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Thu, 12 March 2020 19:11  |
 james
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Looks like this virus is getting serious, when they suspend and shut down major sporting events it's got to serious. I know it's better to err on the side of caution than be caught unprepared but still this is a first. NBA, MLB, NHL have all suspended play and college basketball has cancelled conference tournaments. It seems to be changing hourly, this time yesterday there was talk of playing games (March Madness is huge in America) without spectators, now it's no games period until the virus is brought under control.
I'm thinking as the wave of concern/hysteria/pandemic continues to swell churches will be closed this Sunday...I can't see them allowing children (there are several hundred under 6 years old where I attend worship) to risk being exposed...What next? Schools? Businesses? I might as well be closed, no one is coming in or making appointments, well, very few.
I guess this will get spun by liberal media and politicians to appear that Donald Trump caused this and only a democrat hopeful will be able to fix it...Bernie to the rescue!
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13196 is a reply to message #13195] |
Thu, 12 March 2020 21:39  |
james
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All kind of stuff is out down here, Costco has stopped the free food samples...that's serious.
It's hard to wrap my head around the fact that all championship games are canceled in every college sport. March Madness was one of my favorite indulgences, I always stream it here at the office (even got a 25" monitor with March Madness basketball games in mind, specifically , Auburn basketball) Drats!
I even got an notification that they may be extending the tax season over this to encourage people to wait a while before filing.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13206 is a reply to message #13196] |
Mon, 16 March 2020 20:49 |
james
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The Great Dilemma...
So with the scarcity of toilet paper everywhere (the first thing to go at the stores) I've decided to help by doing a firearms exchange program.
Anyone who turns in a firearm to me will be given a roll of toilet paper. No questions asked.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13208 is a reply to message #13207] |
Mon, 16 March 2020 23:30 |
james
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Ha ha, I think you know my position on firearms ( I really like guns but haven't owned one since early 80's) so I guess it's option D...just trying to make folks smile with a touch of wiit.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13214 is a reply to message #13208] |
Tue, 24 March 2020 21:23 |
james
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When fear comes against our minds and the enemy assaults from all sides with negative, fearful thoughts...God promises peace to those who will keep our minds on Him, His Words, His promises.
"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Thee: because he trusteth in Thee." Isaiah 26:3
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13217 is a reply to message #13216] |
Wed, 25 March 2020 00:55 |
james
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Amen
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13218 is a reply to message #13217] |
Wed, 25 March 2020 17:03 |
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Yes and Amen is what I say, also. Like the post said we do not have to be fearful at what takes place.
My wife works for the Health Department, she said a lot of the people are terrified. We have had close to 12 deaths here in Indiana, they have been all random counties with people who never traveled abroad. There's a college kid that tested positive in Bloomington and they have him under quarantine at home, off campus.
Everything is shut down here except grocery stores, drive-thru restaurants, filing stations. The churches shut down for several weeks. A Pastor and close friend I know, gave his message over the internet last Sunday.
There's so many rumors on the internet you don't know what to believe. Some people are trying to say this is a government conspiracy to stop Christians from gathering. How can anyone believe that? God's Word still stands firm and we know it will never change, Thank God for that.
My wife went to the store when this first broke out and there was no vegetables, frozen or fresh, the vegans and vegetarians
hit all the stores in town. There was people who had huge carts of toilet paper, we heard of one situation where some guy got in a fight with some older lady over that last pack the manager came up and found they accidentally tore the pack all up in the process. The older lady ask the manager if she could get a discount. Seriously!!
Christians are the only group who have a Hope in this hour. I'm glad all you guys are hanging in there. We never hear much about the south unless its concerning Florida.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13222 is a reply to message #13218] |
Fri, 27 March 2020 14:30 |
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Gary
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Heard a good report in China. A Chinese Pastor said he had an older couple who lived in the area where the virus was the worst, they continue their lives normally and were believing the Lord to protect them. They came through the whole event with no symptoms. Praise the Lord.
We have up to 12 confirmed dead now in Indiana. This can be called a pestilence. Pestilence is any epidemic disease that is highly contagious, infectious, virulent and devastating.
A plague is to to harass, pester or annoy someone persistently or incessantly. A disastrous evil or affliction, hence calamity. Like the ten plagues of Egypt.
