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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7575 is a reply to message #7572 ] Fri, 24 December 2010 15:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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moulder wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 13:23

I'm certainly not understanding the difference James made concerning varmints and bambies and I don't think the ministry can make such distinctions either-- which highlights the point-- God ordained ministry should not be delving into areas that would have been more appropriate in the OT dispensation under Moses (I'm not even sure that it would have even worked in his case!)



Alright, please allow me to present my position about varmints verus killing game and leaving it to rot. (although, I'm sitting here shaking my head in amazment, cause I had NO IDEA these things were still an issue with any of you guys.) OK, a fellar has some cows in the pasture, coyotes are killing the calves and chasing the herd around. The fellar (well, beings how he has this big ranch maybe I should call him a 'dude'<laughing>)shoots the coyote and hangs it in a tree to help dis-suade the other coyotes from coming back in the pasture. The coyote isn't a food source so I see no ethical reason for not killing it. Same with a coon/fox/opposum in the hen house...they're varmints, not eatible. Whereas a deer/turkey/moose/elk ect. are a source of food and to just kill them for no other purpose than 'sport' or for the heck of it without harvesting the meat violates the ethics of a true hunter as well as christian ethics...In MYHumble Opinion

BUT, as we all know, I am NOT a God ordained minister and I am NOT pushing my convictions on anyone. I personally haven't killed a varmint or anything else since 1982, but like I stated earlier in trying to share my thoughts, if I was hungry and needed food and the situation was such that the only way was to kill it...I'd have absolutely no problem doing it, plus dressing it out.

And if a Christian can put down cats and dogs for a living without it violating their consciences, that's their business. imo

btw: It is OK to kill a gray or brown mouse...no white ones. Laughing

I don't have any exposed nerves in these discussions, so maybe I'll just ease back a bit and let ya'll hash out whatever ya feel needs to be dealt with. Having not been part of FA 'proper' maybe I got over or wasn't hurt as bad as some. Or maybe then again I am not aware of it. I do state my convictions pretty boldly, but I only have one purpose in being on this forum and that's to share what God gives me and learn from others...and believe me, I've learn a lot and been strenghened here over the last 3 years.

Lord Bless...


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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7576 is a reply to message #7575 ] Fri, 24 December 2010 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 15:37

Alright, please allow me to present my position about varmints verus killing game and leaving it to rot. (although, I'm sitting here shaking my head in amazment, cause I had NO IDEA these things were still an issue with any of you guys.) OK, a fellar has some cows in the pasture, coyotes are killing the calves and chasing the herd around. The fellar (well, beings how he has this big ranch maybe I should call him a 'dude'<laughing>)shoots the coyote and hangs it in a tree to help dis-suade the other coyotes from coming back in the pasture. The coyote isn't a food source so I see no ethical reason for not killing it. Same with a coon/fox/opposum in the hen house...they're varmints, not eatible. Whereas a deer/turkey/moose/elk ect. are a source of food and to just kill them for no other purpose than 'sport' or for the heck of it without harvesting the meat violates the ethics of a true hunter as well as christian ethics...In MYHumble Opinion


I'm laughing too James, especially about your distinction between varmints and cows... Someone needs to call up Jim Trout and tell him that he didn't need to feel compelled to eat those things that you are describing as varmints--coons & possums!

Sides, if coon huntin is an honorable sport for us up & overcomers, let's you & me go a'coon hunting tonite! Be careful tho... you accidentally shoot my dog I ain't a'going to let you eat ole Redbone... even if you do feel morally obliged! <grin>

Really though, I haven't given this subject any thought for many years; it is a dead issue for me too with the exception of its value in showing how ridiculous it is for men-- who may otherwise be called of God to minister His Word-- to be dictating (from the PULPIT) whether or not a woman should be carrying a purse with long straps because he thought the long straps too closely resembled those carried by prostitutes! (I kid you not!)

Anyway, I'm going to see if I can find a couple of Jerry Clower's tapes in lieu of the coon hunt tonight... it's getting a bit chilly here, and until we can settle on whether or not we can sip on some of that instant heat, I'm staying inside!

Blessings,
William

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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7577 is a reply to message #7576 ] Fri, 24 December 2010 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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moulder wrote on Fri, 24 December 2010 16:38



I'm laughing too James, especially about your distinction between varmints and cows... Someone needs to call up Jim Trout and tell him that he didn't need to feel compelled to eat those things that you are describing as varmints--coons & possums!

