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tips on parenting [message #7608] Tue, 28 December 2010 23:43 Go to next message
David Coleman  is currently offline David Coleman
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We all probably know what works. Also we learn by our mistakes.

1. There is a proper time for a command.
a. not when we want the kids to do something.
b. not out of a selfish motive.
c. not to embarress or show others our power.

2. How can we deal with them?

kids respond to love. They have feelings and don't always understand. All they know is you are giving a order out of your thinking.
They may not agree. They don't really have the right to question, but also they do.
What if a stranger told them to do something, we would be glad then that they questioned.

How will we ever get them to sit on our lap or gather for truth if they don't feel comfortable around us. Jesus as a child instructed elders. For me I am all ears for anything my kids want to say. If a child is moved by the Holy Spirit we just may get instructed.

My grand daughter did that once. was just early 5 in age.

As someone was talking about cookies, she didn't hear them. She was busy talking to me , she turned around and offered a cookie. She wasn't aware someone nearby was talking about cookies. Nor aware that the Lord gave me a revelation which included the word cookies. The imprint still remains in my heart because the Lord wants me to never forget what he showed me.

Many times the children show their heart to me because they feel comfortable. Was not embarressed when my daughters friend said to her, your dad is cool. that resulted in he and I sitting down together playing six string gospel music. bottom line children are so sweet and love them very much.

They need a friend not a dictator-- don't forget that please. I was raised under the policy children are to be seen and not heard. Maybe that's why it is difficult to communicate. Kids need to learn to be not rude but also feel welcome to participate, that works if they are trained to wait their turn. Just like when you are going to prophesy, each one in turn gives their gift. Two cannot talk at one time.

Bottom line is the world can be a lot of fun but we must reveal a greater interest. If not they will reject us. By the way quit confessing over them they are rebelious. Death and life are in the power of the tongue. God bless all parents with grace to raise up those quivers of arrows.--- they are blessings.


faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
Re: tips on parenting [message #7625 is a reply to message #7608] Sat, 15 January 2011 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
james  is currently offline james
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I'm thinking, based on the ages of most on the forum, that 'Tips on grand parenting' might be more apropos... Laughing


“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
Re: tips on parenting [message #7626 is a reply to message #7625] Sat, 15 January 2011 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
william  is currently offline william
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Speak for yourself old man! <grin>


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Re: tips on parenting [message #7627 is a reply to message #7626] Sat, 15 January 2011 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Coleman  is currently offline David Coleman
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grand parenting seems for the most part to be headed towards spoiling children. The spiritually mature seem to be a little mature sometimes to come down to being on there level.

What is a shame is from my visual views and observances (i'm a grandparent) is that in certain churches while in the restroom, young people were in there. There were not a few. They were discussing things that I won't mention but you really don't want to hear what that was.

The church that my wife and I got married in, went into shepherdship movement. The youth---almost all of them would go to the back of the building on youth night and were kissing and smoking.

I used to be a deacon at that church until excommunicated for talking about (the faith message). It is something to watch young people fall under the power, and a short time later divorces and sexual promiscuity. For the most part people turn evil after they fall under the power.

My question is how can Benny Hinn lay hands on people and they fall under the power at the same time preaching that Jesus died on the cross as a sinner. That math adds up to him blaspheme the Holy Spirit and doing signs of power.

The happy hunters did the same while all the congregation was watching a vision at the same time of a bird flying accross the room. Only know of the possibility of one person having a vision at a time not everyone seeing the vision. Perhaps that is why all people see Mary at one time.

Would add that should enjoy children and through wisdom dewal with each life situation. One example is that they know they shouldn't be experimenting with things you do in marriage wedlock, they want to so they will. They need to know

A. the ethical side of things.
1. marriage creates a unbrakable bond, instead of a temporary satisfaction.
2. That if the bible reveals you shouldn't do things it is for your benefit and a path to a continual relationship with God.
3. temptation starts with Satan and he has plans for your destruction even if it is not just now but a few days or years down the road of life.

One example of this is one fellow I knew in youth. He told of his freind who was such a addict of drugs that when he overdosed, he went to have his stomach pumped. The Drs. were amazed. He had enough dope in him to kill a Elephant. They cut a hole in his throat to remove destructive things and he had to breath through the throat to live. Satan had him bound he went on using drugs after all that.