Pestilence will come upon the earth before the coming of the Lord:
Luke 21:11
11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
34 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
Jesus told us this would eventually come to pass on the earth. If this event we see happening is this tragic I cannot imagine what it will be like during the great tribulation.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13227 is a reply to message #13226] |
Mon, 30 March 2020 07:51 |
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Gary
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We had something unique happened last night. A group of Christians showed up at the hospital parking lot with a loud speaker. They started playing Christian worship songs and they were singing and praying against the virus. It was on facebook and got a very good response of comments. Many of these people were outside of their cars keeping the 6' distance rule.
There was people from several states and even as far north as Canada making comments and praying with the people. It appeared to have an anointing on it, they were out there for over five hours. I don't know how that will turn out here with the locals.
Don't know which church put this on, some groups local are meeting in spite of what the authorities are saying. People are tired on hearing the negative I guess. Some comments were talking like they were going to do this again and a lot of Christians were saying they would come to the next event.
I have so many mixed emotions about this whole situation,(concerning the virus), mainly trying to understand the mind of the Lord.
William thank you for letting me post about this to me its history in the making. Who would of thought of something this world wide happening in our lifetime. I would of never dreamed of this situation taking place.
This can go on for several ways, whether for good or bad. The Bible says, "a mans heart plans his way but the Lord directs his steps. In Daniel it shows how sovereign God is in the world, He rules in the kingdoms of men and does what He desires. Were not in control of our lives as much as we think we are. I had everything in a nice neat package how I thought it would turn out according to teachings from the Bible on the end times. I for sure had it all wrong.
God's Will shall be done on earth as He desires. I'm taking a look at all my worldly goods and they all seem worthless now, I've got a lot of stuff accumulated over the years. I'm taking everything now as a day at a time feeling a little helpless in my flesh, still recuperating and now dealing with the germ world. The Bible says when I am weak then I am strong, and God's strength is made perfect in weakness.
My Bible seems a little different now, God's Word is more alive. I'm finding out He is here for us, Praise His Holy Name. For several months I was trying to find some garden and flower seeds I had stored back. We searched the house over a number of times, downstairs and on the main level. I could not imagine what happened to those seeds. Finally my wife said we need to get them started, (inside under a plant light), as it would be time to put them out soon. We went downstairs searched the pantry, checked the garage and checked several cabinets we could of put them in, we found nothing. Then we came upstairs and checked a bunch of cabinets we thought they might be in, nothing.
Finally I called my wife into the family room and we held hands and ask Jesus to show us where those seeds were. I was thinking about this situation when less then five minutes my wife yelled out, "I found them". It happened so fast I could not believe my ears.
I should of went to the Lord in the first place, we live and learn as the old saying goes. God is faithful.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13229 is a reply to message #13227] |
Mon, 30 March 2020 16:43 |
james
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That circling of parking lots of hospitals and showing support for healthcare workers is sweeping the country, I've seen them doing it here several days last week.
I think of you often Gary, and pray for you...
Still open as of today; don't know what the future holds in regards to this Covid 19, but I DO know who does and He says to trust in Him and be not afraid, that He will give peace and wisdom...I believe Him, I believe what He has spoken, I believe He is sovereign over ALL, I believe He will keep His Word...HE ALWAYS HAS
His name is JESUS
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13230 is a reply to message #13229] |
Tue, 31 March 2020 07:35 |
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Gary
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James
Glad to hear from you. May the Lord keep His Hand upon you and your family in the days ahead.
I seen another parking lot full of Christians in Georgia last night praying and worshiping the Lord on face book, they had over 4 million people viewing it. I did not know so many were doing this, Praise God. I'm beginning to see that the Lord honors those who honor Him before men.
We have three chicken restaurants a couple of miles up the road from us. Two of them the parking lots are always empty with very few cars in the drive thru. But the third one "Chick-fil-a" is packed out the whole time they are open, two lanes at drive thru and it extends out into the road. The dining is closed now, but I'm blessed every time I go by there, because I know the Lord God is blessing them.
I hope the churches are meeting again by Easter, depends on what the Lord will do here soon. We've been listening to Kent Grimes minister on the internet for now, its a live video, and we know another pastor near us, who is on the radio.
You'll never believe this, but I got tired of listening to the messenger (modern Christian music), on siriusXM, it was the same songs over and over, so I tried listening to the Gospel Train, Bluegrass, and I kind of enjoy it for a change. Never thought I'd enjoy that style of gospel singing. I like a lot of the Southern gospel music as well. I found another station "Air One" that is modern gospel with no advertisements that is good to.
Til my strength is restored I've got a lot of idle time being on lock down in my house.