Jim Trout, now that name brings back great memories, Jim came down and hunted with me a few times...What a humble solid brother. Yep, he'd eat bout anything; but to be honest, so have I, back in my youth.(my dad was raised in the depression era and they were poor before it hit, he believed in teaching me how to survive off the land and a solid work ethic...I'm thankful)

Sides, if coon huntin is an honorable sport for us up & overcomers, let's you & me go a'coon hunting tonite! Be careful tho... you accidentally shoot my dog I ain't a'going to let you eat ole Redbone... even if you do feel morally obliged! <grin>

I gotta admit, I still carry a bit of a grudge against that ole fat man in red, and if 'em we were to run across him tonight and I had a gun...I'd solve the 'problem with christmas'...course I'd eat Rudolph. HO, HO, HO...

Really though, I haven't given this subject any thought for many years; it is a dead issue for me too with the exception of its value in showing how ridiculous it is for men-- who may otherwise be called of God to minister His Word-- to be dictating (from the PULPIT) whether or not a woman should be carrying a purse with long straps because he thought the long straps too closely resembled those carried by prostitutes! (I kid you not!)

I'll leave that one alone...

Anyway, I'm going to see if I can find a couple of Jerry Clower's tapes in lieu of the coon hunt tonight... it's getting a bit chilly here, and until we can settle on whether or not we can sip on some of that instant heat, I'm staying inside!

Down here in de 'heart of dixie' the instant heat many SIP on, is called Jim Beam. Smile



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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7580 is a reply to message #7577 ] Sat, 25 December 2010 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Before I can make a bold statement the question would have to be answered, was FA established by a Apostle? If not then there would be no FA.

But at the same time the signs of the Assembly, Apostolic anointing were evident. Such as gifts , Revelation. etc.

One point to bring out is that a Apostle and Prophet establis Apostolic authority. HEF was to a hidden degree seen to be a Prophet. No man could do the great things he did without a anointing.

Meaning out of the will of God. His demonstration of the Spirit was his badge of authority showing he was going in God's direction. No one could do these things except God be with him.

Remember the story of the policeman who said will you please slow down. If he had no authority the person would just keep on driving crazy. That was a good teaching. All bible teaching must come forth with authority. I personally recognise that a truth taught from the word of God is to be obeyed.

Please take a moment to reflect on the baby died issue. What a tremendous pressure a minister is under when he teaches have the baby at home, and then the person didn't have the faith.

As we all know the results were disasterous. I saw personally the handcuffs on the great man of God. It wasn't his fault, he was trying to get his people to seek the Lord (on a serious level) before things like that happened.

It really seems that what was legalism in appearance was actually a authoritative means of getting people to respond before problems could arise. It also appears that that mindset could have caused others to misunderstand and become legalistic.

My personal hopes of this whole looking back is that people will stay with the teachings that are profitable and meeting the requirements of the Lord ---not just a man-- But God's standards of righteousness. Overcomers are required to meet those standards whether something went wrong or not. Time is so short we don't have time to go hunting but proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom--- didn't say here you can't go hunting. We all have time to seek the Lord as to what he wants for us, and that is still under the free choice act.

Some will bare fruit 30 fold, 60, 100. but in Jn. 15:1-7 may all fruit we bring forth be from him, as the rest will be burned.
Matt. 7:22-23 here we have those who professed to do good works and yet Jesus says I don't know you. If we do the good things required of us we will have the Lord's words thou good and faithful servant enter into the joy of the Lord.

??? do we have to be a good and faithful servant to enter the joy of the Lord, or can we just be lip confessors that we are just born again. This question for the most part must cause us to say I need to meet all requirements of righteousness. That can be confused for legalism, especially in view that the Lord could come tomorrow night. But the decisions we make to do quickly what we have to do must be done from the heart. We must allow others space to respond, that can cause mistakes in handling the situation properly. The cost of being a minister is tremendous--could go to jail for others mistakes, a true sign that strong prayers and supplications be made for all your members.


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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7581 is a reply to message #7580 ] Sat, 25 December 2010 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Please take a moment to reflect on the baby died issue. What a tremendous pressure a minister is under when he teaches have the baby at home, and then the person didn't have the faith.


Okay, I've reflected on it.

Now the only question I have for you is this: IS THIS WHAT YOU THINK A MINISTER SHOULD BE TEACHING?

William


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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7583 is a reply to message #7416 ] Sat, 25 December 2010 10:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brodave wrote . . .

