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New member intro [message #1947] Wed, 28 May 2008 21:51 Go to next message
Yeshuafollower  is currently offline Yeshuafollower
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Greetings in the name of the LORD!
My name is Michelle and I live in Virginia. I used to be affiliated with an offspring of FA here in VA.
Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this group. I have been finding the discussions interesting. I mostly joined to keep up with the progress of Bruce. I only got to hear Bruce speak a couple of times during a visit to VA. I am praying for his healing and restoration.

I am saddened, however, at some of comments I have read concerning Bruce's diagnosis...just sad to hear that some won't or can't pray for him because_________________. Makes me sad.

Well, look forward to comments or maybe a friendly "hello" from someone.

Shalom,
Michelle
Re: New member intro [message #1948 is a reply to message #1947] Wed, 28 May 2008 22:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Hello" Michelle from Va., welcome to overcomers online.


“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
Re: New member intro [message #1949 is a reply to message #1948] Wed, 28 May 2008 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey James. Thanks for the welcome.
Tis a beautiful day here in Old Virginny.....may have made it up to the 70*s today...yesterday was about 90* so today was a bit of a shock to the body. It's going to be back in the 90*s this weekend. Nothing like Virginia weather.....summer is here.

Shalom,
Michelle
Re: New member intro [message #1965 is a reply to message #1947] Sat, 31 May 2008 18:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeshuafollower wrote on Wed, 28 May 2008 16:51

Greetings in the name of the LORD!
My name is Michelle and I live in Virginia. I used to be affiliated with an offspring of FA here in VA.
Thank you for allowing me to be a part of this group. I have been finding the discussions interesting. I mostly joined to keep up with the progress of Bruce. I only got to hear Bruce speak a couple of times during a visit to VA. I am praying for his healing and restoration.

I am saddened, however, at some of comments I have read concerning Bruce's diagnosis...just sad to hear that some won't or can't pray for him because_________________. Makes me sad.

Well, look forward to comments or maybe a friendly "hello" from someone.

Shalom,
Michelle

Just curious here. Has everyone/most in your family and your friends been healed of everything you prayed for? If so then maybe God will heal Bruce because you asked Him to. If not, why do you think God will heal Bruce?

DeWayne
Re: New member intro [message #1966 is a reply to message #1965] Sat, 31 May 2008 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DeWayne,
I have seen healings in my family and in friends. Some have been so supernatural, they could not have been explained away by anything other than GOD. And then I have known of healings which took place on the other side of eternity.

I don't PRESUME upon God to heal Bruce in time and space just because I ask Him to do so. Bruce WILL be healed, whether HERE or in Eternity. I know there are no magic formulas to preform. Just because I can quote Scripture on healing, or anoint someone with oil or do anything "according to the Scriptures" it doesn't mean that God intended for it to be applied in Bruce's situation.
I lost someone VERY close to me seven years ago. We did "all the right things:" we prayed, fasted, anointed with oil, surrounded her with printed Scriptures on cards and posters, played NOTHING but praise and worship music, confessed sin (and even things that weren't sin) and NEVER let a negative word out of our mouths. Yet, her healing was received in Heaven.

I will continue to pray for Bruce. As I stated in my first post,I was sad because people couldn't or wouldn't pray for Bruce because "he left the faith" and therefore he somehow deserved to be stricken with cancer????? HOW ABSURD is that? My God is just, and He is merciful and HE IS LOVE. And who is to say that Bruce left the faith just because he left Faith Assembly! Because I can tell you, with TOTAL conviction and assurance, that since I left a 'sister' FA church, my relationship with Jesus has never, ever been closer and more intimate than it is now. The relationship grows on a daily, no, momentary basis.
I do not know what was in Bruce's heart or what his relationship was and is like with Abba Father. I do know that I cannot judge his heart or presume to fully know what God is going to do for Bruce. I WILL continue to pray for Bruce. I pray that he is at peace and and God will delliver him from the cancer that has invaded his body. When and where Bruce gets his healing is up to God.

