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The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #4507] Fri, 26 December 2008 02:46 Go to next message
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Some believe that the 10 lost tribes of Israel are 10 distinct groups that have been found recently and will return to Israel according to Revelation. Others believe they have assimilated into the world's population and cannot be found. I do not have a view, just throwing it out there and wondering what is valid and scriptural.

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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #4536 is a reply to message #4507] Sat, 27 December 2008 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am guessing popular culture. I see both of these lines of thought online and in the mail and it made me wonder what was up with all of it.

In going through old outlines today, I saw where it was taught at FA; what wasn't! Rolling Eyes However, I do not remember anything about this subject. That week I must have been having a baby or something. Laughing

Hope that info helps to clarify my question.

We move tomorrow. See you guys in a few days. Smile

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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #4542 is a reply to message #4536] Sat, 27 December 2008 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's a good reply Hombre. Notion says it all.


There are also very good notes in Every Wind of Doctrine on this subject pg 66 on the study on Anglo-Israelism

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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #4611 is a reply to message #4542] Mon, 29 December 2008 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I took it off because I got discourged and thought I was shooting my mouth off too much again Smile

I agree with your comments. I thought the Taliban issue was interesting because of their prominence in the news these days. Every now and then you hear about another group with Jewish heritage. It's always interesting to me. There was a chinese group a few yrs ago with ancient jewish practices still considered themselves jewish- chinese looking- very ancient heritage. They wanted to return to Israel(after 3000 yrs or so) Neither the Israeli or chinese gov't were interested. I think the Israeli's just didn't want the bother.

Getting too far out with speculation about endtimes is never very profitable. Although always interesting Smile

Having said that I just had a thought. As I have said on other posts I think God's two witnesess are going to do more than call down fire from heaven etc. I think they will set up the tribal divisions set the priesthood in order temple worship etc It just occoured to me they may call and annoint the 144000 jewish evangelists in Rev 7 as well. Ah just a thought.

Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #5024 is a reply to message #4611] Sat, 31 January 2009 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I ran across this article on the internet about this subject if anyone is interested reading it. There is also lots of links on the page to further reading.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233050205426& ;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #6691 is a reply to message #5024] Tue, 19 January 2010 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hardbones wrote:

"There are also very good notes in Every Wind of Doctrine on this subject pg 66 on the study on Anglo-Israelism"


GWB writes:

I have gone back and read this section in EWofDoctrine. It is very good, and nothing at all what most are now saying "out there."

Dr. Freeman lays out, in great detail, how the tribes were never lost at all! This really shoots a hole in the false doctrines that many Messianic movements are now taking.

Dr. Freeman stated that all 12 tribes sacrificed after returning from Babylon. It is all very interesting and I was so blessed to FINALLY get it straightened out after listening to so many talk about this subject.



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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #7509 is a reply to message #4507] Thu, 02 December 2010 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello,
The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel refers to the tribes of ancient Israel that formed the Kingdom of Israel and disappeared from the Biblical account after the kingdom was destroyed in about 720 BCE by ancient Assyria.[1] Many groups have traditions concerning the continued hidden existence or future public return of these tribes.
This is a subject based upon written religious tradition and partially upon speculation. There is a vast amount of literature on the Lost Tribes and no specific source can be relied upon for a complete answer....


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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #7511 is a reply to message #7509] Fri, 03 December 2010 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for your response. It is always good to hear different opinions and what others are learning about the Word.

From my understanding of these teachings from FA, there has always been a remnant of all twelve tribes present in the land of Israel itself.

Yes, they were scattered in part and God is bringing those parts back to Israel.

I believe that I have a reliable source for what I believe on this subject. I am open to others opinions, but for me, Dr. Freeman's teachings have always allowed me to stay on track of the true Word of God.


Shalom,

GWB

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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #7666 is a reply to message #7511] Sun, 06 February 2011 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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TAPE 376 Part 2

HEF = Dr. Hobart E. Freeman; his quotes or beliefs

HWA = Herbert W. Armstrong; his quotes or beliefs




I. ARMSTRONG AND BRITISH (ANGLO) ISRAELISM


A. Introduction


1. HWA United States and Great Britain are the 10 lost tribes.



a. HEF After death of Solomon, there were 10 tribes in Northern Israel.
b. HEF The tribe of Judah and Benjamin composed the Southern tribes; Israelites.
c. HEF 722 BC Assyrians came into Palestine and took captive to Assyria
d. HEF 586 BC 2 tribes to Babylonia, Jeremiah prophecy.