Taking one day at a time here. I had a lot of big ideas for my retirement, but the Lord has intervened and I have a different outlook now. God delivered me from religious prejudice from past teachings I'm seeing more through His eyes. In Matthew 21:18-22, we always saw the withered tree as only part of the faith message and it is true.
But after that Jesus tells the Pharisees a number of parables concerning the vineyard being removed from Israel as predicted in Is.5 and given to another nation, us the gentiles. The cursing of the fig tree is symbolic of Jesus coming to His vineyard and finding no fruit. He removed the vineyard to His church at that time. Now He's seeking fruit in His church, our lives as He mentions in the gospel of John. He's the vine were the branches. Hope that's understandable.
Anyway I see the whole church now, everyone born again, as workers in His vineyard.
Hey glad to get to chat with you here. I'll leave you with this dream a brother had a while back:
I know a brother around 88 or 89 not part of our meetings, who loves the Lord. At the beginning of winter he had a dream from the Lord.
In the dream he saw this huge black storm on the horizon, it was very fierce and intense, he had never seen clouds so black as the ones that were in this storm. It was very frightening.
That was the dream he never thought any more about it.
A few weeks ago he got up to fix breakfast and was thinking about everything going on with this virus. He said the anointing of God came on him very strong like he had never experienced. He started weeping and crying and the Lord spoke to him and said: This is the storm I showed you, speaking of the virus.
I heard this second hand and have not had a chance to talk with him, hope the details are accurate. I think there was more of the dream and what God told him.
Anyway this storm will pass soon.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13232 is a reply to message #13230] |
Wed, 01 April 2020 07:01 |
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Gary
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We now have 35 dead in Indiana, the President said that they are projecting 200,000 will die before its over in the whole country.
They are reporting that they have refrigerated semi's and they are putting the dead bodies in these for now. New York has been very hard hit.
The government has asked Americans to isolate themselves and to stay at home to help stop the spread of the virus. The problem is that so many are doing their own thing. We had 60 college students at a party that the police had to break up the group over the weekend. This has been a problem in this small community, people are off work and getting together, some families will take all the kids and go to the grocery store rather then send one adult to do the shopping. It makes you wonder what are people thinking.
I can see several things happen here in this country: because many are dying in the land many will come back to God, repenting of their sins "or" if the disease is stopped quickly many will go back to "business as usual".
This country is given over to perverseness and wickedness. We pay people millions of dollars to entertain us with their wicked lives. Christians have turned a blind eye to what is going on and in many cases join in the revelry. Pornography is a huge problem in many churches. We had a local church who had to put the pastor out because he was given over to this spirit. Some TV ads show all kinds of blatant sins now, men with men, women are always unclothed showing as much as possible. Do we not realize the Lord sees all and knows all and He knows the condition of our hearts? What are we looking at?
When one man"Achan" hid the gold in his tent, the whole nation of Israel was guilty of the sin, and many lost their lives when they went into the next battle, Joshua did not have a clue to why the Lord God did not protect them. Can we be held accountable for sin in the camp?
Should God give us healing and health when there is a little leaven in our churches? Holiness is lacking greatly in most lives. Many think going to a service or two, or a little Bible reading, is all the Lord requires in our lives. But Jesus said were to take up a cross daily. When I posted the article on John Lake it dawned on me he had forsaken all, my own life did not hold a candle to what he forsook to serve the Lord.
I had everything in a nice neat theologically correct package, but no power to manifest the Lord of glory to the world. I felt pretty good about my doctrine. But Jesus in His great mercy saw it all a little differently.
Here I set now sorting out the pieces and I'm so thankful God has given me eyes to see and ears to hear Him. Paul said; I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Reading back over the parables it shows us the Bible does not preach a once saved always saved message, they tell us that we need to strive to enter in the strait gate.
I don't think we'll be judged whether we got a flu shot or not if that will keep us out of the Kingdom, but I think the Lord is looking for different fruit in our lives. Justice, mercy, righteousness, holiness, the same thing He was looking for in Israel.
God is not mocked or deceived, what a man sows is what he will reap, he that sows to his flesh or what he sows to his spirit, this is what the Lord is interested in. The Spirit realm has nothing to do with this old world and its ways, but it only seeks after the Kingdom and God's Will on this earth. Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13243 is a reply to message #13242] |
Sat, 04 April 2020 22:40 |
james
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Another example of why I stopped reading that magazine years ago. RHB has shown by his fruit his true character... charlatan comes to mind, cut from the cloth of TB /Lakeland Revival...laughing revival.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13245 is a reply to message #13244] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 11:09 |
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Gary
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I'm totally convinced that the Lord God is in total control of everything that takes place on the earth. Billions of people live on the planet and no matter what country or even in America, if a tiny sparrow falls to the ground our Heavenly Father knows it, Matthew 10:29.