Now, all that said, if I have mistakenly read your post which I felt implied something other than what I have written, I ask forgiveness and I stand corrected. Having been in one of those types of churches in the past, I just cannot tolerate those who stand in judgement when someone is in need of our prayers.
Re: New member intro [message #1967 is a reply to message #1966] Sat, 31 May 2008 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeshuafollower wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 14:35

DeWayne,
I have seen healings in my family and in friends. Some have been so supernatural, they could not have been explained away by anything other than GOD. And then I have known of healings which took place on the other side of eternity.

I don't PRESUME upon God to heal Bruce in time and space just because I ask Him to do so. Bruce WILL be healed, whether HERE or in Eternity. I know there are no magic formulas to preform. Just because I can quote Scripture on healing, or anoint someone with oil or do anything "according to the Scriptures" it doesn't mean that God intended for it to be applied in Bruce's situation.
I lost someone VERY close to me seven years ago. We did "all the right things:" we prayed, fasted, anointed with oil, surrounded her with printed Scriptures on cards and posters, played NOTHING but praise and worship music, confessed sin (and even things that weren't sin) and NEVER let a negative word out of our mouths. Yet, her healing was received in Heaven.

I will continue to pray for Bruce. As I stated in my first post,I was sad because people couldn't or wouldn't pray for Bruce because "he left the faith" and therefore he somehow deserved to be stricken with cancer????? HOW ABSURD is that? My God is just, and He is merciful and HE IS LOVE. And who is to say that Bruce left the faith just because he left Faith Assembly! Because I can tell you, with TOTAL conviction and assurance, that since I left a 'sister' FA church, my relationship with Jesus has never, ever been closer and more intimate than it is now. The relationship grows on a daily, no, momentary basis.
I do not know what was in Bruce's heart or what his relationship was and is like with Abba Father. I do know that I cannot judge his heart or presume to fully know what God is going to do for Bruce. I WILL continue to pray for Bruce. I pray that he is at peace and and God will delliver him from the cancer that has invaded his body. When and where Bruce gets his healing is up to God.

Now, all that said, if I have mistakenly read your post which I felt implied something other than what I have written, I ask forgiveness and I stand corrected. Having been in one of those types of churches in the past, I just cannot tolerate those who stand in judgement when someone is in need of our prayers.


The reason I am here is to understand and defend God's Word, in particular His promises. As I have stated clearly, I am all for God's mercies. But the plain truth of the matter is that most don't get healed, even though you may say they do. If someone died then he didn't get healed, even if you say he did. No wonder there's so much confusion about healing.
Re: New member intro [message #1968 is a reply to message #1967] Sat, 31 May 2008 20:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DeWayne,
God alone DEFENDS His word. I don't have to do anything to "defend" God or His Word (which, are for the most part, one in the same <John 1>). His promises are true whether you or I or anyone else believes in them. You stated-- "Most people don't get healed?" I am curious as to what your definition of healing is then? I have known people who had a grapefruit (or larger) sized tumor, and came back, and the doctor could find NO trace of cancer/tumor in their body. A friend with acute leukemia who was to begin treatment, and the doctor couldn't find the cancer anywhere. I have seen with my own eyes someone raised from the dead and have heard first hand accounts of another person raised from the dead. I have heard first hand accounts of blind now seeing; have seen with my own eyes and personally known of someone who was physically handicapped and couldn't even stand without the use of a walker, have hands laid upon them and they ended up dancing in the aisles of church! I had a very significant healing (asthma) 2 and a half years ago. I even went back to my doctor and begged him to test me to see if I still had this disease because I KNEW Jesus healed me of it. He laughed and looked at me and asked, how can I test you for something the LORD has healed you of? (The doctor I see is a believer.)
You stated that people who die aren't healed? Really? So if someone dies sick, are they still sick in Heaven? Are our "glorified" bodies feeble and weak as they are here on earth?
We live in a fallen world, and because of that, sickness and death has entered. But there is NO sickness in Heaven.
I had a very young friend (11) who died about two and a half years ago. He was Autistic. He no longer has Autisim. He is healthy, whole and in Glory!

