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Re: Bulletin Board [message #7724 is a reply to message #7702 ] Fri, 25 March 2011 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of The Almighty."

Psalms 91:1

Today I heard a song (Secret Place) and thought the lyrics spoke truth, the songwriter is Clint Brown. I am not promoting Clint Brown (he is the man who Benny Hinn turned over his Orlando, Florida church(FaithWorld) to when he (Hinn) relocated to Texas.)



I could parade my success
And keep the hurt inside
But I've got to tell somebody
The part of me I hide
And since You are my Father
Where else could I go
There's no use in hiding
What You already know

There are no secrets in the secret place
I've been told in Your presence
I don't have to be ashamed
So with trembling hands I'll remove
The mask that's on my face
There are no secrets in the secret place



"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7733 is a reply to message #7724 ] Wed, 30 March 2011 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Having eyes, see ye not?"


Spiritual blindness is far more serious than physical blindness;

and to be unable to see and discern truth from error,

is a handicap many professing christians don't even know they have.

If God has opened your eyes and allowed you to 'SEE', you are blessed above measure.



Real eyes... Realize... Real Lies


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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APRIL FOOLS DAY ?

1 Cor10:4 We are fools for Christs sake.

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Re: Bulletin Board [message #7741 is a reply to message #7734 ] Tue, 05 April 2011 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anonymous quote:

"Sin will take you farther than you wanted to go,

keep you longer than you wanted to stay,

and cost you more than you wanted to pay."


SIN, when left unchecked (repented of/ turned from) will result in DEATH.

James 1:14-15 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7763 is a reply to message #7741 ] Wed, 20 April 2011 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What's your Idol?...


The Oxford American Dictionary defines idol as:

idol

1.image of a diety, ect.,as an object of worship.
2.the object of excessive or supreme adulation (movie idol).

also to 'idolize' means to venerate or love excessively, or to make an idol.

I believe scripture reveals to us that ANYTHING that comes between a man/woman and their relationship with God is an idol. I also believe that the number one idol in most peoples lives is themselves...SELF, that is why the message of The Cross Jesus taught is of utmost importance. We can't walk in obedience(which is walking in The Spirit) when our flesh is in charge, the flesh wars against the things of God and wants to reign supreme. Most freely and willingly yeild to the flesh, allowing it to rule their lives, seeking pleasure and instant gratification, concerned with themselves first and formost, mankind has broken the first commandment by placing themselves before obedience unto God. btw: If you don't think the flesh has at the least, strong influence in your/our ability to obey God's Word? Just determine to set aside a few days to seek God ALONE, time in FASTING, STUDY of His Word, INTERCESSION...this will reveal much as to where a person is in their walk with The Lord and just how dead their flesh really is.

Can Christians have idols? Can we be deceived into believing we're being obedient when we're not? Can husband/wife/children/family members be idols in our lives? Can job/career/money stand between a person and their relationship with God? Can satisfying our flesh be idolatry? I Corinthians 10:7 "Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play." v.14 "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry."


"The dearest idol I have known,

What ever that idol may be;

Help me Lord, to tear it from Thy throne,

That I may worship only Thee."

[Updated on: Sun, 24 April 2011 10:59]


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7791 is a reply to message #7763 ] Thu, 28 April 2011 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Testimony...Psalms 91...


V5 "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor the arrow that flieth by day;"

V6 "Nor the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor the DESTRUCTION that wasteth at noonday."

V7 "A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; BUT it shall not come nigh thee."


Many people are dead(at least 340), many injured, and many more their lives destroyed by tornadoes this morning throughout the south. Here in Alabama at least 236 are confirmed dead, cities are wiped out, homes are gone, businesses destroyed, around 475,000 people are without electricity and some water systems are contaminated. It is the worst outbreak of tornadoes in 85 years(in Alabama alone there were over 60 confirmed tornadoes yesterday) and the second worse tornado death toll in recorded U.S. history. More people died yesterday here than in the last 10 years combined due to storms/tornadoes.

I don't WANT to witness 'a thousand fall at my side' nor do I want to see the 'destruction that wasteth at noonday'...I don't want to believe that all killed and injured and suffered loss of all their earthly goods are wicked and receiving their reward. Surely there are Godly people who are taken in times of destruction. Are they trusting God? Do they believe His promises? I have no way of knowing, but I know I'm no more deserving of His mercy and protection than they. ANY and ALL of my rightousness is as filthy rags before our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So while I don't have all the answers, I believe God is altogether righteous, sovereign, and justified in whatever He does or allows to happen to people. I DO offer Him praise and thanksgiving for ALL His ways are perfect and ALL His promises yea and amen.