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was FA established by a Apostle? If not then there would be no FA.




Brodave, who was the apostle that you think established Faith Assembly?
What were his "signs of an apostle" ?



Please be careful to not "dumb down" the meaning of "apostle" or
else you will end up accepting the alleged apostles all over modern Christendom.



Jman




Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7597 is a reply to message #7583 ] Sun, 26 December 2010 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't remember Bro. Freeman ever professing to be an Apostle. I believe his calling and anointing was as a teacher...
He did prophesy, but I don't recall him claiming he was a prophet.(others may have thought he was)I do believe many things he prophesied have came to pass.

Before I get asked to list which prophesies that he gave have come to pass...I'll clarify my statement by saying many of the admonitions, exhortations, warnings, encouragments, he gave concerning getting The Word into our hearts, learning to walk by faith, and what would happen in the future to people who didn't. I see this all around today, people who once said "Lord. we'll follow you wheresoever you lead"; "A-men, Praise The Lord for opening our eyes to truth"; and confessed Ps. 91 as their 'assurance'; and God as their healer and deliverer, are nowhere to be found...well, maybe down at the local First________Church, right back into what they once sought deliverance from. He said those who didn't get faith into their hearts and didn't embrace, from the HEART, the message of The Cross(crucified life/set apart unto Jesus) would run right back Babylon when the time of trial and testing comes. How accurate was that? Spot on, I'd say.


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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7598 is a reply to message #7416 ] Sun, 26 December 2010 12:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I remember it that Bro. Freeman said he was
a 5-fold teacher and 5-fold pastor.

Jman




Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7601 is a reply to message #7598 ] Mon, 27 December 2010 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I made a statement that you all misunderstood. As before this can happen as communication is difficult.

The reason Apostle was mentioned, was I thought it was said that a Apostle must be the one who established doctrine or something like that. The reply was that being it understood that a Apostle establishes a Assembly, and that faith Assembly seems to have been established by HEF, It would seem that it was not neccessary , for the words of HEF doctrinally were sufficient.

To clarify--- Dr. F. was enough authority for his doctrines. He always said he was led of the Spirit in all of his studies. All members had no question about this.

As concerning the baby issue, it is only one aspect of many choices which one who walks by faith will make. It is to be of great help to all members, to renounce all ties with medical science, that is the title of the message. The body of the message is to review all the diffewrent avenues one must avoid concerning medical science.

Many messages of seperation from the world were designed to make it easy for saints to make choices in their lives. Sometimes a message didn't apply-- at least not right away. For example a message about God's requirements may not profit one who is single until they one day may marry. It was still good to know even if it could be used to help others as we are all called teachers, though not the 5-fold teacher.

By the way the only reason to bring up the baby issue was to show that there can be a tremendous load on the body even persecution, because some wallydaggle in desiding to take a step of faith. That can put pressure on a minister to get a little firm in his convictions. There is no problems so big until one seeks the Lord.

Small statements like Shepherdship, and legalism when used without a gentle well spoken and thought of statement can easily be misinterpreted to be saying FA was a cult. Even what is written here can be easily taken wrong.

To be clear FA was not a cult
not a Shepherdship movement
not a legalistic ministry
And like it says concerning issues that should not be taken to court but settled among brethren privately.

We all have to pray about our views of FA, and see if we are on God's side or not, for we would not want to touch the Lord's anointed, even when he is gone on to where he cannot speak himself.


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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7602 is a reply to message #7416 ] Mon, 27 December 2010 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brodav - Please pray about your attitude towards
the "Wallydaggles" who lost loved ones in "faith-tragedies."

They were living the Word the best they knew how.
Many were as sincere as you or I back then.

There are profound questions that we, the F.A. diaspora, still
cannot answer about those deaths.

It is not for sure that all blame lies upon the families
that experienced the tragedies.

Someday we might find out that little or zero blame belongs upon them.


Jman





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wishing34 wrote on Mon, 27 December 2010 21:01

Brodav - Please pray about your attitude towards
the "Wallydaggles" who lost loved ones in "faith-tragedies."

They were living the Word the best they knew how.
Many were as sincere as you or I back then.

There are profound questions that we, the F.A. diaspora, still
cannot answer about those deaths.

It is not for sure that all blame lies upon the families
that experienced the tragedies.

Someday we might find out that little or zero blame belongs upon them.

Jman



Hear, hear!


