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| brodav9 wrote on Fri, 29 January 2010 12:10 |
I do love but not as perfectly as he wants. I am determined to do better, by his grace and sufficiency. Isn't Jesus wonderful, I want to be a better disciple.
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Amen...Yes, Jesus is wonderful.
Humble hearts and a teachable spirit,
God can work with...He resist the proud.
May we all seek to be better disciples...
james
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6726 is a reply to message #6725] |
Sat, 30 January 2010 14:37 |
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The Lord is wonderful. We can make mistakes and his Holy Spirit helps us. It says in the word that if we confess our faults one to another we shall be healed.
If we didn't have the Holy Spirit, we would never have the courage to tell others our faults. Neither would we have inner conviction of sin and things that may be wrong with us.
We need the Holy Spirit every day to keep us out of the troubles and temptations we must face. In the Lord's prayer, we see where it says give us this day our daily bread, that seems to imply that must be a prayer daily. So the whole prayer must be daily.amen?? Therefore in the rest of the prayer it says lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.
That is a good prayer to pray daily, then we have the promise that with every temptation the Lord shall make a way of escape.
The Lord has been speaking to me
concerning my dogs. The first one was that my dog in the music studio that I have, has recently been doing her business on the floor. 2 weeks now. every day. but all of a sudden the dog in the house is starting to do it. it was not every day.
I am noticing a pattern here. why both at the same time?? Well then the Lord showed me something. I really needed to know something, you know what I mean?? It was not good. It is the devil. but two things have happened. the first is that a few months ago at work I had been given a bunch of sheets that were no good anymore. God has provided for this problem until he delivers from the situation. I use the sheets to wipe up the wet floor.
God provided before the problem ever happened. second, he spoke to me and said in my words-- both dogs are doing this, but I will turn this curse into a blessing. All my people who have bad habits and certain sins in their lives, as well as sin from time to time, are pictured here.
They continually sin, but I still love them, for you did not get rid of the dogs because you love them. I have to clean them up often as they come and ask me for forgiveness, those who don't come to me and ask forgiveness --if-- they sin, assume all is well with them. but I say to you ( David) that even as you have repented of things, I have provided grace beforehand to clean up your mess, even a double portion of grace.
remember what I said about confess your faults?? It also says and they shall be healed. The dog message is that healing. next time I will tell you what he said about my dog's tail.
Just before I got on the forum I checked my emails . My wife had received a message with dog pictures. she forwarded them to me. That is something that before I sent this post there was a dog email. It had in it things about the next message on the dog tail. next time. God bless.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6737 is a reply to message #6726] |
Sun, 31 January 2010 21:08 |
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it is truly my desire to glorify the Lord with this testimony. I am tempted not to share it because I don't want any glory. So to make it clear the purpose is to wow you and say you can have this from Jesus to. Okay??
I was in a certain Assembly. Several years ago. I say no names.
The pastor and I were real close, I had the privilege of serving the Lord together with him. That was special. I still love him like a real brother as of in a family. The assembly and my brother fell. Nuff said.
The wonderful Lord Jesus reminded me of something the brother said. He said the Lord gave him a double portion ministry. I knew that in a special way, because he and I served together in two assemblies. He had a satellite church. That means a travel ministry. Two churches is 2 that is a double portion.
Double portion, is a double blessing of everything. You will note that in my post I talk about 2 dogs and how that meant a double portion of grace and mercy. This post should be attached to that one. Every time in the past when I visited FA, I would go with the pastor and we would serve the Lord together by going to his satellite church.
Today I am excited for I didn't see it. The other day I wrote my family a love letter, and was talking about how we loved them before they were even born by giving them something we loved. We loved the bible and gave them bible names. That was before they were born. I go on to tell them Eph.1:4 how we are in the image of God, and we loved them before they were born. Then I say God loved them before the foundation of the world. It was his love that was before they were born.
I added extra for my wife. I told her that the Song of Solomon was the greatest work of Solomon. ch.2:1 My wife's name is there. She is Linda Sharon. I revealed to her her name is there in the great Song, and she is great to me. . My son wrote me back and said "Ilove you to dad." I had said in the letter also that I wrote that because sometimes we have to tell people we love them.
Today God opened my eyes to see something. He shows I gave you a son and a daughter. that is a double portion. Then he gave a sign. My wife and daughters middle name is Sharon and my son and I He is middle name David , which is my first name. We both never knew those names were a sign of a double portion.
I remember when my wife retired for the evening. As I was resting but awake I heard, Bethany is coming in the morning. Bethany Sharon was born 2:00 a.m.. That was before she was born. God loved her before she was born and was excited to tell me about it. I hope you see that to.----- God bless David. Praise God.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6749 is a reply to message #6737] |
Sun, 07 February 2010 23:42 |
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I praise God for what we had. It will be difficult to find it just now. God is in the process of restoration.
The Lord reminded me of this in a special way. My desire is to show you who have been blessed the same.
The Lord did not command me but invited me to go somewhere with him. I said yes Lord I will go. I still felt as though I was obeying him. I have no problem with that. He reminded me of a church I was invited to go to. That was 2-3 years ago. I didn't want to go because I had a idea what it was like.
I had a couple scriptures to bring with me. The Lord gave them in the morning. It seemed as though I was prepared to go by the Spirit. It all didn't happen the way I thought. The word that I had was from the Lord.
By the time I was ready to leave the house I was in the Spirit and full of the Holy Spirit. I had to look in the mirror to see if I was proper, but saw I was full of the Holy Spirit. You will always be full of the Holy Spirit but when going on a mission you will even see it. God ministered to me the whole trip there.