I believe that Psalms 91 is a promise given to ANY believer who will believe it and apply it to daily life. I believe it is the ultimate 'ASSURANCE' policy, versus 'Insurance' policies offered by man that can't prevent ANYTHING from happening, only offer to pay monetary compensation AFTER the fact. Jesus promises to protect believers from evil things happening...V11 "For He shall give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee in ALL thy ways."

I am gratiful for these great and precious promies(and the hundreds more throughout God's Word), and I don't want to EVER get to the place where I take ANYTHING from God for granted. So today, I give Him thanks and declare unto anyone who will listen...Have faith in God, trust Him, obey Him, and be quick to give Him thanks and praise.

There is no better place to be than in the secret place of The Most High and under the shadow of The Almighty...may we learn to DWELL there continually...Amen.


[Updated on: Mon, 02 May 2011 15:06]


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7792 is a reply to message #7791 ] Thu, 28 April 2011 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks James.

Many storms around my area as well, Kentuckiana. A lot of flooding. I too believed the promises again and again this week. I did say to Him, "I take nothing for granted" and kept claiming when I heard of another storm. He kept us safe and sound. Praise Him!!!

I don't rejoice in destruction either...like Japan. Who knows what is judgment and what is not? Only He knows for sure.

I would have never guessed that such a great man of God would perish by a car crash. Through his blog, He was ministering through him about his own death it looks like to me.

I agree...Dwell in Him constantly...you never know.


Shalom,

GWB

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Re: Bulletin Board [message #7809 is a reply to message #7792 ] Fri, 06 May 2011 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What is TRUTH...and can it be bought?


Proverbs 23:23

"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding."


I think this is a good scripture to help understand what is meant by studying to show ourselves approved unto God, 'rightly' dividing The Word of TRUTH.(II Tim.2:15) The truth is the WHOLE Word of God as revealed by The Holy Spirit, and not just the written words themselves(the letter) but the life changing understanding of what the words mean.

We know that The Gospel is not for sale, that we can't purchase eternal life with filthy lucre, nor can we offer Him money to obtain spiritual understanding/wisdom/instruction...TRUTH. So what does it mean to 'buy' truth? Because the truth does have a cost, in fact it's cost is the one thing mankind holds most dear, ourselves. Our self life, our self will; it cost removing ourselves from the throne of our hearts and receiving Jesus as both Lord and Saviour, reigning upon that throne. The cost includes death to our flesh, the willing submission to the working of The Cross, daily.

In this day and age, people consider 'wise' counsel advise on financial matters(investments/retirement planning/money management), yet the counsel given by God here to 'buy' the truth (and sell it not) is disregarded by the majority of people.

Why is it that when Charles Schwab speaks, people listen...but when God speaks it's ignored?

[Updated on: Fri, 06 May 2011 10:04]


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7810 is a reply to message #7809 ] Fri, 06 May 2011 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think this is a good answer to your question:

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded , lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

II Tim 3:1-5

[Updated on: Fri, 06 May 2011 12:16]


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7830 is a reply to message #7810 ] Fri, 20 May 2011 06:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What a horrible question Jesus asked.

Jn 14:9 Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me?

Re: Bulletin Board [message #7832 is a reply to message #7830 ] Sat, 21 May 2011 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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After today many people (both professing Christians and unbelievers) are going be tempted to view Christianity as a delusion and possibly give up on any hope they had. They won't be the first people to have been deceived, nor will they be the last. My prayer today is that God's true sheep will repent, refocus on Jesus and learn from the experience. May we all learn to encourage one another rather than point fingers at another's folly. And for the unbelievers who will will use this as a proof to themselves that God isn't in control and watching, that the Rapture is just religious jargon...may His mercies be unto them fresh each day as they were unto many of us when we were yet still walking in the ignorance and vanity of our own minds.


"Being confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." ~Phil. 1:6


"Rejoice in The Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice." ~Phil.4:4


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7835 is a reply to message #7832 ] Sun, 22 May 2011 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=james wrote on Sat, 21 May we all learn to encourage one another rather than point fingers at another's folly.