It doesn't matter to me how many people I pray for who get their healing this side of eternity or the other side of Eternity. I will continue to pray and believe for God to heal *as* He choses, and when and where He chooses.
Re: New member intro [message #1969 is a reply to message #1968] Sat, 31 May 2008 20:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeshuafollower wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 15:24


DeWayne,
God alone DEFENDS His word. I don't have to do anything to "defend" God or His Word (which, are for the most part, one in the same <John 1>). His promises are true whether you or I or anyone else believes in them. You stated-- "Most people don't get healed?" I am curious as to what your definition of healing is then? I have known people who had a grapefruit (or larger) sized tumor, and came back, and the doctor could find NO trace of cancer/tumor in their body. A friend with acute leukemia who was to begin treatment, and the doctor couldn't find the cancer anywhere. I have seen with my own eyes someone raised from the dead and have heard first hand accounts of another person raised from the dead. I have heard first hand accounts of blind now seeing; have seen with my own eyes and personally known of someone who was physically handicapped and couldn't even stand without the use of a walker, have hands laid upon them and they ended up dancing in the aisles of church! I had a very significant healing (asthma) 2 and a half years ago. I even went back to my doctor and begged him to test me to see if I still had this disease because I KNEW Jesus healed me of it. He laughed and looked at me and asked, how can I test you for something the LORD has healed you of? (The doctor I see is a believer.)
You stated that people who die aren't healed? Really? So if someone dies sick, are they still sick in Heaven? Are our "glorified" bodies feeble and weak as they are here on earth?
We live in a fallen world, and because of that, sickness and death has entered. But there is NO sickness in Heaven.
I had a very young friend (11) who died about two and a half years ago. He was Autistic. He no longer has Autisim. He is healthy, whole and in Glory!

It doesn't matter to me how many people I pray for who get their healing this side of eternity or the other side of Eternity. I will continue to pray and believe for God to heal *as* He choses, and when and where He chooses.


Jesus healed the sick in the NT. Did He say concerning those who died that they got healed? So you're equating death and healing? VERY strange indeed! Why would God instruct us to pray for healing if we're gonna get healed/killed anyway? Anyone who preaches/teaches God's Word is either defending it or perverting it.

[Updated on: Sat, 31 May 2008 20:37]

Re: New member intro [message #1970 is a reply to message #1969] Sat, 31 May 2008 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jesus healed the sick in the NT. Did He say concerning those who died that they got healed? So you're equating death and healing? VERY strange indeed! Anyone who preaches/teaches God's Word is either defending it or perverting it.

Who did the healing in the OT? Are not Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit one in the same? There were healings in both testaments/covenants!

There is NO sickness in Heaven...so therefore, if you die of a sickness in your "flesh and blood" when you go to be with the LORD, and you have a new body, that new body would not be sick.

I still say that I do nothing to defend God's Word. He ALONE makes good on His word. He is not a liar. However, I would agree that PEOPLE pervert it. May I never be accused of perverting His word. With His help, I choose to live it until He returns.

Re: New member intro [message #1971 is a reply to message #1970] Sat, 31 May 2008 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So when we pray for God to heal someone what do we say? God heal him or God let him die so he can be healed? I'm confused.

DeWayne
Re: New member intro [message #1973 is a reply to message #1971] Sun, 01 June 2008 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DeWayne, are you really confused or are you just giving Michelle a hard time? How about you? Are you willing to or have you,prayed for Bruce? Now you may know more than I do concerning Bruce's heart and why he left FA in 83-84, I thought part of it concerned the "hunting issue" as well as legalism and laws...I don't know, I only had a couple of conversations with him and they pertained to hunting trips to Ala.,because at the time we spoke everyone still hunted( those who were hunters). But whatever the reason was, is not God's mercy and grace still available to him if he seeks it with his whole heart? Yo bro, you're not on the throne, I'm not, even Hombre's not (even though he wants to be)<just kidding Hombre> Seriously, let God be God, who knows, someday you might need prayers, and I know you know, that we reap what we sow... PEACE


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Re: New member intro [message #1974 is a reply to message #1947] Sun, 01 June 2008 06:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Michelle,