I was to know that what I was told before, you can't help denominations or anybody if you don't love them. I know that but I found he was reminding me because of what I was going to see. It is easy to criticize those who are in error, and forget to love our enemies. It tells us that we must minister in meekness considering ourselves.
Even when the offering plate came I have in the past gave nothing. I thought that I would be supporting them. Very important here, you must be led of the Spirit. In my case The Lord told me to give a little something. Not a quarter but a dollar bill. I should fold it up so not to see it and before they come pray. He showed me I wasn't just giving it to them. First I was giving it to Jesus. That is fulfilling the word which tells us to give. Next he showed me that I was loving my enemies. It was then I saw that it all was for the Lord.
Next as I was to just watch and listen, The message came, there was a picture on the screen that they use for people to sing along. the picture was of folded hands and the scripture was Rom. 12:1-2. as I looked down my hands were folded. I don't do that anymore like I did as a child. I didn't even know they were folded. The message was on total commitment. total surrender. I have the gift of discerning of spirits. It is not always fun to have that gift.
I am able to see and hear demons, all the time. Because it is a gift that doesn't function apart from the Holy Spirit, you have to be hearing God's voice continually. 24/7. The Lord allowed me to see what was behind the desire for commitment. It just happened to be The biggest football game of the year. Half the congregation was not there they said.
That was true, but there is more. most of the message was directed for commitment by other things said. I won't mention them but the whole idea is covetousness. Money is the whole motive for a church who is not right with God. Think of it what else could they want???
Ministry apart from glorifying Jesus is just for money and things, it is very religious, until you look at it in parallel with what the whole purpose of God is. That is the body and the head Jesus.
no offensive words come forth. The speaking well of all religions joining together. the people don't function, we heard 15 minutes from the wife of activities which were before the message on all kinds of fun activities. They have a praise teem so you don't have to. no gifts, just people who shout amen from time to time. The pulpit people control the whole thing--no 5-fold ministry just bishops, elders, pastor, woman pastors for women only meetings. Children leave to go to children church because the message is to high level for them.
I didn't enjoy them but had joy inside because the whole time the Spirit was telling me wonderful things even though I was still hearing them. I was in the Spirit and covered with the blood.
So why am I praising God. because I know God's secrets and what he is getting ready to do. I am thankful for the past. Truly something bigger than ever is on the way.-- That message is very long. There is a big difference from knowing truth, and having it. The truth is Jesus and if we have him we have it all. but now we must enjoy it.
example doesn't joy come after repentance??? Even that is for us to enjoy.
The people in the churches must first get rid of the golden cow, before they can enjoy putting Jesus first and go into restoration. God love you.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6765 is a reply to message #6749] |
Thu, 11 February 2010 19:05 |
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So do you think the reason Jesus had you go to this church was to remind you of what we once had(and to remember to always be thankful), or was it to show you what is lacking in the church system today? You mention loving your enemies, do you think maybe He was showing you how dead the church is now, so that when He brings repentance and it changes, you'll understand it was Him.
Do you feel that by just 'going' and 'giving' that you're loving them, as opposed to not going to their church means that you don't love them? btw: think He will ask you to go back next week?
Also, you said that you were filled with The Spirit before going, did the anointing remain upon you, or was the deadness of the service and lack of God's presence a quenching of The Spirit?
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6766 is a reply to message #6765] |
Fri, 12 February 2010 16:54 |
David Coleman
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I appreciate your interest. Do you remember when Moses went down with the 2 tablets, and he threw them down in anger.?? We know that Moses didn't know what was going on. He saw them worshipping a golden calf. Just to add to that anything that doesn't put God in first place is the same as a golden calf-cow.
Now I know I may be misunderstood so I will say that we're not talking about literal cows. We are talking about idolatry and other gods.
Believe you me if God didn't tell Moses to go up and receive 2 more tablets, he would have said to those people forget you. It is not possible to love your enemies. You see that example with Moses. But they are still God's people. Sometimes we see with our eyes and not listen to the Holy Spirit. Moses had to hear from God to be able to love those people. That is the basis for true love. Moses brought back the love of God top those people who he would have hated. We didn't see there that he repented, but he must have since he led them on.
Well if we are sent we wouldn't love what they are doing. We still loved the preacher in the place where you and I went. We didn't know he was doing that, but if we did we still probably would have stayed and prayed for him. I'm not sure if you know what I mean. Remember the Corinthian church?? They prayed for that brother who was fornicating. They turned him over to the devil for the destruction of the flesh ( so that he may be saved.) That is love.
The bible says we have a anointing. It is never taken away. The anointing is the Holy Spirit. The anointing I had was stirred up, so as to go with power to do a job I was sent to do. We have been taught that we are accountable for the light we have. Others who don't have the light do need light to come to them, or they will perrish. If we don't love them we won't go.
I have been back, I do say I had to know I was sent. I knew I would find darkness there. But I was the light. I am making headway with the pastor and Elder there. A certain brother I knew went to a church once, he shared with the pastor there and somehow knew the Pastor. He gave the Pastor the JDS book by Dr. Hobart E. Freeman. The Pastor read it and He was not willingly rebelious by embracing such a doctrine, but repented and thanked the brother. He then as Pastor brought the whole congregation to repentance.
The sons of God are led of the Spirit. They serve as led by the Lord. David didn't look at Goliath as a giant but as a enemy of Israel. We could apply that as we don't look at their darkness but how we may accomplish a goal. If we are led to help people we don't look at the darkness. We could never have a deliverance ministry, if we looked at the demon and not our love for them to be delivered.
Not every situation is the same. Sometimes our discernment shows us exactly whats going on there. I know when a preacher is covetous even though he never says the word money. a Spirit has such control of him that there are other signs. What he treasures is in his heart. It will come out in his conversation.
