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| Insurance as required by law [message #6106] |
Thu, 01 October 2009 09:33  |
 james
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In reading Joe Brenneman's blog today,(pastor of current FA) the concern about government required insurance came up.( health insurance, in this case). I believe in obeying God in all things, and that includes being subject to the laws of the land...as long as they don't cause me to disobey God. This raises an issue with many christians who want to trust God for protection, safety, healing, life, employment, ect. Most insurances are optional, at this point, and we can chose not to purchase them. wheather life insurance, health insurance, disability insurance, workers comp insurance(although sometimes small business owners and self employed folks have to carry it for employees as well as liability, when required by law). But in many states auto insurance is a requirement, at least liability insurance. So what does a christian do? Don't own an automobile anymore and use public transportation? Disobey the law and drive without it and 'hope' you don't get pulled over and checked? Or obey the law and just not put your trust in the insurance as your protection?
I'm not setting myself up as the perfect example here, but I would like to share what, I believe, The Holy Spirit lead me to do, after prayer for wisdom and direction. When the state of Alabama pasted this law(I think around mid 1990's) I purchased auto insurance from the cheapest source(for me Geico)and just what was required by law, liability in X amount of coverage. Now that covers the obedience to the law of the land; so I continue to trust The Lord for protection as always, trusting in His promises and covering myself with The Blood of Jesus. He has protected me and I have never had an accident since putting my trust in Him in 1981, by His grace. But should he see fit to allow me be tried in that area, I wouldn't use the insurance.
I think that's what I would do should the government start requiring all citizens to purchase health insurance, I would do what's required to comply with the law, but not use it. Just continue to trust The Lord as my healer and health. We have to make ethical decisions daily, there's always conflicts between the principles Jesus taught for believers to follow, and the way the world functions and what the majority does. Will it cause those around us to roll their eyes and call us nuts? Probably,... who cares?
Any comments? thoughts? testimonies? Other views or opinions?
" Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
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| Re: Insurance as required by law [message #6109 is a reply to message #6106 ] |
Sat, 03 October 2009 11:36  |
Sage
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I would agree with you James, just because the government would require us to have health insurance doesn't mean we have to use it. Jesus has been so faithful to me over the years and I would see no reason to stop trusting Him just because we would have health insurance. If anything I would think it would cause christians to start looking to Jesus more, as the health insurance may not be everything they think it will be. It would be just one more step closer to Anti-Christ being revealed. How? I can't say for sure, but whenever people get freedoms taken away, ie choosing not to have insurance, there is more control from the government and more ability for people to see what people do. There is talk of having all ones medicals records be recorded on their drivers license or identification cards. Even now there is alot of information on drivers licenses. This is not a time to put trust in anything government, but rather to look at the promises of the Bible and see that Jesus has provided everything we need to live. There is healing, deliverance, freedom from fear and oppression, promises for God to supply our daily bread, health, and anything else you can think of.
God has not given us the spirit of fear. Listen to people at work, how afraid many are of contacting the swine flu. All we hear promoted is about this world wide plague of the swine flu, but we are promised that no plague shall come high our dwelling. Read Ps. 91 to see all the tremendous promises God gives us. A thousand shall fall at our side and ten thousand at our right hand, but it shall not come nigh us. Thank you, Jesus!
The government health plan cannot promise us that. No health plan can promise us that. We serve a mighty God who loves us and has provided for us by the blood of Jesus, so isn't it past time for many of us to stop listening to the lies of Satan through the government, talk shows, TV shows, newspapers, magazines, co-workers, friends, and look to the unfailing promises we have been given in God's word and start believing them! It is one step at a time, one day at a time and sometimes it seems like one minute at a time, but we can do it because God has promised us in His word that He that begun a good work in us will complete it.
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| Re: Insurance as required by law [message #6120 is a reply to message #6109 ] |
Mon, 12 October 2009 11:22 |
james
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Speaking of swine flu,(or H1N1 for those who don't want to cause a decline in the sales of pork) Saturday I was involved with about 9-10 people who were discussing topics ranging from religion to football, and on to healthcare and sickness. Somehow they got onto the subject of the flu and flu shots, they were talking about how most of them got sick after taking the shot. I honestly don't know how the medical system works in many ways, so I asked how the government carried out the giving of swine flu shots and who paid for them. Opps,my bad! They weren't talking about 'swine flu' shots, they were talking about just regular flu shots. Anyway, come to find out, everyone in the room except me had gone out and paid $24.95 for 'flu' shots to make themselves sick with flu like symptoms. And the poor kids (all of them were under 30) were in various degrees of fear concerning wheather or not the 'swine' flu shots would be able to protect them from the swine flu.
And of course I was an outright idiot, taking my life into my own hands.(Yeah, I got the 'are you kidding me' look when I said no, I'm putting my life in Jesus' hands...big difference)
I started asking around as to what each person did for a living or what they were studying in school, there were two who were becoming pharmacist, one pediatrics nurse, a professor, one in the seminary to be a pastor, one 'undeclared' student, one with a business degree and a restaurant manager. All professing christians, with all that knowledge they'd aquired in school, yet even though they were ever learning and seeking knowledge, they had no clue as to the truth. The very Bible they carry to church, each time they attend, has within it's pages the written wisdom of God and His healthcare plan...It doesn't make you sick, it doesn't cost you any money, when trusting in Him there's no FEAR. YET, it's hidden from them due to unbelief.
How thankful I am...why He opened my eyes and gave me faith to believe? I don't know! I'm just thankful He did!
I pray for the unbelieving church, walking around with a form of godliness and religion, but denying God's power to change their lives.
MERCY JESUS...
" Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
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| Re: Insurance as required by law [message #6667 is a reply to message #6120 ] |
Fri, 15 January 2010 17:38 |
james
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I saw today that Congress (or some congressmen) were planning to allow for a conscientious objector exemption on the healthcare insurance law. It would apply to those who's religious convictions would be violated by forcing them to purchase heath insurance. (the example given were the Amish)
I don't know what stage they're at in getting this into the final law, but it sure would be a financial blessing for a lot of people who would have been force to purchase the insurance and not use it, or face the penalty.
" Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."
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| Re: Insurance as required by law [message #7117 is a reply to message #6667 ] |
Fri, 18 June 2010 10:55 |
brodav9
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just to give a little update. President Obama just announced that in order to run the bill through complete analysis, the plan will not start until the year 2014.
That which James says is better though. It is only fair to allow religious people to follow their convictions. We are blessed to have a sovereign God who answers our prayers. even where it says that we pray for leaders that we may live a peacable and Godly life.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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