At FA we were taught to see everything through HF's eyes or you could be put out of his church. I heard it say from the pulpit that; you had no assurance of salvation if you left FA. Now with that said; I cannot lump together every single Christian in certain groups or who put articles in a certain magazine as being false heretics. Sure the leadership may be involved in falsehood, but it is possible that God could have sheep in these groups.
After Jesus told the parable of the sower the disciples came to Him and asked Him the meaning. Shortly later in another setting Jesus told them several parables concerning the church. When the disciples came to Him later they only ask Him about one of the parables, the wheat and the tares. Jesus said the wheat and the tares would grow together and at the end of the age the angels would separate the two.
From our teaching at FA, everyone was suspect, a man could be in any denomination and he was cast as possibly being lost. I know of people in the system that are truly born again and are laboring in the vineyard.
Unless someone is in direct heresy I cannot judge who is saved or lost only the Lord God knows those who are His. I agree its sad that men pour millions of dollars into things that do not profit, there has probably been billions spent on Christianity that was nothing but wasted dollars.
The bad situation is when everyone sees RHB pull some stunt they lump all of Christianity into the mix and think were all guilty. Jesus said persecution would come but its too bad many times its some bad Christian leadership that brings attention on the body of Christ. I hate seeing all this stuff the same as you guys do but its just part of the picture. My whole point of posting the article was to make everyone aware of what was taking place. It might of been a bad choice of articles on my part, I apologize if this was the situation.
It will be so grand in heaven to see only God's Will being done and we don't have to deal with all these scenarios anymore. I cannot help to think about Jesus every time He did something good someone was in His face telling Him He was breaking one of their religious rules. I'm still trying to work on my past understanding of the teaching of figuring out all the good versus's all the bad that came out of it.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13247 is a reply to message #13243] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 15:59 |
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james wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 22:40Another example of why I stopped reading that magazine years ago. RHB has shown by his fruit his true character... charlatan comes to mind, cut from the cloth of TB /Lakeland Revival...laughing revival.
I'm not sure if I said anything about him in times past or not. I did a lot of research on the Toronto Airport yrs ago. He basically started the "laughing revival" I wanted to add he received his "anointing" directly at the hands of Ken Copeland.
Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13248 is a reply to message #13246] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 16:00 |
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william wrote on Sun, 05 April 2020 15:33Hi Gary,
I had no problem with the article. . .
Very well put William.
Fires will be kindled to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in summer.”
G.K. Chesterton
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13249 is a reply to message #13248] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 18:20 |
james
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Guess I should've stayed out of that, it wasn't the article itself as much as the author and some things I've read by her before. And since I am part of a big church/assembly and we are limited to online worship and fellowship ( for now) I will leave it to y'all to hash it out. Hope I don't come across as offended, I'm certainly not, just was "saying" instead of "praying".
Actually, I should apologize for not striving to encourage and edify during this time of shaking and testing, that's what I believe I'm supposed to be doing...
Isaiah 26:3-4
Romans 8:37-39
Corona virus/ Covid 19 is included in "...nor things to come,"
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13250 is a reply to message #13249] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 19:03 |
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Hi James,
I don't get the idea that you are offended. I don't read a lot of articles and I certainly don't know the author. I do know that Howard-Brown was the one associated early on with the "laughing" revival and now, thanks to Mark, I know that he's associated with KC.
Here is my experience... about 2 or 3 weeks ago a youtube video was suggested to me (by the mysterious youtube algorithm!). It was one by RHB. Now keep in mind that everything I know about him is negative and I almost didn't click on it but for whatever reason I did and I was pretty impressed. He did some teaching (no laughing stuff!) and at some point mentioned that his job as a pastor was to make sure his church was open to those who needed ministry and that he wouldn't be shutting down.
For what it's worth, I thought that this was a reasonable stand to take especially since none of us should be giving in to the fear/panic that seems to be categorizing almost everyone. Besides, I'm from Alabama, and we are known for our contrarian ways, so when I hear or see someone going against the stream, or switching from orthodox to south-paw in a fight, then I'm all eyes and ears! Anyway, that is the extent of my involvement (or knowledge) about RBH and my interest in the whole thing was whether or not he would buckle under the heavy hand of the goberment!