/quote]
Guess Paul shouldnt have pointed his finger at the Galations for there (folly) foolishness Ga. 3

Re: Bulletin Board [message #7837 is a reply to message #7835 ] Sun, 22 May 2011 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Grandom,

You are always clearly either black or white! I love it! Laughing


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7905 is a reply to message #7837 ] Sun, 05 June 2011 06:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It is necessary that The Word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

For so hath The Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified The Word of The Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."

Acts 13:45-48


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7911 is a reply to message #7905 ] Tue, 07 June 2011 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Something to ponder...


Just pondering and reflecting out loud...If there is a remnant of Christians who have been scattered, who have been 'in the desert for years', being separated from the religious system of man; hopefully being perfected into men and women who will have matured into vessels The Lord can use in the end-times/last days. Then if any of us think we're part of that group, OVERCOMERS, why don't we see and experience more body ministry on the forum? Doesn't The Holy Spirit reveal deeper truths and wisdom as we study His Word to show ourselves approved unto God? How can Christians daily be in God's Word and never have anything to share with others? I mean, if we can't minister by this medium where we're pretty much anonymous, it's hard to believe it's happening in one on one, face to face situations.

Here's what I read today, and I just wonder how or if it applies to 'us'. Actually I believe it does...apply to many of us.


"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not strong meat.

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in The Word of Righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on into perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith towards God.

Of the doctrine of baptisms, and the laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

And this will we do, if God permit." ~Hebrews 5:12-14 6:1-3


I'm not advocating fleshly works or idle chit-chat about the weather; I am exhorting fellow believers/disciples to seek The Lord and ask Him why He has you here on OO(regardless of whether you're only here as a reader, or vistor, or regular member), and if there is more He desires of you in the way of sharing and ministering to your fellow brothers and sisters.

I don't have all the answers, but this has been upon my heart since I was brought here over three years ago. And I know I've brought it up more than once, but I just can't help but share what is in my heart...if no one else sees this, or agrees, then maybe I'm missing God and need to seek Him for the direction He'd have me go. I want to be ready when He returns; I want Him to find faith in me; I want to have oil in my vessel and my lamp trimmed and burning; I want to hear "Well done"...as I'm sure every one who reads this does.

Love and blessing to all...


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Bulletin Board [message #7912 is a reply to message #7911 ] Wed, 08 June 2011 00:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't apologize James, you raise some good points and I agree with you about the need to use what we've been given.

Our big problem is the singular fact that almost everything we've been taught takes for granted that we would be functioning in a body of believers. The Lord is coming back for His church. It is His church that is making herself ready. Eph 4:11f says that we are to be perfected by each of us--the members of His body--functioning as a whole unit. The same thing is found in 1Cor 12-14.

Of course there are 'individual' blessings that come with the message of faith, and I don't want to minimize that fact, but the truth of the matter is that we have too many problems with others to really function as a group of believers that are moving with one mind and purpose like a real human body working together with its various functions.

We don't know how to deal with error (a sore on the body) or immaturity (weakness in the body) without becoming indignantly irritated. Our method is to cut the whole thing off. We've cut, we've trimmed, and it has come to the point where we (or now is it just me?) say "I alone am left! and they (all of the rest) are seeking my life!" <grin>

Remember the old saying "divide and conquer?" We've been divided about as severely as the woman in Jdg 19:25-30.

Okay, I can't leave on that note so I'll say this--IT'S NOT TOO LATE! We are merely earthen vessels (which accounts for our miserable state) but we've been filled with the Holy Spirit of God with whom NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE! He is more than able to make us to stand upright as a man--a healthy body--and walk into the fulness of our redemption!

Blessings,
William


[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2011 00:06]


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Re: Bulletin Board [message #7913 is a reply to message #7912 ] Wed, 08 June 2011 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There has been a lot of hate thrown at me lately from various directions. Other believers I have talked to are experiencing the same thing. The greater the jealousy and gossip, the greater the loser. It seems we are being fine tuned and lines are being drawn according to what and who we live for when loyalty or sacrifice is involved. Of course, it is always about them and victim mentality. "In the end, people will be lovers of selves and lovers of money."

Do I care what this world thinks? No. Do I care when blatant lies are spoken to try and tear down my restoration? No. Do I care when people are driving by and I find garbage, eggs, cig. butts, etc.? No. Do I care that I have lost almost my entire family due to Jesus? No. I keep my eyes on the prize. What wonderful testimonies they will have! My family did not like me when I was close to Jesus and went to FA. I backslid and we were all buddies again. Now, I am back with Jesus and you guessed it! The ones who need salvation hates the Jesus in me.