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Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7604 is a reply to message #7602 ] Tue, 28 December 2010 00:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't know if this input will matter or not, but I will share what is on my heart. This struck a chord in me as to what happened with some of the sisters who lost a dear child.

Upon returning to the meeting at FA years ago, I could tell it was very awkward for one of the sisters who had just lost a newborn. I approached her in the nursery and said, "I know you were faithful." With tears in her eyes, she grabbed me, hugged me, and said, "Amen, yes I was!" I sat down with her and held her. Other sisters were quick to come and minister as well.

I will never forget that moment. At the time, she chose to continue to believe even though she had just lost her baby. Also, she believed she had given it her all in believing in the situation.

This, to me, seems relevant to the times of FA. However, I just talked with another sister the other night and she said the same thing after all of these years about the loss of her dear child some twenty-five years ago. I reminded her that some of her statements, that seemed so simple, took years of theology and trials to be able to say such things. She laughed and agreed.

Both of these dear sisters did/have not questioned God about the loss of their children. As far as I can see, they both are still walking by faith and believing God for some very serious things.

I guess my observation has been that death, when believing, is not always failure. These are not easy things to answer, or to express, and I don't think they can be neatly summed up...IMHO.

If so, one could say that Dr. Freeman's death was failure in someway...and I don't believe that. I believe he died believing and that God had a bigger plan. I believe He still has a much bigger and more wonderful plan than we can know, at least for now.

I know that many will be able to shoot holes in what I just shared if they feel that faith is a neat formula. In any case, both of the sister's faithfulness, in the face of death, is an awesome blessing to me. I think we need this kind of "blind" faith today for persecution and for what is ahead.

I believe that we will not always understand exactly the way God moves when we believe by faith. The most important thing is to simply believe regardless, and allow Him to move and use us even when we don't "get it" or comprehend what He is doing. In my terms, I call it "flying by the seat of your pants." I know that in some cases in my life, I will only understand in eternity as to why some things have happened in my life. I know, for sure, that He is in control...that is all that matters.

"When I return, will I find faith?"

I don't think that I am as elequant, as some, when it comes to expressing myself. I hope, in someway, that this testimony will minister to others as it has to me all of these years.

I believe that faith goes beyond the receiving realm in this lifetime. I believe that He delights in the kind of faith where questions are everywhere, but we still choose to trust.

I know that most here at OO have heard all of this before. If anything, I pray everyday personally for this kind of faith and for His body of believers.



Shalom,

GWB

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Yes, I believe you are right.

I guess that there may have been some at FA that were there for reasons other than discipleship, but I personally didn't know them.

It seemed to me that we all had a common goal and many sacrificed dearly to be there and while it has been said that sincerity doesn't count for much because of the possibility of being sincerely wrong, I do think that the sincerity of our fellow brothers and sisters--when it came to serving God-- will not be forgotten by our great Saviour Jesus Christ!

Blessings,
William


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Gillyann,

Thanks for sharing what is in your heart, I admire your courage. Eloquence isn't what Jesus desires, He's seeking those who will simply believe and follow, yes even in the face of death.

I want to say that even today we see through a glass, darkly; but one day face to face with JESUS, we only know in part today, but then we'll know even as we're known...FAITH is following even when we don't understand...

How will people know we are HIS disciples? By our intelect? Our eloquence? Our ability to quote scripture? By always having to be right even at the cost of throwing others under the bus? NO...By this shall all men know we're HIS disciples, by our LOVE one for another.
We MUST have faith, but without love our faith is dead. Remember Jesus said this...if we can't love each other whom we can 'see', it's self deception to think we truly love God Whom we can't. When we love Him, we will trust Him.

"but the greatest of these is love."


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Just wanted all to know, that the last thing in the world that I would do is criticise others who come up slower than others.

The general statement wally gaggers is easily applied to where it fits, but we can never really know who one of those are. Not that it doesn't come out in those who depart the faith.

Personally I have sat in the hospital beside a person who chose to go to the Dr. and was there to encourage them. In my thinking a person is in a warfare that was a little difficult for them. Every person has a reason for why they do what they do.

Everyone can always say it was the grace of God alone that caused a manifestation of faith.

Have had experiences myself where tried to bring a person out of the wheel chair and they said they believed but they had to sit back down. It must have been a great disapointment to them as well as I. God moves when he choses and he alone knows the heart

The revelation of the fear of God that Has been brought my way is that there's plenty of grace but at the same time not forever. That means when the Lord returns will there be faith in the earth. As a example we all have to be overcomers. That is sobering. We have to be without spot, wrinkle or blemish.