B. HWA 10 tribes were lost and migrated to Great Britain and USA; ancestors of Saxons/Anglo.



1. HWA Judah is Jew; Judah rejected Jesus



a. HEF Romans, Jesus is from the tribe of Judah.
b. HWA All promises go to Israel (replacement theology GWB) and the two kingdoms never united.
c. Levi (priestly kingdom) Joseph’s sons: Ephriam (Israel) and Manassah.
d. II Sam. 7:13 “David’s throne never lack.” The queen of Great Britain is the Queen of Israel.
e.HWA Danube River is a marker from the tribe of Dan.
f. HEF says that HWA does not know his languages or he would not have made such a blunder!
g. HWA took Isaac; dropped the I, leaving saac, making that Saac which = Saxon!
h. HEF Hebrew does not use vowels. Hebrew would be Ysaac in British.
i. HEF Covenant = yhwsh (brit), Brit-ish (man) = HWA men of covenant.
j. HEF Bertish = Hebrew = covenant of man!
k. After Ezk. 37:15 “Israel will be one nation; speaks of one nation.
l. 2 sticks: Judah/Joseph (Israel) Ephraim into 1 stick in My hand.
m. Children from among heathen make one nation.
n. HWA God is done with Judah and has rejected them. (Replacement Theology GWB)
o. False cults know just a little and out of harmony with rest of the Word. Twist Word to own destruction.
p. HEF After division, Jews and Israel (12 tribes) are interchangeable.
q. Acts 21:39 “I am a Jew; Ro. 11:1 “I am an Israelite” Paul is both!
r. Phil 3:5 “Tribe of Benjamen (Jew).” HWA says rejected (Replacement Theology GWB).
s. HEF Jew-Child of Abraham; Israelite – child of Jacob = both are the same!



C. HEF All 12 tribes came back after the 2 captivities.




1. HEF Ezra 1 King Cyrus (Pagan king of Syria/Babylon/Persia) was used to restore Jews/Israel to the land. OT proof.



a. HEF Any Jew anywhere was allowed to return to the land.
b. Ezra 2:28 List of those who returned to Palestine. “…men of Bethel, Ahi…223 men.”
c. Bethel was a Northern king and city, as well as, Ahi.
d. Ezra 2:70 Even more are listed.
e. “…All Israel in their cities.”
f. I Chron. 9:3 Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim and Manasseh (Judah!)
g. I Chron. 1 Names of returned…all Israel reckoned genealogy.
h. Ezra 6:17 “Sin offering for ALL the tribes (12) of Israel, 12 he goats for All of the tribes.
i. ALL 12 tribes dedicated the new temple. No need of 12 sacrifices if 10 were written off.



2. More detailed in Every Wind of Doctrine (page 66).



3. NT Proof



a. Acts 26:7 Speaks of 12 tribes of Israel. “…unto one promise are 12 tribes serving; serving God day and night.
b. First written about in NT in James 1:1. “…James to the 12 tribes scattered abroad…”




4. HEF All 12 scattered by then; a remnant of each left in Israel.



a. II Sam. 7:13, II Sam. 12 Nathan to David, “…build a house (until Jesus) for my name (church)…but not continually.
b. Last king 586 BC of Judah (Zedikiah)
c. 1947 Israel became a sovereign state. 586-1947 Israel was under the rule of the world.
d. Hosea 3:4 “…no king on David’s throne.” …HEF “until Jesus sits on it at 2nd advent. David was a type of Christ. Christ son of David to flesh
.


D. HEF Paul said He rejected Israel



a. HEF Ro. 11 “…until the fullness of the Gentiles is fulfilled.”
b. HEF Blindness in part of Israel
c. HWA Uses this to say Israel is totally rejected (Replacement Theo. GWB)
d. HEF You would have to reject SCORES of promises to unite Israel. It is a large part of the Bible!
e. Restore King and land.
f. Zek. 14 Promises restoration of the land.