I think the more a person hates, the more they need to be loved. Yes, my flesh rises up at times. However, I am happy to say that it is getting easier because I realize they are the walking dead until they hear the Gospel and believe.

On warm summer days, my father and I would hold hands and walk all over our land. We found the best apples and pears to eat while walking through our orchard. We sat and watched butterflies as he told me what kind they were. He would talk about Jesus and how He loved us so much. We then started counting lightnin' bugs. The conversation always ended when he said, "Do the right thing, Doll, and remember Jesus."

Those were the last words I heard from him hours before his death. Daddy felt very well, considering the disease process he was experiencing. Jesus tried to prepare me for his death with a dream. In the dream, my father and I were walking around just like we did when I was a little girl. God said, "In two months, your Daddy will be with me." Exactly two months to the day one early morning, he went to be with Jesus.

Even though I miss my earthly father, I miss my Heavenly Father too. I want to hold His hand and walk through heavenly orchards while I talk His ear off! However, there is a call deep in my heart to be strong and endure to the end. I feel my heart leaving this world more and more. This world is all I know, but in my heart, it is not home. I hear this voice from both of my Father's saying, "Do the right thing, Doll, and remember Jesus."

If you fall, get up and try it again. Run the race and don't look back. When I was in gymnastics, I had to get up over and over again. Athletes don't take no for an answer. They concentrate on what needs to be done and does it regardless of feelings. We are almost home so keep getting up!!!

Where ever you are finding yourself today I believe He has these words for us at this time:

Restoration; no condemnation.

I believe that we are in a calm before the storm. Demons are rising up within their victims. They are producing havic on this earth like never before. Storms, earthquakes, and natural disasters everywhere on the planet are raging. The creation is saying, "I have had enough" as it groans with birth pains.

Prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes day to day in the news and headlines. What an exciting time to know Jesus! He has us in the palm of His hand. Not one atom can touch us unless He says, "OK." How sad for those who don't know the Word so they, too, could watch things unfold that was propheside hundreds of years ago.

Wars, division, love has waxed cold as people are "doing their thing." People are hating, serving themselves, and not caring about hurting others. Their heads are haughty and the hearts are full of pride (or themselves.) People feel that they are entitled to do whatever they please. They are shoving their "rights" down our throats and they think they will get away with mocking God. The chips on their shoulders are so big they have to turn sideways to get through a door. What a very, very sad way to live. Thank you Jesus for my blessed life!

These are usually the same people who will save a whale or hug a tree and on the other side of their protest poster they support babies being sucked out limb by limb and thrown into a bucket of blood. I have listened to women dealing with the guilt fifty years later. These murderers will hold a full term baby's head in the canal so it will still be a "fetus." They then take instruments, cut a hole in the baby's neck and suck the brains out. The baby is then allowed to leave the canal because the "fetus will be dead at birth." People are worshiping their household cats and dogs more than caring about what is in the bucket across town, let alone fellow human beings.

They have no use for you unless you line up with their agendas. These are usually the people who can dish it out, but can't take it. I used to be really good at shoving it back. Now He won't allow me to do so. There are times I have to remind myself to handle things His way. I am learning that the worse thing I could do to them is to forgive and had them over to Him. What a fearful thing!

I could go on and on, but you all already know all of this. My main points are this:

1. Do not get weary in well doing. Be sure you are preaning yourselves to get out of the gate at full speed when it all hits the fan.

2. THERE IS WAR IN THE HEAVENS!!! Review Rev. 12 and 13. Time is short and Satan is pulling out all of the stops.

We have great news! We know how it all ends! It ain't over 'til it's over. I am kicking at my gate and I can't wait to charge! Satan...be afraid... Be very, very afraid!

[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2011 13:43]


Shalom,

GWB

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Preach it Sister!!


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Re: Bulletin Board [message #7915 is a reply to message #7912 ] Wed, 08 June 2011 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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moulder wrote on Wed, 08 June 2011 00:03



Our big problem is the singular fact that almost everything we've been taught takes for granted that we would be functioning in a body of believers. The Lord is coming back for His church. It is His church that is making herself ready. Eph 4:11f says that we are to be perfected by each of us--the members of His body--functioning as a whole unit. The same thing is found in 1Cor 12-14



You are absolutely correct William. I dont believe we were scattered all over the country and the world for that matter to function as a body on the forum.