Greetings from a fellow follower of Yeshua. If you appreciated Faith Assembly in the past you will probably appreciate the people here. Cant think of any right off hand I agree with much here but that link to Hobart Freeman and his ministry keeps me checking in. Be blessed, Michael
Re: New member intro [message #1975 is a reply to message #1973] Sun, 01 June 2008 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Sat, 31 May 2008 20:36

DeWayne, are you really confused or are you just giving Michelle a hard time? How about you? Are you willing to or have you,prayed for Bruce? Now you may know more than I do concerning Bruce's heart and why he left FA in 83-84, I thought part of it concerned the "hunting issue" as well as legalism and laws...I don't know, I only had a couple of conversations with him and they pertained to hunting trips to Ala.,because at the time we spoke everyone still hunted( those who were hunters). But whatever the reason was, is not God's mercy and grace still available to him if he seeks it with his whole heart? Yo bro, you're not on the throne, I'm not, even Hombre's not (even though he wants to be)<just kidding Hombre> Seriously, let God be God, who knows, someday you might need prayers, and I know you know, that we reap what we sow... PEACE

There's a scripture that tell us to do our alms in secret. I love Bruce! Is that plain enough? No one knows all the details but God, and that's really all that matters. As far as the prayer of faith goes, I'm saying that if someone can't obtain God's help and healing for his own household then how's he gonna obtain it for someone not so close? Answer, he's not! And to compare death with NT healing is out in left field.

DeWayne

[Updated on: Sun, 01 June 2008 10:11]

Re: New member intro [message #1976 is a reply to message #1975] Sun, 01 June 2008 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A question for you both, do either of you believe that we still must keep the OT Law? Or are Christians under NT grace?

DeWayne
Re: New member intro [message #1978 is a reply to message #1976] Sun, 01 June 2008 11:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Sun, 01 June 2008 06:16

I'm under grace, Rom.5 and LOVING The Lord my God with all my heart and my neighbor as myself, is fullfilling the law. Am I there yet, NO, but I'm daily seeking Gods help in walking in that LOVE, both for HIM and others..BY GRACE!!!!

None of us are there yet James. But God's Word will lead those who seek the Lord with all their hearts.

Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.
Re: New member intro [message #1982 is a reply to message #1971] Sun, 01 June 2008 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DeWayne,
I think it would be insane to pray for someone to die so they can be healthy and whole in heaven.

Why would one even contemplate such a thing?

Re: New member intro [message #1983 is a reply to message #1974] Sun, 01 June 2008 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for the welcome, Michael.

There was good that came out of FA and her sister churches...and God uses everything for HIS good and His Glory. God even uses broken and bruised vessels for His honor. I am thankful for the Word I learned from FA and sister churches and am learning how to apply them in love, not only toward others, but toward myself as well. For without love, the Word, wisdom and prophecy profit NOTHING.

blessings,
m
Re: New member intro [message #1987 is a reply to message #1982] Mon, 02 June 2008 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, he's confused or maybe just egging me on. Razz
I will be a good girl and get out my duct tape and place firmly over mouth, er, maybe just over fingers. Very Happy

Re: New member intro [message #1991 is a reply to message #1947] Mon, 02 June 2008 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Welcome Yeshuafollower, great to have you here!

I really enjoyed the testimonies of healing that you shared.

Blessings,
William


I want to believe!
Re: New member intro [message #1992 is a reply to message #1991] Mon, 02 June 2008 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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William,
Thank you for the welcome. I am glad you were blessed about the testimony of healing. Maybe when I have some extra time, I will give you the whole story...it will definitely bless your socks off! Surprised
Shalom,
Michelle
Re: New member intro [message #2016 is a reply to message #1987] Wed, 04 June 2008 04:44 Go to previous message
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Yeshuafollower wrote on Mon, 02 June 2008 09:05

OK, he's confused or maybe just egging me on. Razz
I will be a good girl and get out my duct tape and place firmly over mouth, er, maybe just over fingers. Very Happy



I'm not confused about the healing promises, just about you comparing them with death.

DeWayne
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