I shared with his congregation on the 2nd visit and they were knodding there head in agreement. As I started speaking I got cotton mouth and my mind couldn't peace things together. All of a sudden my mouth became miraculously moist and my mind became clear and the people were receiving my message. The pastor was even giving imput and confirming the message. They believe in the baptism by the way.
What I know about this though is I'm a man on his own. I have no backup from a body or intercessors. I stand on faith alone. So I have to believe for God's all sufficient grace. I still appreciate any who do after reading this message. I am truly grateful that I have such abundant light. Now I will take it and use it and not bury it under a bushel. I want others to see my light to glorify Jesus. Not to just have it as a badge for others to see I have it. may we all bring forth 100-fold fruit, some 30 some 60.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6767 is a reply to message #6766] |
Fri, 12 February 2010 18:05 |
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"I'm not sure if you know what I mean"
I know what you mean... and you're right about loving him, in fact I still have a place for him in my heart, I received a lot of sound teaching through him over the years.
When you started writing about Moses and the golden calf, I thought there for a minute that you were going to say that they had a decorated tree in the church and you destroyed it. I'm not being funny, it happened to me and I really wrestled with whether or not I should go by the church on Saturday night and throw it all out...I didn't, but I wanted to.
Keep us updated as you continue to minister the truth to them, and one other thing...don't assume that you're on your own without support from your brethren, I can tell you that God has intercessors scattered in different locations, and that if He has sent you there, He will have people praying concerning the situation.
Oh! And I praise God for....snow in Alabama...it's beautiful.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6768 is a reply to message #6766] |
Fri, 12 February 2010 21:48 |
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Praise the Lord Brother,
Mark 16:15 And he(Jesus) said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Jesus said: Go into all the World and if the the dead church is still in the World,
I guess we need to go there and Preach the Gospel so some might be Saved!
Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, (Even in the synagogues ?)
the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Seems to me that the term, Every Where........... Means.......... Every Where !
Blessings
Ron
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6769 is a reply to message #6768] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 01:14 |
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Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, (Even in the
synagogues ?)
Seems to me that the term, Every Where........... Means.......... Every Where !
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Yes, I think you are right, the fields are ripe to harvest. Our vision needs to be enlarged!
Speaking of the need to enlarge our vision, I found a guy on the internet that has enlarged his vision so much that it includes "everybody".
That's right, everyone is going to hell unless they join the true church:
http://www.atruechurch.info/home.html
And we thought we were the only ones... tsk, tsk, tsk.
This guy has taken elitism to a whole new level. We all should be ashamed.
I'm packing my suitcase and heading home... I can't compete with this guy!
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6772 is a reply to message #6769] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 15:07 |
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Very interesting website. He believes (surprise surprise) in polygamy. I don't know what he practices. But that is what he believes.
I was thinking as I looked at his site that if he has a church of only 50 people and knows of no other . . . what is he going to do with the teaching of a 144,000.
It reminds me of the old joke. Somebody died and went to heaven and an angel was showing them around and they came to a group of people praising and singing. Very sedate and restrained but genuine and happy. Everyone in a shirt and tie. That's the Prespeterians he said. Saw another group really belting it out happy and joyful but . . . hands clearly at their sides. The Baptist there he was informed. Walking along another group came into view. Dancing praising singing really letting loose. Jesus was clearly the focus (although they weren't sure of much else) The charismatics obviously. A little further they came to a compund with "very" high walls. Very happy singing interspersed with shouts of praise. The angel said; "That's the Darwin Fish group they think they're the only ones in here."
[Updated on: Sat, 13 February 2010 15:18]
Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.”
G.K. Chesterton
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6774 is a reply to message #6773] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 17:28 |
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That's one way to ensure that the sisters will read it...(just advise them not to) Just kidding, ladies.
Wow! I had found an article written by Harry Bethel on nonresistance a while back that was very scriptural, I didn't know he had all these other views. Actually, if ya go down the list, quite a few are Biblicaly sound, but he has been lead astray in some areas...obviously.
Just more reason to be dilligent and guard against 'men beguiling you with enticing words'. Col.2:4
The enemy uses partial truths to deceive, people tend to let down their guard and be less discerning when they become comfortable with someone, thinking that sense one thing they say is right, then everything must be right. Ya see it all the time with a lot of the TV evangelist/preachers, they have truths they proclaim, but mixed in is false teachings and errors.
This is not a time to be spiritually lax, Satan is working overtime to kill and destroy Christians, as he knows his time is drawing to an end.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6775 is a reply to message #6774] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 18:15 |
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( I dont advise the sisters to do so) !!!!?????
I knew it was a trick ! Ya gotta watch those old gray heads.
# 2 on his list under pastor phenomenon
A God-sent pastor would not teach that the Atonement of Christ included physical healing. Although God sometimes miraculously heals, it is not part of the Atonement.
Opps................Too Late...........Looks like we are all in trouble now !
Ron
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6776 is a reply to message #6774] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 18:53 |
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I'm not sure we are seeing it from the same perspective...
Forget for a moment that these guys have a measure of scriptural error in their teaching, that isn't a rare thing. In the link I gave (Fish) there wasn't a whole lot of outright error presented, in fact he was pretty much right on most of the stuff I read, the question is not whether or not there is an element of error presented, there always is, at least in my experience, but the question I would like to ask is this: What is wrong with this guy? (Again, forget the few areas of doctrinal disagreement... I'm not saying that that isn't important, but just for the sake of this discussion --forget it!)
I want to find out if anyone thinks that this person is wrong in anything other than a few doctrinal issues.
The guy (Fish) is obviously committed to what he believes. He is committed to the Word of God. He no doubt would change his position, or his views, if it could be shown that they were unscriptural. So what makes him wrong? What makes him different from us?