To me that kind of smacks of the old universal mystical church of believers concept. No one is accountable to anyone, we have no contact eyeball to eyeball. No one knows what is going on in each others lives so how can there be body ministry?It`s quite plain that the Holy Spirit functions in such a body.

I do believe the body is to be local and functioning in a local assembly of believers. In Pauls letters he addresses the Chuches of a community which indicates there was not one big church but little bodies comprised of a few believers.

In view of the fact that none of us (or most )of us dont belong to a local body,then I highly doubt that the Holy Spirit is going to especially bless us in that capacity.If we are not going to obey the way the word has laid out the ecclesia then why should he bless our disobedience?

Is that to say we cant share from time to time, absolutely not but the functioning of the body is to the true local body.

That is my "Cranky" opinion. Smile
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Your opinions are not "cranky" Grandom. You are just blunt and to the point.

I agree with everything you said if I understand you correctly. However, it was prophesied that FA would be disbursed. That was the reason for the Charasmatic School. Dr. Freeman knew that his purpose was teaching himself out of a job.

I have a small group of believers who I meet with once a week. It does not always function as it should, or like what we were used to at FA. It is always good to be with believers.

My question is this. What do we do now? Do we all believe for small bodies to be raised up in our different areas? Have we fallen short of reaching out and that is the reason for the lack of official bodies of believers. Where is the disobedience on everyone's part? I think the answer is very important for the times we are in right now.

Before moving to FA, I was a part of a small house meeting with about twelve believers. Those were some of the best times of my life.

I know you like to be short and sweet. What do you beleive is the answer to your response?





[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2011 14:40]


Shalom,

GWB

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To me Heb:10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching is What I believe Dr Freeman envisioned happening when he taught us as he did.

This coincides with all the teachings on the body. How can we function if we dont meet.

Thanks to WIlliam I am still absorbing the book "Pagan Christianity". To see how far all Christians have departed from the new testament church it has been most enlightening.
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Grandom wrote:

"How can we function if we dont meet."

I agree and I miss worshiping and gathering together.

So, what is the answer? I am guessing for all of us to believe for NT bodies to be raised up?

[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2011 14:40]


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GWB

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GWB wrote on Wed, 08 June 2011 14:39


So, what is the answer? I am guessing for all of us to believe for NT bodies to be raised up?



I dont presume to have the answer for you GWB.

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father. How did Jesus know the will of His Father. He communed with Him and did only what the Father told Him.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. I dont want to just throw out these scriptures for a trite answer but I can only go by what the word says. My conclusion as I have said previously is that I personally have not fullfilled in a body what God has called me to be as a believer for body ministry.

Sorry I cant help beyond that.

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You are absolutely correct William. I dont believe we were scattered all over the country and the world for that matter to function as a body on the forum.

To me that kind of smacks of the old universal mystical church of believers concept. No one is accountable to anyone, we have no contact eyeball to eyeball. No one knows what is going on in each others lives so how can there be body ministry?It`s quite plain that the Holy Spirit functions in such a body.


True, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that we are a 'church' here. We are a fellowship of believers with a common body of experience though. And we ought to be motivated to minister in the sphere of influence that we've been given.

The Holy Spirit is not limited to 'eyeball to eyeball' contact. There is abundant ministry that takes place online, much more than most of us can imagine.

True, it isn't the local body of Christ functioning in the local setting, complete with a group of elders or pastor, but it is Brother James, with his gift of exhortation, and Gillyann with her special gifts, you with yours, and others that have been gifted with various gifts of the Spirit. To say that these gifts are only effective in a local setting would be taking it a bit far, imo. I personally have been edified by each one of you.

I still believe that this isn't what we have been preparing for all of our lives. It falls way short of what we thought the Lord would be doing in and through us but it is an exercise of the individual gifts that the Lord has given to us and while that may be 'a small beginning', it is a start!

In some sort of ironic way, when we had a body of believers that were in hot pursuit of Jesus Christ, we beat each other up over things that really were small issues (I know that there were some that never did this--I'm making a general observation here!) that could have resulted in edification of the whole body if it were handled differently and now that we don't have a 'body' we still act as standoffish as we did when we had each other.

I'm just saying...

Instead of treating each other as little bits of leaven (that may at any time leaven the whole lump) why don't we treat each other as members of Jesus' Body?