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13252 is a reply to message #13251] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 20:30 |
james
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Where's the "like" button when you need it?
I see a lot of "friends" ( really family members and clients/ friends) on Facebook making encouraging statements and sharing scriptures on trusting God. While there is tons of political baloney and herd mentality quotes, it's refreshing and gives substance to the rumor that there might be Christians out there who didn't experience the " deeper life in the spirit " , yet have placed their faith in Jesus Christ as both Lord and Saviour.
I say, hallelujah... to God be the glory, may His name be magnified and May Jesus be worshiped in every heart ❤️
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13254 is a reply to message #13252] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 21:34 |
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Gary
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james wrote on Sun, 05 April 2020 20:30
While there is tons of political baloney and herd mentality quotes, it's refreshing and gives substance to the rumor that there might be Christians out there who didn't experience the " deeper life in the spirit " , yet have placed their faith in Jesus Christ as both Lord and Saviour.
They might not of heard the teaching but are living it through the "Spirit of God."
"I really appreciate all you guys"
We have some Russian friends in New York who told us today that 100 died last night in New York. Semis line the city streets. Their saying now this week should be the peak in deaths. Three weeks ago everyone in New York was non-chalant about the virus they told us, now everyone is wearing a mask and staying locked in. Our friends have been locked in for three weeks now in their apartment. Its an open door now for them to see Christ in all His glory, remember them in your prayers, Alla and Alexei.
I feel like this is what is taking place in our community people are doing what they want, not staying in, getting together in groups. May God have mercy!
We heard or participated in our first you tube service today sure does not compare to being in a group to worship the Lord, last Wednesday we joined in a "zoom" prayer meeting, if your not familiar to "zoom" you can see everybody in real time with audio and video. I guess when we can all gather together again before the Lord everyone will be very Thankful.
This is not the first time that a plague or plagues have hit America, I have been told that there was other times when people were told to stay at home while many died in this country. My wife's Grandma use to tell them stories when they were kids about what happened. Churches were shut down and no one could go out of their houses. She told them it was so bad they had a younger sister died in their house and they had to have undertakers come and get the body, they could not attend the burial. I had never heard of this happening before. Back then they did not have all the electronics which to communicate with. Times have sure changed, there is nothing new under Sun.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13255 is a reply to message #13254] |
Sun, 05 April 2020 21:58 |
james
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We've been having online service for three Sundays through the church web site and small group meetings through Zoom. Also our men's Bible study is on Tuesdays and we used Zoom this last week, I follow along from my office... well I forgot my audio was on and a client came in and all the other guys could hear my interview til our leaders wife emailed me to turn it off... funny I thought
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13256 is a reply to message #13255] |
Tue, 07 April 2020 13:17 |
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Gary
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Interesting turn of events some are now saying China purposely staged this event:
The corona virus traveled all over the world from Wuhan China, but it did not reach Beijing or Shanghai or other major cities in China. Can anyone explain how that is possible?
There are so many questions, after all, where it all started, in China, the Chinese stock market did not collapse, but the American and European markets did, and when those markets collapsed, the Chinese bought a lot of foreign stock. In all the chaos China lowered the price of their oil. Business as usual.
All roads lead back to China.
It would be interesting to know if this claim is possible that a Communist Government could bring down the economies of the world through creating a virus which they quickly got it to stop in their country without spreading any further.
China is now back to mass producing products to sell to the world.
Germ warfare is possible and could kill masses of people in a very short amount of time. Having the proof that this is what a Country is doing would be very hard to come by.
Anyway this is what some are proclaiming on the internet, don't know if it would serve any purpose for China you would think it would affect their economy.
We have a huge population of Chinese students in our area, for the purpose of attending college. Most drive brand new Porsches and BMW's. Last year a student graduated from college and his father built him an apartment complex in the city as a present for his graduation. Like someone said; if they wanted to take over the country, they would never have to fire a shot, because the Americans would just sell them everything.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13258 is a reply to message #13256] |
Wed, 08 April 2020 16:05 |
james
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I don't know if all these paranoid, everything is a conspiracy, minded people on Facebook have always been this way or if it's the fear causing irrational thinking. But either way, it's really amazing to me to read things that FB "friends" write or jump on board with, especially the political mumbo jumbo.