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6777 is a reply to message #6776] |
Sat, 13 February 2010 20:09 |
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| moulder wrote on Sat, 13 February 2010 12:53 |
I'm not sure we are seeing it from the same perspective...
(Again, forget the few areas of doctrinal disagreement... I'm not saying that that isn't important, but just for the sake of this discussion --forget it!)
I want to find out if anyone thinks that this person is wrong in anything other than a few doctrinal issues.
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Maybe we aren't seeing it from the same perspective...but Hey, for the sake of this discussion I'll try to ignore his position on vices...just because he likes to take a little snort while firing up a stogie at the casino, has a sexual hangup and wouldn't mind having a few slaves; he is against xmas, that's a plus, but wait, he doesn't use the KJV only bible. OK, so we're ignoring those issues(don't want to come across as legalistic), what is the difference between Mr. Darwin Fish and you or I?
Other than doctrinal issues? Yeah, I think this person is defending his desire to not crucify the flesh and justifying carnal behavior.
btw: B-I-N-G-O, Now there's an innocent little game, the bible doesn't mention it...sure is causing a commotion in Alabama.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6779 is a reply to message #6778] |
Sun, 14 February 2010 01:16 |
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William,
(Ref the True Church)
I am sad that we didn’t make his list of villains.
I want people to talk about me, I want them to whisper about what I
Believe and how I live, I want to be notorious in a good way.
Remember how it was in the good old days when we were basking
in the freshness of our New Birth and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
We would walk into a store or a restaurant and people would go silent
and start whispering………(Those people are Barners, cult members,
they go to that warehouse over there in the corn field. They speak
in tongues, they are always Praising the Lord and seem to be happy all the time.
They believe they can lay hands on the sick and heal them. I saw
one of them laying hands on his car one day when it wouldn’t start.
Well, did it start ? Yes it did…….wow ! Strange people !
Oh ! What about those women , Always wearing long dresses and those
little place mats on there heads.
My God ! Don’t they believe in birth control either ? Look at all those children !)
Yes I want to be the center of controversy when it comes Jesus and His
Everlasting Word.
Oh Lord ,bring that smoldering flax back to a raging fire as it was in the
Days of our first Love !
Ron
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Sun, 14 February 2010 01:56 |
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| JWBTI wrote on Sat, 13 February 2010 19:16 |
Remember how it was in the good old days when we were basking
in the freshness of our New Birth and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
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One of my most favorite passages to go to when I need that remembrance is Ps 51:12. Restore unto me the JOY of thy salvation. Or as it says in the Hebrew "Take me back to the cheerfulness, specifically gladness,joy,mirth, rejoycing of thy
liberty,deliverance,prosperity,safety, salvation.
Many times in the old testament the Lord cautioned Isreal to remember what I have done for you. I believe we New Testament people all to soon forget what The Lord has done for us as well.
Lord I repent and thank you for my salvation.
Dick
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| Re: I praise God for-- [message #6781 is a reply to message #6778] |
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| grandom wrote on Sat, 13 February 2010 15:42 |
| moulder wrote on Sat, 13 February 2010 12:53 |
(Again, forget the few areas of doctrinal disagreement...
The guy (Fish) is obviously committed to what he believes.
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Your being facetious, Right William?
I mean we have a few areas of doctrinal disagreements with JW`s and they are obviously committed to what they believe.
How about the Mormans, Catholics, Oneness dotrine churches.We have a few areas of doctrinal disagreement with them as well, and they are obviously commited to what they believe.
Aren`t doctrinal disagreements the escense of what separates a true disciple of Christ and one who is deceived?
Look how many don`t believe that Jesus is the eternal son of God and is God.
I have always believed that if a person does not have the correct view of the Trinity then alltheir theology is in question.
I gotta agree with James and his post.
Well for what it`s worth thats my two cents.
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Why don't you tell me what you really believe? Stop beating around the bush! <grin>
No, I'm not being facetious, but I'll have to let it go at that until I've got more time...
Summary:
No one has reached doctrinal equality. You don't believe exactly the same as I do, and I don't believe exactly the same as you do, yet we get along... at least I get along with you.
James, I didn't read everything about the guy, there was a ton of stuff, but the things I did read, I agreed with, but because I didn't read everything I asked that you forget the doctrinal stuff---that is why I said forget the doctrinal stuff. (I made it CLEAR that the doctrinal stuff is IMPORTANT, did I not?)
Having said that James, we too have doctrinal differences, yet I do not in any way consider you "deceived" nor do I think you are destined for hell because you don't see things my way. Nor would I use any of the other adjectives that the Fish guy calls those who do not agree with him.
I can say the same thing for Ron, Hardbones, Sage, etc., etc., which is why I asked the initial question.
If all of you can find enough common ground to consider yourselves capable of fellow-shipping with each other and with me, by laying aside our doctrinal differences, why is it that this guy cannot do the same?
If none of us has achieved "doctrinal equality" with each other, why are we able to fellowship with each other?
Or maybe I'm kidding myself, maybe we all are still so standoffish that we are not willing to give of ourselves to each other. (I use "we" only editorially... I personally can get along with all of you despite the fact that we hold different opinions about things... why? Because I know that you love Jesus and His Word, as much as I do).
My point about the Fish guy was this-He apparently had the Word of God as his standard of behavior. (I didn't read or get the impression that he was living for the flesh, James.) Yet having the Word as his standard he could not find any thing (not one good thing) to say about any one or any one who has ever ministered the gospel. Isn't something wrong with that picture?
If you don't think so you may as well put out a list of your own doctrinal beliefs (now don't be shy, include everything) and call it the really-true-church, and be against every one else. At least respect the guy for standing up for his beliefs!