I know for a fact that all of you regulars are TRUE followers of Jesus Christ. You are seeking the same thing I'm seeking--God's Kingdom on this earth. With those facts we ought to be able to give ourselves fully to one another without fear of 'saying something wrong' or 'being misunderstood', etc., and if we do say something or we are misunderstood, then we ought to never fear that our love for each other is going to be withdrawn or with held. We have bible examples that speak to this. We shall be known for our love, one toward another.

Blessings,
William


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grandom wrote on Wed, 08 June 2011 14:35

To me Heb:10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching is What I believe Dr Freeman envisioned happening when he taught us as he did.

This coincides with all the teachings on the body. How can we function if we dont meet.

Thanks to WIlliam I am still absorbing the book "Pagan Christianity". To see how far all Christians have departed from the new testament church it has been most enlightening.



I just finished it. I'll let you do the book report though! <grin>

Blessings,
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I just finished it. I'll let you do the book report though! <grin>

Blessings,
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Thanks Brother. Your all Heart.... Laughing

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True, but I don't think anyone is suggesting that we are a 'church' here. We are a fellowship of believers with a common body of experience though. And we ought to be motivated to minister in the sphere of influence that we've been given.

Right, William, I wasn't suggesting that we were an 'online church'. And if The Holy Spirit dwells within us(and I do know that He is in me) I KNOW He can and does use this medium, of this I am sure.

The Holy Spirit is not limited to 'eyeball to eyeball' contact. There is abundant ministry that takes place online, much more than most of us can imagine.

True, it isn't the local body of Christ functioning in the local setting, complete with a group of elders or pastor, but it is Brother James, with his gift of exhortation, and Gillyann with her special gifts, you with yours, and others that have been gifted with various gifts of the Spirit. To say that these gifts are only effective in a local setting would be taking it a bit far, imo. I personally have been edified by each one of you.

This is the point I'm trying to make.

I still believe that this isn't what we have been preparing for all of our lives. It falls way short of what we thought the Lord would be doing in and through us but it is an exercise of the individual gifts that the Lord has given to us and while that may be 'a small beginning', it is a start!

Well I do believe He has been preparing us for ministry (how else are we going to be used, experience has to start somewhere)

In some sort of ironic way, when we had a body of believers that were in hot pursuit of Jesus Christ, we beat each other up over things that really were small issues (I know that there were some that never did this--I'm making a general observation here!) that could have resulted in edification of the whole body if it were handled differently and now that we don't have a 'body' we still act as standoffish as we did when we had each other.

I'm just saying...

Instead of treating each other as little bits of leaven (that may at any time leaven the whole lump) why don't we treat each other as members of Jesus' Body?

I know for a fact that all of you regulars are TRUE followers of Jesus Christ. You are seeking the same thing I'm seeking--God's Kingdom on this earth. With those facts we ought to be able to give ourselves fully to one another without fear of 'saying something wrong' or 'being misunderstood', etc., and if we do say something or we are misunderstood, then we ought to never fear that our love for each other is going to be withdrawn or with held. We have bible examples that speak to this. We shall be known for our love, one toward another.

I used to allow what others thought or said to cause me to withold what God had given me to share, but I've learned, by His Grace, if I am seeking to edify, encourage, exhort, with the right motive, then the criticism is taken as a grain of salt. Though I do remember Bro. Freeman once saying that when he was criticized he would ask himself if there was any truth to it and learn from it.(paraphrasing)

I also know for certain that this forum has been used by The Lord in touching lives...mine is one, and there are others. I am not going to dictate to God how to use me nor limit the way He choses...Good confession, now to walk it out... Smile






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Priorities...


So as times become tougher and tougher and people spend more and more time and energy seeking to make ends meet, what are Christians doing? Looking for a second job? Seeking financial advice on investments to hedge against inflation? Refinancing? Borrowing and charging? Caught up in the proverbial rat race ?

OR, are we investing in spiritual riches, the free life giving rivers of living water; storing up riches in heaven, keeping our focus on things above, remembering we're just passing through this world? If we're obedient unto God, totally trusting Him and have embraced His Word as sufficient for all our needs, then inflation (which will get worse and worse), collapsed economies (which is also going to get much worse), global turmoil, and natural disasters like never seen before...will not harm us. Yet our God is, and will continue to be our refuge in time of trouble, our hightower and dwelling place. (This is not saying that we are exempt from any hardships, we will experience times of testing and trials, America's days of spoiled over-indulgence are fast coming to an end, but God will be there for us according to our faith...and His mercy)


"HO, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto Me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness." Isaiah 55:1-2


"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."


