church' if The Lord would raise up one with the anointing of Elijah and expose all these false ministeries for what they really are.( I don't think it would take but one time, I believe word would get around pretty fast)


[Updated on: Sat, 31 July 2010 14:41]


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I agree. After being in the OT for quite awhile...I think a true prophet being raised up could house clean very well.


Shalom,

GWB

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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7402 is a reply to message #7229 ] Wed, 20 October 2010 07:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chasing signs and wonders...


Mark 16:17-18

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover
."


Believers aren't told by Jesus to go follow after signs and wonders, we're told that if we're believers these signs shall follow us. So why is it that so many go running from revival to revival, from seminar to seminar, conferences, anywhere that there is reported to be healings or miracles. Paying hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to be 'trained/taught/imparted' to be 'apostles' or 'prophets', discover how to interpet dreams or understand number meanings. No where does God's Word say that 'these signs shall follow them that'...go to seminary, or seminars, or revivals, or watch TBN, or whatever. It's those that B-E-L-I-E-V-E....F-A-I-T-H.

The signs were given by The Lord to confirm the Word being preached...verse 20 says this, "...the Lord working with them, and confirming the Word with signs following."

New Christians? Understandable, but many of these signs and wonders chasers aren't new Christians, they're just people being deceived due to a lack of knowledge, and they don't have knowledge because they're too busy running around chasing experiences rather than taking the time required to get God's Word grounded in their hearts and be able to discern that all these events don't draw one into a closer relationship with Jesus, it just contributes to the confussion going on today in Charismania.

[Updated on: Wed, 20 October 2010 07:42]


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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #7459 is a reply to message #7402 ] Fri, 05 November 2010 18:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Another fad or trend going on in charismatic circles today is the deceiving of the youth. There are those out there who are taking advantage of young people who are impressionable and seeking God. There are several groups doing this and the music is one of the biggest draws.

I'm not going to try to name every one of them at this time but I am going to mention a few. 'Jesus Culture' is out of Redding, CA. and Bethel Church, pastored by one of the 'commissioners' of Todd Bentley, Bill Johnson. In Kansas City there's IHOP(International House of Prayer) lead by Mike Bickle. John Crowder, Sons of Thunder(the guy who acts like he's toking a joint or sloshed in the spirit when under the influence of demons), this guy is so irreverent I don't know why God hasn't struck him down; with his crossing himself (like the catholics do) and his 'Okee Dokee god' prayer.) Here in Birmingham, AL there's the 'Basement' that is literally drawing in thousands of kids with their mosh-pit, rock concert, light show, Jesus jams.

I AM NOT CONDEMNING THESE YOUTH, they haven't been taught any better, they are usually eager and filled with enthusiasm, looking for something...God. But many are being exposed to these 'new-age' universal religious groups. And maybe even the leaders are deceived themselves, but they refuse to hear the truth and reject it when it's presented to them.

And while I'm thinking of it, there's supposedly a new 'revival' going on in ALABAMA...Daphne, AL.(near Mobile, AL.) One of the guys involved with the 'Brownsville Revival' (Pensacola, FL.),John Kilpatrick, has been having something similar to Lakeland for several months, but it hasn't drawn the attention that Lakeland had.(maybe Todd Bentley is the difference, or maybe somebody in the charismatic movement has learned a lesson.) I haven't heard of anyone who has gone but it's advertised on the internet as a revival.

[Updated on: Fri, 05 November 2010 19:10]


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I was just watching some videos from the Basement web site:
Oh My !!!!!!

Let us make God into Our image, no reverence, no humility.
Lets get high on Jesus !

(I just can’t picture Jesus conforming to this Image at the Basement !)

Rather than allowing the Holy Spirit to transform the old man into the image of Christ
And to walk in holiness according to His word, turning away from the things and life styles of this world and be conformed to the image of Christ.

I pray that these kids find the Real Jesus, The One the Bible speaks of .

Paul warned the Church, that some would come and preach another Jesus and so they have !

James have you ever gone down there and tried to talked to these kids ?

I remember years ago when a brother came into my life and pointed me to the way of truth. The Word of God, the message of Faith, the Deeper life, The Holy Spirit.
One person empowered with the Holy Spirit can do the impossible !
Freely you have received, Freely Give.


Ron
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"Let us make God into Our image, no reverence, no humility.
Lets get high on Jesus !"


This movement reminds me of the Jesus Freak movement when I was in high school. I was a member of the Jesus Freak Club at our local high school! My, how things have changed.