Dick, you said: "Aren`t doctrinal disagreements the essence of what separates a true disciple of Christ and one who is deceived?"
Doctrinal disagreements (which I asked to be left out of the picture for the above stated reasons) do not equate to true and false disciples. If that is the case you have a bunch of problems in Acts 15. Most of these disagreements were honest disagreements, and even after James made the decision that the Jerusalem Church adopted, Paul didn't adopt the same standards as James listed. Would you not consider both to have been "true disciples of Christ"?
James considers lighting up a stogie a sin, which I suppose he considers this to be a doctrinal issue, since he brought it up as one of the things that I suggested we forget momentarily... I don't. He bases his viewpoint on the Bible, I base my viewpoint on the Bible. So using your standard, who is the "true disciple" here?
If I hold faithfully to my belief and he holds faithfully to his belief, we can each exclude the other from being true disciples of Christ -- WHICH IS WHAT FISH DOES!
If you consider that to be facetious, I don't, I think it is sad.
Blessings,
William
[Updated on: Sun, 14 February 2010 03:21]
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Sun, 14 February 2010 03:41 |
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I pretty much have to agree with moulder here. What really stuck out to me was his belief that anyone "off" in any way from the bible is a deceiver. And it was his take on the bible that was the standard to be met. There was absolutely no give there. He really reminded me of someone over on Factnet. (can't remember his name)
I have done a fair bit of reading in church history and some of the groups down through history had some very strange theology. Yet on the core issue of Jesus they were right on. I would be more or less in agreement with Grandom that if you're off on the Godhead then you're off.
I didn't read everything on Fishs site but I think he believes if you don't agree with the biblical (his take) teaching on polygamy you can't be saved. That is what would differentiate him from all of us.
The funny thing is that he and his group in spite of his weird opinions will probably enter in.
Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.”
G.K. Chesterton
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Sun, 14 February 2010 13:09 |
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| james wrote on Sat, 13 February 2010 14:09 |
Maybe we aren't seeing it from the same perspective...but Hey, for the sake of this discussion I'll try to ignore his position on vices...just because he likes to take a little snort while firing up a stogie at the casino, has a sexual hangup and wouldn't mind having a few slaves; he is against xmas, that's a plus, but wait, he doesn't use the KJV only bible. OK, so we're ignoring those issues(don't want to come across as legalistic), what is the difference between Mr. Darwin Fish and you or I?
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I think I understand what you're pointing out William, and I've been guilty of that mindset before; but what I was trying to say in my post was that Mr. Fish had a list of his beliefs/position/convictions as to what he believed the bible has to say(or not say) about the things he listed. Among them was, tobacco, alcohol, gambling, slavery, masturbation, christmas, and a few others.
Since you said forget the doctrinal point,(and in my mind, these don't all fall under doctrine) so in trying to show a difference between him and us/me/we, it seems to ME that he was making excuses for someone(maybe not even himself) to partake in these 'vices' or habits...or what ever one might call them, just because the bible didn't specifically mention them by name. So I was, in a light hearted manner, pointing it out.
Do I think a person will go to hell if they smoke, drink, gamble, celebrate christmas, not use the KJV Bible, have slaves, or any of the others things on his list? Like Dick said, I can only account for my own actions...I don't believe God wants me doing those things. btw: I'm not perfect(as if I needed to clarify that  ) apart from owning slaves(and some former employees might have a different opinion  ) I've partook of most of these things, at one time or another in my life. But what does the scriptures say over and over? "But such WERE ye..." Were, as in past tense, as in put off the old man, as in 'seeking' to be holy as HE is Holy.
I'd imagine that your point is, the intolerance, or unwillingness to be long suffering with others.(especially since he has just recently came to this 'light', he mentions being under deception for years) That is something we should all dilligently guard against...remembering that, we're instructed to 'love' one another, along with having 'faith'. (and I'm not avocating tolerating heresy or doctrinal errors, nor do I think you are, William)
And just as we misunderstand each other, from time to time, we still should seek to give each other the benefit of the doubt. Some of us use different methods to get a point across, I believe William has a way of wording things that causes one to reflect and 'think' about what he saying. Sometimes that's good(when we can 'figure'it out) others sometimes write in a more direct way(with less finesse),yet we all are passionate about what we believe.
I want to say that, though my love hasn't yet been perfected, as best I understand love(and what better understanding of love is there than what Jesus did for us in laying down of His life for us...so ought we to lay down our lives for the brethren) I desire to have that same love for each and every member of the Body of Christ.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Sun, 14 February 2010 13:27 |
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William wrote:
(The guy (Fish) is obviously committed to what he believes. He is committed to the Word of God. He no doubt would change his position, or his views, if it could be shown that they were unscriptural. So what makes him wrong? What makes him different from us?)
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How are theses guys different from us ?
They both posted on their web sites every thing they believe and set their standards for salvation and fellowship.
I have posted many things in my heart ref the same and set forth my own standards at times also.
Then I became legalistic, that is ......if ya don't do it my way, it's wrong ! The Pharisee attitude.
It appears to me what these guys are saying, If you don't met their posted standards you can't fellowship with them cause you are lost !
I’ve done the same in the past, please forgive me Lord !
Ron
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| JWBTI wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 07:27 |
William wrote:
(The guy (Fish) is obviously committed to what he believes. He is committed to the Word of God. He no doubt would change his position, or his views, if it could be shown that they were unscriptural. So what makes him wrong? What makes him different from us?)
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How are theses guys different from us ?
They both posted on their web sites every thing they believe and set their standards for salvation and fellowship.
I have posted many things in my heart ref the same and set forth my own standards at times also.