"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or,
What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?"


"But seek ye first The Kingdom of God, and His righteousness; and ALL these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Suffucient unto the day is the evil thereof."
Matthew 6:19-21 and 31&33,34



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More on priorities...


The Lord has been reminding me about my priorities in life, last week I posted the above on what I felt like He was showing me. This morning in my scripture reading He lead me to Ecclesiastes chapter 7 and verse 12, which brought further understanding of what He has been revealing. I'll copy the verse here and then comment...


"For wisdom is a defence, and money is a defence: but the excellency of knowledge is, that wisdom giveth life to them that have it." ~ Ecc.7:12


So what's important in our lives? Money? We do need it, and it IS a 'defense' against many things, like poverty. In the natural, a man in the world with money has a better chance at life than one without money.(can't say everything at one time, of course we know money can't buy peace, health, love, or salvation...)

But, EXCELLENCY of knowledge tells us that, WISDOM gives life...to them that have it. So I looked up the word 'defence' in the Hebrew, and it means shade, or shadow. Wisdom, as well as money, will 'shade' us, or cast a 'shadow' over us as a protection against what life brings our way. And we know that God is that protection/shield/shade/shadow, and that 'this' wisdom comes from Him, in whom we have LIFE. Some scriptures that shows God as our shade/shadow...

"The LORD is thy keeper: The LORD is thy shade upon thy right hand." [why? to be our defence against...] "The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night." Ps.121:5-6 btw: when I was in construction work back in the 80's, I claimed this scripture daily while working outdoors. Other scriptures that depict God as our shadow/defence...Ps.17:8, Ps.36:7, Ps.57:1, Ps.91:1

It's not that we're not to have any money; it is useful when used according to Godly principles, but it doesn't give life nor point us to Jesus, as does wisdom from God. The knowledge of God with the wisdom He alone can give, IS INDEED A DEFENCE against...ANYTHING.

It's good to have money when one needs it, but it's only temporal for this life...seek wisdom of God, which gives eternal life.

Priorities...need adjusting when not in the right order.

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God..."


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Contending or Contentious...


Contend: strive; fight. compete. assert; maintain. (Oxford American Dictionary)

Contentious: quarrelsome. likely to cause an argument. (Oxford American Dictionary)


"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." ~Jude 3


"But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath." ~Romans 2:8


Two words that sound similar, but have very different meaning when found in scripture. We're exhorted to CONTEND for the faith; but to not be CONTENTIOUS. I see sometimes when reading internet Christian forums, earnest brethren contending for the faith and gospel of Jesus Christ, instructing with patience and wisdom the truths of God's Word, learning from each other and sharing. Yet, far too often I see contentious people who seem like the only goal they have is to argue and cause division, just waiting for the opportunity to start controversy and disrupt what is being shared.

Thankfully, we don't have that problem very often here on Overcomers Online, but I thought as I read Romans chapter two this morning, it would be good to be reminded just what happens to the contentious...

V9 "Tribulation and anguish, upon evry soul of man that doeth evil..."


...and a reminder to those who earnestly contend for the faith through patience and well doing...

V10 "But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good..."


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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Perfected Praise...


When Jesus was entering Jerusalem riding on the ass, the multitude of people were shouting praises to Him, saying, "Hosanna to The Son of David, Blessed is He that cometh in The Name of The LORD, and Hosanna in the highest." Then after Jesus drove out the moneychangers and those who were merchandising in the temple, and healed those that were blind and lame; even the children were giving Him praise, saying, "Hosanna to The Son of David."

This upset the chief priests and scribes[church clergy, leadership, and worship team... in today's church system]


"...and Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings Thou hast perfected praise? " Matthew 21:16


Where is the perfected praise today? God isn't looking for 'praise/worship teams' to entertain the body of Christ; young children just simply worshiping and praising Jesus with all their hearts was exactly what God desired, it was more beautiful to His ears than any orchestrated arrangment ever performed by unanointed men.

What happened to The Body just spending time giving HIM praise and shouts of joy...for the wonderful things He has done.


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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Conditions for Peace...


"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace , whose mind is stayed on Thee: because he trusteth in Thee.