One thing to consider---if you go to church--1000's of them--- if they don't know God--- there will be two things to deal with

1. a moving towards God in a small but true way, which Satan will be forced to stop.
2. a deeper disatisfaction because you are going there looking for hope and not finding it. This breeds depression
3. a non relationship with God is no life at all, perhaps a mind filled with religious knowledge.

The only hope is knowing Jesus in a personal relationship then there is full satisfaction. the joy of God in the heart is a strength that will bring you all the satisfaction you ever need.
we are only safe with true knowledge of God. We need to be in a place where the Holy Spirit is feeding us and leading us in a path of life that will result in a fulfilment of the purpose as to why we were created.

We will also be happy because we love the children and all the other people in our life. We take up our cross and follow him daily. we put self to death. Then comes that rich wonderful abundant life that only God alone can give. halleluia. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
Re: tips on parenting [message #7628 is a reply to message #7608] Sun, 16 January 2011 04:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wishing34  is currently offline wishing34
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"how can Benny Hinn lay hands on people and they fall under the power" . . .w/r JDS

Maybe they fall via the "power" of suggestion and
there was no spiritual power there at all - purely an ability
within the normal human mind (the falling people's minds , not Hinn's).

Much religious demonstration is playing on natural human
behaviors that are considered, in error, the be supernatural.

I do not think Hinn's demonstration of people falling down is
supernatural.

Falling down is not a sign/miracle.

To think falling down is always supernatural
would open us up to be too easily impressed
by future ministries yet to come on the scene.


Jman



Re: tips on parenting [message #7629 is a reply to message #7628] Sun, 16 January 2011 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
David Coleman  is currently offline David Coleman
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Several years ago the falling under the power started. Even for me was not under the faith message. My close brother in the Lord when he went under the power he had visions while laying there.

He was at the same time going home and having fights with his wife. He was very shook up by his experience though. By first hand experience I have fallen under the power and it was a real power not just suggestion.

One of the reports from Brownsville was that people were being thrown literally accross the room. Some even got hurt but they said if that is the way God wants to do it then it's okay. One lady where I went fell and banged her head on the pew and they carried her to the hospital by ambulance.

If you haven't been to these strange meetings it is not recomended. to get around occult powers is dangerous just to feed curiosity. Then if you haven't been you'll only be guessing as to what it is and all that.

The bible says in the last days(now) there will be false prophets who do great signs and if it were possible deceive the very elect. The main reason for mentioning Hinn was because the two greatest things that are leading our youth away from the truth is temptations and false ministers. The youth for the most part are not willing to descern the false like those who have had a good diet of truth.

The youth today are so into rock music that they cannot see that it is a mixture against true worship. As it is those in the church today go and sing and make music at church but don't worship the Lord the way he wants to be worshipped. That's not to criticise , but once the supernatural is excluded it is just flesh. Would add that you have to start somewhere, so if the heart is moved enough by good inner heart touching music and words about God one can make headway into the presence of God. It is needed though to have a clean heart to enter God's presence. Inner spirits must be dealt with if they would hinder. deliverance is supernatural to , so that eliminates more people from the worship in truth and Spirit group.


faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
Re: tips on parenting [message #7630 is a reply to message #7608] Sun, 16 January 2011 15:09 Go to previous message
wishing34  is currently offline wishing34
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When someone falls down and reports their feelings and/or visions it proves nothing.
It may or may not have been really the work of God.

All humans are subject to great surges of emotion given the proper input.

Examples:
When they think God has walked into the room
When they think God has spoken inside their mind for the first time
If they think God has just made them fall down
If patriotic - seeing the flag along with The Battle Hymn of the Republic song
whenever Lassie the dog saves the day and makes it back home <-especially with music


It is a bio-chemical thing inside the brain.

=========================================================

If God really did walk into the room (real theophony) then
there would be a surge of emotion within a person's mind.

If the person thought (in error) that God walked in then
the same surge of emotion would still happen.

Same with visions -> real visions compared with images from the person's human
intellect - both will cause the same emotional responses as long as the
person truly believes it was a supernatural vision.

The emotions DO NOT prove that something supernatural happened.
They prove the person thought that something supernatural happened.

If we validate/accept supernatural events based upon emotions felt
by the people telling the story then we are being undiscerning.


Jman
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