Then I became legalistic, that is ......if ya don't do it my way, it's wrong ! The Pharisee attitude.
It appears to me what these guys are saying, If you don't met their posted standards you can't fellowship with them cause you are lost !
I’ve done the same in the past, please forgive me Lord !
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Exactly!
To speak plainly... (Lazarus is dead) I was Fish 20 years ago, and I still have to battle with that attitude. That is what I meant about laying aside his interpretation of scripture (or doctrine) for a moment to reflect on what makes him different from us. To me there is a remarkable similarity in his overall outlook and my own. I had a scripture for every situation and if you didn't accept it --you were just not serious about God. I was a zealous pharisee... I could identify with the group of people who took the woman caught in adultery, demanding she be stoned, all the while quoting the Word of God... that was me... all zeal and no mercy!
Grandom, concerning being facetious... I try to be more serious with you. You inspire me, and all of us, toward a more serious demeanor... that is a good thing. As you know, I haven't been able to completely swear-off the ironic comeback yet, but there is still hope... keep praying.
James, your explanation was good, although I still don't know how anyone can get hung up on thinking that smoking a nice cigar is sin, anymore than eating a great big rib-eye steak is sin. It is a pleasure. It isn't necessary. Like a nice cup of coffee or hot chocolate, or even "fine" wine at the wedding feast in Cana, these things are not necessary for the body to function. In reality we all could live on red beans and rice three times a day for the rest of our lives if necessity and survival were the only goals.
I'm going to shock you here with this statement: Pleasures in life are not always SIN. <gasp>
Time spent with my wife for pleasure only--IS NOT SIN. Eating the cherry on top of a banana split--IS NOT SIN. By the same token, smoking a cigar--IS NOT SIN.
If you want to associate those things with sin, you first must add an ingredient or two... like immoderation, addiction, etc.. These things become sin only when they begin to rule us... not before.
Hardbones, you made the statement: "The funny thing is that he and his group in spite of his weird opinions will probably enter in. "
My first reaction to that was to acknowledge that you are right. How could anyone who held fast to the word of God (even if it was sometimes misapplied) and put it on such a pedestal, not be finally rewarded with the eternal prize? Well, after thinking about it I had to change my mind. If we hold fast to all of our doctrine and don't apply love (Fish never does) how can we say that the love of God dwells within us? I know that my answer to that question twenty years ago would have been--hey, I'm telling them the TRUTH... THAT IS LOVE. Not now.
I see in that answer the same attitude as those who gathered together for a stoning to see... and it isn't the attitude of the one who stooped down and wrote on the ground. Yes, it was an attitude that we once held, but we only need to look around at the barren, bleak, and dead landscape to see that this attitude wasn't the one Jesus wanted for us. Maybe this is the reason why it is so rare to find any in our circles who has regular fellowship with other Christians (Ron, did I ever tell you how blessed you are to be an exception to this "rule"?)
Anyway, I haven't taken *any* offense to *any* thing that has been said, and I hope you all haven't been offended by my words.
Blessings,
William
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Sun, 14 February 2010 21:31 |
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| moulder wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 13:44 |
I haven't been able to completely swear-off the ironic comeback yet, but there is still hope... keep praying.
James, your explanation was good, although I still don't know how anyone can get hung up on thinking that smoking a nice cigar is sin, anymore than eating a great big rib-eye steak is sin. It is a pleasure. It isn't necessary. Like a nice cup of coffee or hot chocolate, or even "fine" wine at the wedding feast in Cana, these things are not necessary for the body to function. In reality we all could live on red beans and rice three times a day for the rest of our lives if necessity and survival were the only goals.
Anyway, I haven't taken *any* offense to *any* thing that has been said, and I hope you all haven't been offended by my words.
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I'm gonna resist a 'comeback', although I can think of a couple of pretty good ones...
And hey, while I don't smoke I don't think I'm hung up on it, but given the choice (and I do have that choice, thank God) I'll have the steak.(unless I can find some good Cajun red beans and rice with some hot sausage <grin>)
And no, your words haven't ever offended me.
BUT...........NO! I just said I was going to resist those thoughts... 
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Mon, 15 February 2010 03:10 |
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Hardbones, you made the statement: "The funny thing is that he and his group in spite of his weird opinions will probably enter in. "
My first reaction to that was to acknowledge that you are right. How could anyone who held fast to the word of God (even if it was sometimes misapplied) and put it on such a pedestal, not be finally rewarded with the eternal prize? Well, after thinking about it I had to change my mind. If we hold fast to all of our doctrine and don't apply love (Fish never does) how can we say that the love of God dwells within us? I know that my answer to that question twenty years ago would have been--hey, I'm telling them the TRUTH... THAT IS LOVE. Not now.
A good answer. Another good reply to what I said would be that we will be judged by the same standard we use to judge others.
My point was this. We can miss it on most of our doctrine. We can have legalistic phariseeistic attitudes. We can have weird beliefs. We can fight tooth and nail and keep our two edged sword honed and sharp. I'd even go out on a bit of a limb here and say (looks around nervously) you can be off "to some extant" on the atonement & the doctrine of the Godhead.
All that said providing there was a initially a genuine faith placed in the real Jesus and a keeping of that faith. Like all of us who comment here do. There is a line you can't cross obviously. To me that is somewhere around the doctrine of the atonement/Godhead. Believing in the JDS Jesus doesn't get you saved either. My original point though was that there have been some xian groups down through history that had some strange beliefs and did some evil things (Calvin) yet stayed saved. I'm not saying just believe in Jesus and do what you want. I'm saying believe in Jesus and walk your life out sincerely. From my human standpoint and not having had a serious look at him it looks to me like he is doing that. Even if he is wrong on some serious issues.
Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.”