Trust ye in The Lord for ever: for in The Lord JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:"

Isaiah 26:3-4


Many Christians, when atacked or confronted with the temptation to be anxious or fearful, often quote scriptures like the ones above or maybe II Timothy 1:7 (I have, many times). But how often are we reminded that there are conditions that must be met in order for God to honor His Word to us? When our minds are stayed upon Him (walking in The Spirit and by faith) THEN, we will experience His true peace, power, love, and soundness of mind.

God's Word is true whether our experiences always line up with it or not, but Praise Jesus, I have experienced His perfect peace in the midst of anxious, fearful, mental attacks where in and of myself I had no peace or hope thereof; not because I roboticly parroted His Word as my escape, but because I obeyed His Word and drew near unto Him and stayed there, trusting Him alone as my everlasting strength.


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Thanks James!

Yep, I know when He wants me to do something and I put it off or justify it, or flat just don't do it. Rolling Eyes

Of course, I know nobody else ever does that.... Rolling Eyes Laughing

When I line up with what I know He wants me to do in my heart, I get immediate peace and I feel so much better. Very Happy


Shalom,

GWB

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Glorify Thy Name...


"Father, glorify Thy name..." John 12:28a

God is going to be glorified, He WILL receive glory, Jesus glorified Him when He walked the earth; the heavens and earth declare the glory of God; there's a song by the above title, 'Glorify Thy Name'.

But we're instructed to 'glorify' God by our lives and actions, How? "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples." John 15:8 Also by what we say, "If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth; that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ..." I Peter 4:11

We glorify God with our testimony, when we share of His mighty deeds. "Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the Most High: And call upon Me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify Me." Ps.50:14-15

Saints of God, there's no time like the present, offer Him praise and worship NOW, give Him glory, glorify His Name throughout all the earth...Hallelujah LORD GOD Most High, we glorify Your Name, You, and You alone are worthy O LORD.

"Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God." Ps. 50:23


Thank You Father, may our actions and even the meditations of our hearts bring glory unto Your Holy Name...amen



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Amazing Grace...

This came to my mind last night, I don't know if I read it somewhere in the past or if it's a famous quote by someone else

or given me by The Lord, but it blessed and humbled me...


"I'm not who I was, before He made me who I am"


God's grace is so amazing...


"I once was lost

But now am found

Was blind, but now I see"


"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." II Corinthians 5:17


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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Yes brother James !

Amazing Grace !!!!!!

I was driving around this morning singing that song and pondering the words.....


He saved a wrench like me...........?

I don't know why, but I am sooooooo Thankful He did !

Thank you Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so thankful for all the Brothers & Sister on OO.

Blessings to all !


Ron
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Conditions for Peace ...BELIEVE THE WORD of GOD.


All the teaching, explaining, warnings, and prophecies Jesus gave, first to His disciples, and now to us; He gave that we might, through FAITH, have confidence in Him to fulfill His Word.(and that gives us PEACE )


"These things I have spoken unto you, that in Me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. " John 16:33

"Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." John 14:27

"Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil.4:6-7


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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Peace For Abraham and us by His Word!

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Romans 4:20-25 (KJV)

And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

That Is Peace !


Ron
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JWBTI wrote on Sat, 13 August 2011 14:08


And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

That Is Peace !



Amen, yes it certainly is !

May we all be FULLY PERSUADED.


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james wrote on Thu, 04 August 2011 10:18

Amazing Grace...

This came to my mind last night, I don't know if I read it somewhere in the past or if it's a famous quote by someone else

or given me by The Lord, but it blessed and humbled me...


"I'm not who I was, before He made me who I am"


God's Grace is so amazing...


"I once was lost

But now am found

Was blind, but now I see"


"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." II Corinthians 5:17


I am continually awed by The Grace of God, as I ponder the wonder of His LOVE for me I can't help but wonder...'where would i be'...if not for Grace.

Here are the lyrics to a song written and performed by the pastor of FaithWorld in Orlando, FL. I love his voice and he has written some awesome songs of praise and worship. I don't endorse his teaching or agree with his lifestyle, but when he sings while playing a Grand piano, the music touches my heart.

To listen to the following song about God's Grace on YouTube just Google... Clint Brown, Where would I be


Where Would I Be

Where would i be

You only know

I'm glad You see

through eyes of love

A hopeless case,

an empty place

If not for Grace


Amazing Grace how sweet the sound

I once was lost but now I'm found

A hopeless case, an empty place

If not for Grace


Precious Lord please take my hand

Lead me on let me stand

A hopeless case, an empty place

If not for Grace


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
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