He isn't expecting to return to deliver us from demons or heal our body, that is our responsibility. In actuality we must be found fulfilling the great comission. Only the Holy Spirit can make a analysis of us and reveal it. That way like David said( search my heart and see if there be any wicked way in me. It is difficult to discern ourselves.

Heard this in sermon be hard on self and gentle on others---love that. The goal is that being we have and are learning so many things may they end up as righteous activity in our lives.

The understanding that the Lord has given me is many of his sheep do not know why they learned Theology or doctrine. This is a aside statement from the rest of the post. It is not for criticism only to let you know he has revealed this. The main reason is because he continues to teach by the Spirit, and has never ceased dealing with his flock.
There is the direction to move in. Where is the Lord taking us---if he choses to use a man so be it. If not he will tell us.

The Spirit is not confusion, he will reveal his will. We must walk in the light he has given and of coarse not reject it. Todays times some will only obey God. That won't work-- he uses 5-fold ministry.
It was important to understand that one must be set in a body. If he says leave you may. that helped denominational thinking where one can just leave when they please when they pick or chose what to obey or not. That is not easy to swallow until one has decided that they must hear God's Spirit. For the most part people become spectators and don't participate. It can be difficult to hear God at times so we understand some just sit.

I'm just as guilty of this in the past. Should have been more led by the Spirit to function. I still believe it is God's heart that a people will come together for the purpose of manifesting the manifold wisdom of God. FA was a good example of this operation.


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What a joyful morning because the Lord's mercies are new and fresh every morning.

The Lord is faithful this morning, and has revealed something marvelous which follows the posts to this point.

While outside in the dark this morning, while walking the dog, was looking up at the sky. The clouds were completely covering the sky, but 2 things were poking through. The crescent moon and a star. That's something to see, all clouds and the 2 luminaries seen through it.

The question came to me what do you see? I answered what I saw. Then it came what was supposed to see. Do you see a bow and arrow? Studied it and yes saw it. The moon was in the bow position and the star at the left of it was the tip of the arrow.

What a neat understanding. That's all got till the Lord had led to this scripture. 1Sam.2:4 the bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.

2 things here:
1. the word stumbled. Through weakness of legs esp. the ankle, to fall or faint, cast down.
2. the word gird. to bind up. in a positive sense.
3. The scriptures reveal that the gates of hades shall not prevail against the church.
why is that? One reason is because we are supplied with sufficient supply of grace and mercy.

2nd thing.
What is the strength?

That the Lord will deliver us from stumbling and restore us by his grace. Thereby the bows of the enemy are broken.
Mercy allows us to get back up and ask for God to help us if we stumbled or fell. Like the fire darts mentioned concerning the armor of God, Our faith shall quench them. The Lord will strengthen us. The joy of the Lord is our strength.

Joy is knowing we are forgiven for stumbling through things to difficult for us. Just like Peter who was sinking, Jesus reached down and lifted Peter up. That by the way was the arm of God pulling him up. It is a arm of power and strength. It is the arm of commitment to help his beloved sheep who are having a difficult time. Truly the heavens declare the glory of God. love to you.

1Sam. 2:9 Do you see the relation here about the gates of hades not prevailing. v.8 The creation idea expresses just how much power God has, and yet his power is infinite, that's why he says in Isaiah, the nations are a drop in the bucket. His power has no limits.


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When I finally left FA in 1987, a friend and I went to see Bruce and we had all kinds of questions for him--as you can well imagine. Up until this point we had been told to not speak to him or anyone else who had left FA--for fear of getting that same demon of unbelief.

Well, we asked him why he left and he said it was when Dr. Freeman started teaching on the Deeper Deliverance--and took the whole body through deliverance one night--and the teachings had gotten so far out in left field, that he could not agree with it. He said he stood in the back of the building that night Freeman preached this message, and Bruce said he just shook his head, thinking "this is too far."

In other words, Bruce said, in the end, it was over the deeper deliverance. If I thought harder, I could probably come up with more detail about what he said, but that's what I remember. And I also remember thinking at the time how wise Bruce was--that he saw it clearly before we did.

It seems like he said he thought Dr. Freeman was trying so hard to figure out why so many had died, and came up with the concept that we all needed to go through this deeper deliverance.

Well, it didn't help in my case, because I lost a baby after the so called dd.
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Could anyone please refresh my memory
w/r what topics were part of deeper deliverance?

thanks.