G.K. Chesterton
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Fri, 05 March 2010 21:31 |
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Recently the Lord gave a wonderful experience, not had before. May it be a encouragement to all. While praying recently, as standing there, A anointing came about. It was about the scriptures saying, when we pray in the Spirit sometimes we will pray mysteries. 1 Cor.14:2.
You could tell that you were speaking in tongues but that your mouth was anointed. It brought forth with it a little travail. What was wonderful is that also with it came the interpretation.
As while speaking it came out in my lanquage.
It was about Adam and Eve. When God opened Adams side he brought forth Eve. The 2nd Adam Jesus also has his bride who has come forth from him.
So far revealed in other ways-- a virgin is a woman who has not bare children. The Hebrew concept of marriage, is you pick a bride and are concidered married before wedding. she must remain pure until marriage. it is called betrothal.
That is why we are betrothed to Christ as virgins. we keep oil , Holy Spirit in our vessels lamps. In the book of revelations, we have the marriage feast. All God's bride will be there. God's poligamy is a spiritual one. He is a king and has a great concubine of spiritual women, his bride-plural.
Another thing revealed is God could create many Eves if he wanted to. He made one to show mankind they should have one. Also God wants us to see that he is concerned about his bride and will not tolerate a spirit of whoredoms. God is jealous for his bride. she is the apple of his eye.
If you study anything that relates to bride and bridegroom you will see a tremendous love for you and how God feels is more intense than a human relationship. He also reveals secrets through intimate fellowship with those who come and spend time with him. All pure love relationship is nothing compared to relationship and fellowship with God.
If you ever get started you will be like a fellow who just met that wonderful girl. you can't think about anything else.
It will be greater than that though. Col. says set your affections on things above. You talk about affection, God will leave you walking around dizzy. In a good way of course. He literally has worn me out, and also 3 writing pens. I'm ready to do it again. Halleluia.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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Fri, 12 March 2010 20:33 |
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There are times of refreshing from the Lord. It is like a man who comes home to his wife. She didn't ask for anything but he comes home one evening and surprises her.
God is the same way. He shows up unexpectedly. You never know what he is going to bring up the next time he is ready to do something. The thing is he has reason to do that. He is pleased with his bride. She is perfect in his sight, he overlooks her faults.
You see he gave her a big gift that not one of the others will ever match-- he gave her his life. Now all because of him she just keeps getting gifts out of his riches.
The power of that love drives away all demons. It is the music of a harp without strings. God is able to deliver you from all this world's evil. Have you ever heard of singing in the Spirit. Don't forget to believe for the interpretation. It is possible to do it almost everyday.
yesterday the Lord had revealed some things about the promises of God. 2Pet.1:19 see where it says a sure word of prophesy. the word sure in the grk.bebaios means stable,fast firm.
My daughter called and said there was a fellow she knew running a ad. When calling him he lied and said there was no such ad.
She had seen it herself. Thinking about it was just drop it. The words he said were ringing in the ear. The Lord reminded and showed , remember how he spoke to you to convince you that he didn't run the ad. Yes. He gave a double assurance. he said sure thing. Then it was clear-- The Lord was comforting by revealing the 2 Pet. 1:19 we have a sure word of prophesy. God purposely put the word sure in there. That is a operation of the armour of God.
All of God's promises are in that sure word. They are also yes and amen. God has always been faithful to his promises in the past. The revelation he is showing is a complicated one to reveal right now, but God is showing more now than he has before. There are more things he is even revealing about the faith message. We who teach by the Holy Spirit have to know more in order to teach without only repetition. That is a good thing but we find those who minister sometimes are not up to where they ought to be and aren't always hearing the Holy Spirit.
We all can preach, but not all are on their knees. We all need to know that the running with the horses has begun and it is a greater battle for the Lord to fight on our behalf. Said it that way because we cannot fight this enemy and win. It takes God in us to fight for us. We cannot even see our enemy, things like tongues the superweapon takes care of that.
Shall be the first one to confess that sometimes in the past have spoke in tongues but heart not in it as a serious operation of the Spirit. Travail will get rid of that problem quarantee it. It is difficult to pull out of a passive position. Beautiful Ps. 138:7-8 The Lord is doing the author and finisher thing and revives us and delivers out of trouble.
trouble also can include passive heaviness. Stir up the gift within you, he is great and mighty. The only pat on my back when off coarse is below the belt--get it?? God bless ye soldiers of the cross. May the Holy Spirit say to you my beloved son in whom I am well pleased in Jesus name.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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Fri, 09 April 2010 14:52 |
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Want to praise God with testimony from last night.
Two wonderful things God did. What a anointing of his presence as going to minister. About five minutes before playing the drums the peddle was squeaking so loud it pierced your ears. Didn't want to set it aside. The Spirit of the Lord sent to go down by the rooms. In the room was a man that likes to fellowship. He just happened to have a needle oiler. He keeps it hidden in his cabinet.
The Lord knew where it was. It worked perfect.
There was a great response to the music and preaching.
On the way home while getting gas, a wasp stung in the hand, right on the thumb. It began to swell. the sting though felt, didn't hurt in which you ussually shout ouch.
After prayer immediately not only did all the stinging go but the swollen was gone it looked like it never happened.
All glory to Jesus who blessed abundantly.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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Tue, 13 April 2010 17:23 |
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Praise Jesus for the benefits He daily provides for us, both spiritual as well as physical. May we never get to a place where we take them for granted or fail to rejoice when we hear the testimonies of our brethren.