If professing believers would actually "believe" what we confess to believe (that God is sovereign and in control) and that as Christian we're told by Him to trust Him completely, then there'd be much more edifying and encouraging conversations going on. I know there are some, but many get caught up in the fear and have taken their focus from God and His faithfulness, to faith in man and science to stop this covid 19 virus.
Gary this isn't a response to "you", it's just my thinking on it.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13260 is a reply to message #13258] |
Wed, 08 April 2020 22:23 |
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Gary
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james wrote on Wed, 08 April 2020 16:05I don't know if all these paranoid, everything is a conspiracy, minded people on Facebook have always been this way or if it's the fear causing irrational thinking. But either way, it's really amazing to me to read things that FB "friends" write or jump on board with, especially the political mumbo jumbo.
If professing believers would actually "believe" what we confess to believe (that God is sovereign and in control) and that as Christian we're told by Him to trust Him completely, then there'd be much more edifying and encouraging conversations going on. I know there are some, but many get caught up in the fear and have taken their focus from God and His faithfulness, to faith in man and science to stop this covid 19 virus.
Gary this isn't a response to "you", it's just my thinking on it.
I agree completely, for some reason the Christian community is quick to believe the government is out to get us. I know of someone who leaves their cell phone out on the porch when they come to our house, they think the government is listening in on our conversation. I don't know how it all got started.
The thing I thought was interesting if its even true, Is the situation that in Wuhan China, the virus breaks out, spreads to the rest of the world, but to none of the major cities in China. What are the odds on that?
I'm not a big fan of face book or Google.
I was thinking about the vaccine shot, every year they want me to take it, I've always refused it. I've seen to many people who get the shot and then get sick with the flu. If someone wants the shot that's their business, but for some reason I always felt like it was be forced on everyone.
If they find a vaccine for covid 19, everybody is so worked up now, that I can see that "one" being forced on society. I hope it doesn't come to that but who knows. If someone does not want the shot they should not be forced if it comes to that.
Just thinking out loud here.
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13265 is a reply to message #13264] |
Fri, 10 April 2020 18:50 |
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william
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Quote:This virus is like a prelude to things to come, maybe to teach us to trust in the Lord for our needs and health or run to the Gov. for help unemployment etc.
No doubt.
[Isa 26:3, 9 KJV] 3 Thou wilt keep [him] in perfect peace, [whose] mind [is] stayed [on thee]: because he trusteth in thee. ... 9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments [are] in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
I wonder though, would the following verses categorize us? vs19 references the resurrection, which, to my mind, seems to indicate the time of the rapture. The sobering part: Are we just bringing forth wind with all of our efforts?
[Isa 26:17-21 KJV] 17 Like as a woman with child, [that] draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, [and] crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD. 18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen. 19 Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Blessings,
William
(btw, the whole chapter of Is 26 is relevant to this.)
I want to believe!
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| Re: Coronavirus [message #13267 is a reply to message #13265] |
Fri, 10 April 2020 23:10 |
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Gary
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Quote:This virus is like a prelude to things to come, maybe to teach us to trust in the Lord for our needs and health or run to the Gov. for help unemployment etc.
Quote:no doubt.
I wonder though, would the following verses categorize us?
Blessings,
William
Hi William, Welcome Kenster777
If the virus is doing anything its drawing all Christians closer to the Lord. He is our refuge in the time of trouble.
I was listening to a Minister say he was given a military card that has the chip, which every soldier carries one now with all his life long information, including his medical history. A Major in the military who is a brother in Christ gave him the card and told him that they eventually are wanting everyone in America to have a medical card showing their entire history, (including children getting the card), and that it would be a misdemeanor not to have it on you while in public. They have been working on this concept for years now.
In Indiana and I assume in all the states we are require to get a secure ID which is our drivers licence. We were told that you could not fly in a jet without this identification card.
With this virus I can see where the government would further extend this to include medical information, I would assume it would include if we're vaccinated as people are constantly traveling to other countries or even across this country. I can see where everyone would think its a great idea. Either way a secure ID is the beginning of showing where we exist on the map.
I have my secure ID drivers license but for the most part there is no chip on the surface, but if I hold it up to the light it looks like a small chip on the bottom right side of my card embedded inside.
The Minister went on to say that everyone knows cards can get lost or stolen, that the next step would be a chip in the right hand. Everybody but Christians will think this is a great idea. Society is slowly being brain washed with thinking this is the wave of the future.
I don't know if this will happen in our life time depending on your age, but if it keeps moving the way it is we may see it happen.
In Him,
Gary
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