Jman
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In the Faith Publications catalog under Deeper Deliverance and Discernment (Series O-261) there are 12 teachings:

1. The Work of Demons of Flesh? The Fear of God or a Spirit of Fear?
2. Discerning and Dealing with Multiple Personalities, No. 1
3. Discerning and Dealing with Multiple Personalities, No. 2
4. Trying Lying Spirits and Discerning Deceiving Demons
5. Testing the Talk, Proving the Prophecies, Discerning the Dreams
6. The Devices of Satan and the Depths of Satan
7. The Seven-headed Serpent; Closing Open Doors to Medical Science
8. Closing Open Doors
9. Deliverance from the Effects of Our Past
10. Deliverance from Deceptions, No. 1
11. Deliverance from Deceptions, No. 2
12. Deliverance from Deceptions, No. 3


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7674 is a reply to message #7673 ] Wed, 09 February 2011 22:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Outofaith: "Well, it didn't help in my case, because I lost a baby after the so called dd."


Outofaith, I am so very sorry for the loss of your dear baby. So many of us here at OO are searching for answers for those who were hurt or had bad experiences. We are also searching and reviewing why those things happened for ourselves.

Many have different opinions. The main thing is that we have learned here at OO is that mercy and grace towards those who were hurt go a long way as we pray for God to heal your heart for your loss.

I just want to gently encourage you to not throw everything out that we learned at FA. At one time I did. God put me in a life and death position concerning spells and curses from Satanists in my area. I found myself falling back on so much of what I learned at FA to defeat Satan and his coharts in the situation. I rely on the teachings daily as He protects my family and ministers to those bound by Satanism.

We are all here to listen and learn from each other whether we agree or agree to disagree.

I respect your honesty and position. I hope we hear more from you, on any topic, in the future.

[Updated on: Wed, 09 February 2011 22:34]


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: Church politics ? Bruce Kinsey [message #7675 is a reply to message #7674 ] Thu, 10 February 2011 08:46 Go to previous message
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Two of many things being learned in the faith walk.

1. respect for authority.
2. discernment.
Yesterday a girl learned a hard lesson. She picked up her bottle of pills at the Pharmacy. She brought them home and without reading the label took them. (reminds of the statement--no warning on the label) The Pharmacy gave her the wrong pills. Discernment is a very valuable tool to protect us.

Obeying authority is also valuable. The issue is bigger than just one situation. It cannot be counted on ten fingers how many times it has been heard by many people who say--"I was a Christian but now I'm a mormon or some other religion.

1Tim. 4:1 says that there are seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. 1,000s of people who were legitimate Christians now believe Jesus died a sinner. That is why we must be discerning and obey authority. Even the president of the U.S.A. gets the hand clap if all agree and booo if they don't. He is still our president. We are taught to pray for and respect him. How much more they of the household of God . it says they are worthy of double honor. 1Tim. 5:17

One of the biggest way to discern is by the help of the Holy Spirit. then we can use a little thinking on our part. That is limited of coarse, but we can look at a thing in a opposite way.
In this case --should I have gone to visit someone? should I reject the deliverance message? Was there maybe another reason why I lost something dear to me.

We may sometimes be making a wrong confession about something. When anything happens in life that we didn't cause it can be said by us all things work together for good. The story of Job shows the loss of things. But when his faith was matured he received twice as much before. He maintained a praise and good atitude, though he did have his faith tested.

Deliverance is not for just casting out demons. It is for the glory of God to remove those dark things that are in our lives driving us to do dark things. We aren't free from things from the past though we are free by faith. Faith includes our control of ourselves so that we assist God in our becoming righteous to his standard of holiness. We sometimes don't take serious that we can acquire new demons. We are in a battle continually. Warfare is a ongoing thing and that happens in a Assembly that is in active moving towards God's will plans and purpose to challenge the powers of darkness.

Hab. 3:17-18 is a real example of warfare. Faith is a real despised message and the devil will try to convince us we don't have it. So by praising God we maintain that atitude of faith until it does manifest. praise is a manifest of our hope in God. We wouldn't praise if we didn't hope. Heb. 11:1 faith is the substance of things hoped. praise is the confidence that we have that hope of faith. It will have to manifest the answer of receiving the promise claimed.

The trials are to bring the opposite of joy. Then comes heaviness and lack of confidence. By praising and thanking--in truthfulness, we maintain a confident faith. All the message posted here is love not rebuke. If you forget all else please remember the last paragraph.


faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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