"Rather than allowing the Holy Spirit to transform the old man into the image of Christ
And to walk in holiness according to His word, turning away from the things and life styles of this world and be conformed to the image of Christ."


It took me years to learn these truths at FA.

I pray that these young, zealous believers will find good, solid teaching to come into their lives. Jesus was gracious to lead me to FA for grounded teaching.

Praise you Jesus for your loving kindness and mercy in my life when I was so young in body and spirit.

Praise you Jesus that the same grace keeps me even today in my walk with You.



Shalom,

GWB

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More thoughts on chasing signs and wonders...


"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;

insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Behold, I have told you before.

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold,

he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
~Matt. 24:23-26


I've been thinking about the reason many are caught up in chasing after these signs and wonders ministries that pop up around the world; it could be that they NEED what's being promised(healing) or just have a desire to be in God's presence and think that's where He is.(not understanding that He dwells within us and we can be in His presence where we are.)

Another reason may be that they're seeking 'proof' that He can/will do as He promises in His Word.(heal, deliver, pour out His Spirit upon people, ect) What did Jesus tell Thomas when he required 'proof'? "...Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." `John 20:29

An OT scripture concerning this is found in Deuteronomy 13 verses 1-4; and the key to discerning the difference between what is of God and what is a false deception is found in verse 2; "...saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them...THOU SHALT NOT HEARKEN UNTO THE WORDS OF THAT PROPHET, OR DREAMER OF DREAMS:...

I think it'll continue to get worse and worse as the end draws nearer...How can a true disciple of Christs' be assured of not falling into these traps of Satan? by 'Taking Heed' to The Word of God; by rightly dividing The Word of Truth; by walking in Faith; by dwelling in the secret place of The Most High; by testing the spirits; by KNOWING God(not just about Him, but knowing His voice); by being grounded and stable, not given unto fads and emotionalism; and by recognizing that it's by His Grace we stand, and walking in humility.


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #9897 is a reply to message #7124 ] Fri, 04 October 2013 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 16:44

Soaking...


O.K. since I've been having so much success engaging everyone in discussions I thought I'd introduce this 'new thing' that seems to be growing throughout charismatic circles, soaking. So maybe I'm the last to hear about it(actually I've heard about it for a few years, I think researching Todd Bentley is where I first heard about it) but it appears to be gaining a larger following. I saw on the 700 Club, a woman named Marguerite Evans who is the National Coordinator for 'Soaking Prayer Centers', pitching 'soaking kits' (they're available in Spanish, fyi ) and they have over 1,000 centers located nationwide. Wow! Impressed yet?

So has anyone had any experience with soaking? ( I mean besides a long hot bath ) Is it a God thing or another one of Satans deceptions like the 'laughing anointing'; the 'head shaking, hissing anointing'; the 'falling down anointing'?

btw: I understand falling on ones face before The Lord in prayer and suplication, and I understand remaining before Him for a period of time, I also understand the 'joy' of The Lord; I'm thinking this is altogether something else...


Last night I was looking through the 'religious channels' and saw on the screen a room full of people laying on the floor with pillows and blankets, at first I thought it was showing the ministry of some group providing for the homeless and hungry. But then a man named Sid Roth came into view and started explaining how the spirit was revealing things to the people who were soaking, really weird. The show was called "It's Supernatural" and he [Sid] is a Jewish man who believes in Jesus(and soaking).

He was selling a set of CD's and books on how to soak. The book was titled "Catching The Initiatives of Heaven" by Dennis Walker. Here's a quote: "Catch the initiatives of heaven and you will unlock heavenly finances, heavenly healing, wisdom for business government and family, new levels of creativity and much more. The world needs someone who can access heaven. That someone can be you!" IT'S ONLY $25 and includes several tracks of anointed soaking music.

I guess soaking has taken a hold over the last couple of years...I'd probably try it but I'd be afraid I'd fall asleep. Not!


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #9898 is a reply to message #9897 ] Fri, 04 October 2013 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

I guess soaking has taken a hold over the last couple of years...I'd probably try it but I'd be afraid I'd fall asleep. Not!



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Re: Kooky Karismatic Fads [message #10694 is a reply to message #9898 ] Tue, 31 December 2013 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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More on Soaking...

I guess I should have known if anyone was going to be on the 'cutting-edge' Todd Bentley would be the one. I thought I'd see what he's been up to lately and he's now selling "Soaking" albums, along with traveling the world as a charismatic minister. His latest is called "Marinating- Pickling In God's Presence"...he said he thought it just might be his best.


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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Pickled might be a good word for it!!
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