The Word says that if all the works of Jesus were recorded, then they couldn't all be contained in a book....I'd imagine that if we listed every blessing or answer to prayer we have received through the years, we could fill up some books.(not in any way said in pride, but from a thankful humble heart, PTL)
May those who have grown skeptical concerning Jesus still working supernaturally in the lives of believers be encouraged to believe God's promises for themselves.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Mon, 19 April 2010 15:33 |
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Made the devil angry with the testimony was writing. So now have to re-write it.
It was a encouragement to serve the Lord. After paying $209.00 to have brakes fixed on rear axle. While serving the Lord in a town away from home, the sign said will put brake pads on if you bring them. For $27.50. Only was in that town to serve the Lord. with premium pads it cost $75.00. This was for the front axle, which was a few months after the other.
Also in the town while shopping the Lord revealed to ask for the 3 hangers needed to hang pictures with. They were pictures used to minister with. they had clips on them.
God is faithful to us when serving him.
My wife received 24 roses. The Lord prepared a few days before with something to tell her. That was, God made the flowers just for the purpose of loving us and showing his beautiful nature. that is the purpose for them.
What was not in the other testimony post which got lost, was a additional testimony of how the Lord flooded me with a treemendous group of edifying gospel songs to add to the gospel concert ministry. Some of the others singing already are producing tremendous results. God bless.
[Updated on: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:07]
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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Thu, 17 June 2010 14:25 |
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The Lord is so faithful. He does so many things for us. In reply to fasting two doors have opened for ministry. That is a double portion.
due to illness my mother in law has been staying with us at nights. The music equipment used for worship is in the house. The Lord dropped in heart that there was enough equipment to also set up a whole worship base in the studio.
to simplify that, there are 2 P.A. systems, 3 guitars, and 2 places to worship. When wanting to worship without indoor disturbance there is a secondary place to go. the outdoor place also has drums and they are not heard in the house.
Monday coming it's on the road again to minister to a new group of people. They are excited and ready. They need our prayers that the word will have free course to their hearts.
My grand daughter confirmed the special faith message again yesterday. it was a message by the Holy Spirit about faith.
It is amazing to have the Lord preach to you a whole sermon.
You didn't know a word of it and stand there listening as he tells it
this is it---- a boy asked his mom for a cookie. She was at the other end of the house. She said yes, but he has to go get it. at the same time his sister walks in the room and he tells her . She says no she didn't. The boy must decide to go by his mother's word and go get the cookie. then just like a parable the Lord interprets. the Mother represents God saying yes. the sister reprtesents the devil. the boy is all believers. he just has to act his faith and stand on his Mother's (God's word).
the reason for this was top show how simple God wants it to be. We are given exceedingly great and precious promises. they are yesa and amen. Ps. 112:7 I shall not be afraid of evil tidings--- that could include the devil's no. cast down all vain imaginations and everything that exalts itself against the knowledge ( word) of God. God bless.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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Thu, 17 June 2010 14:36 |
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Is God tangible???
1. the bible when held in my hand was written because it came out of the very mouth of almighty God.
2. The Holy Spirit who lives inside of me touches every word of God that comes out of my mouth.
3. every time a manifestation to faith in prayer comes forth. it is just like God handing it to me. that would include ,physical, mental, material, and spiritual blessings.
so yes God can be touched. in Heb. 4:15 will add that we can touch God. that is with the feelings----of our infirmities.
he is our great high priest and was tempted in every way. but he didn't give into sin. thanks be to Jesus who is so much stronger than we are and helps our weakness by giving strength and also forgiveness.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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Bro. Dave wrote:
Is God tangible?
I enjoyed your answer, Bro. Dave.
There are errors flying around about this subject. The buzz words are quantum physics. They use this subject to try and explain the hand of God concerning manifestations. The error is that they don't pray in faith to the God of Abraham, and other areas as well.
One author has a very popular booklet. Her last name is Capps. I read it, and could not quite put my finger on why I was uncomfortable with her ideas. After all, the leading charismatic teachers just love her teachings....
I just knew that Dr. Freeman would have had to have covered it somewhere. Sure enough, in Every Wind of Doctrine, it is covered under Conceptology.
This is the bases for the heresy Oprah allowed on her show some time ago. The Seat of the Soul, and others take their spin offs from these concepts. It has all the buzz words of the faith walk. Some really go off the deep-end into New Age, etc.
Again, praise Him for good teaching.
Any comments on quantum physics and faith? Do we need a new thread if so?
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Shalom,
GWB
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Wed, 07 July 2010 23:00 |
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Have been thinking about the good old days. As this is written desire that it would kindle a fire in those of the same mind. What a priviledge to have been brought under the pure whole council of the word, by faithful ministry.
For me it started when a prophet came into our non-denominational church. He would go around to members and fellowship. The Holy Spirit led him to those he would share with. He gave me Dr. Hobart freeman's books and let hear some tapes.
He was terrific at exposing error and showing that some things we held to were not scriptural. That began the process of learning to discern what was truth concerning God's word.
He especially spoke of the faith message. Having faith is what you may have but the faith message shows you how it works. Consider this and you will know that the faith message is made up of principles. A. you have to know God will answer your prayers and that it is his will. That's why Num. 23:19 is there in the bible. B. certainly you have to ask. C. if you ask you must have a reason to ask, so you say the promise in the word of God applies in that situation. Your not telling God to do something wrongly if he tells you to ask. D. like the one which tells you if you bring a umbrella you can't be expecting God to hold back the rain. you have to act like you believe something.
E. Here's the hard part. The reason why is because the devil will try to convince you to not believe in the promise. You have to hold fast to the promise till it comes to your hand.
So many people are not able to have answered prayers, they walk around saying what will be will be.
For all those who have had a hard time, there is hope. Jesus reached out his hand to Peter while he was walking on the water. God is the author and the finisher of our faith, he trains as a gentleman. to be continued.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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