*In the Ezekiel Series, HEF states that in 70 AD, the Romans came, destroyed the second temple, and at that time, many Jewish people disbursed throughout the world. There are remnants of every tribe in Israel today. GWB


This is all I am going to outline in exposing the seven deceptions. The Names of God are covered under the topic Bible Issues started by grandom.



*These notes are a work in progress concerning the seven areas of deception. These are my personal notes taken from the teaching tapes of Dr. Freeman. People are more than welcome to challenge, or help with, my interpretation of the teachings. These outlines do not replace listening to the teachings yourself. There are just too many gems in the teachings to include on an outline. I would be thrilled to have people listening to these teachings again and discuss them.*

[Updated on: Mon, 09 January 2012 05:59]


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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #7748 is a reply to message #7666] Thu, 14 April 2011 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Many people are getting caught up in Replacement Theology; the theme of this thread. Most believe there was not a remnant left in Israel and that they were all disbursed throughout the world. Although some Christians believe that they are now Israel and that God has rejected the Jew, the Jewish people believe differently.

This was taken from the Daily Prayer Book written by Chief Rabbi Joseph H. Hertz. Jewish people give this book upon Bar/Bat Mitzvah. The scripture below is traditionally read on the Day of Atonement or Passover, which is April 18 of this year. While most Christians are celebrating the gods of fertility, some observe Passover. For Christians, with Passover, Jesus is lifted up as the Passover Lamb.

“Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? He retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in loving kindness. He will again have mercy upon us; he will subdue our iniquities. And thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea. O mayest thou cast all the sins of thy people, the house of Israel, into a place where they shall be no more remembered or ever again come to mind. Thou wilt show faithfulness to Jacob, and loving kindness to Abraham, as thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.”edited to give scripture reference...Micah 7:18-20

Commentary: remnant of his heritage. The prophets hold fast to the belief in a purified Remnant in Israel, a righteous nucleus that is indestructible. And historic Israel that has suffered all things, endured all things, and survived all things for its Faith, may well speak of itself as that Remnant.


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Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #13197 is a reply to message #4507] Sun, 15 March 2020 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was looking at some old notes and thought I would post my thoughts here.

There were prophets prophesying Israels (northern kingdom) exile to Assyria. Isaiah Amos Micah Hosea were all active at that time.

I cannot believe that at this time that godly people in Israel didn't realize what was going on and where things were going. People with a concern for the Lord. A concern for Spiritual things. Concern for their families and for Israel's future.

Not only that but there had been a big revival under King Hezekiah. 11 Chron. 30.(notice vs 10-11. There is always a nevertheless) Lots of Jews from the northern kingdom left idolatry came to the feast and returned to the Lord.

These Jews just returned from idolatry in the north to the Lord of Israel through the revival under Hezekiah seeing the coming captivity must have got themselves to Israel where their was relative safety. This is not even dealing with it from G's side. Just the side of a righteous man concerned for his family and his future. Seeing the idolatry all around him hearing the prophets speak of the coming exile. If that was me I would get myself and family to where spiritual things were and out of coming danger. Where there was a future for myself and family.

The Jews that were taken to captivity. The decree to return under Cyrus was given when Daniel was a powerful man in the empire. Surely he would have tried to facilitate the return of the 10 tribes. At the very least he would have made sure they all knew about it and had opportunity to come home. A lot of them must have come. Most didn't obviously but enough did so that they were all represented there in Acts.

There were powerful people all through Israels captivity in Babylon. Danial, Nehemiah, Esther/Mordecai, Ezra. I think they were placed there by God to keep his people safe and be in a position to help them get back.

All of this ie: the exile, the promised return, Israel in Babylon, the spiritual state of the nation, the preservation of the scriptures, concern for the future of the nation. All of this would have been of great concern to Dan. & others concerned for Israel. There must have been much intercession ,fasting, prayer going on.

Re: The 10 Lost Tribes of Israel [message #13204 is a reply to message #13197] Sun, 15 March 2020 18:55 Go to previous message
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Couple the revival under Hezekiah with the one under his great grandson Josiah (King of Judah in Jerusalem) beginning in 2Chron34 and you can see the same sort of things happening in the land of Israel. Josiah went throughout the land of Israel tearing down the alters and it looks like those from Israel (at least some) participated in the passover that he re-instituted.

Blessings,
William

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