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First, I hope you are still a part of our discussions, Michael.

This is not just for you but for all the brethren here.

I remember Dr. Freeman's theology tapes on the subject of the tri-unity of the Godhead. And in them he made clear that none of us has a real understanding of thd nature of the godhead.

He stressed that the unity and ti-unity of God were both true, and at the same time were beyond our understanding as men. No earthly analogy can suffice, they all fall short.

He also referred to a brother unnamed by him who had received a revelation regarding these things that no amount of earthly doctrine could ever put into clear definition.

I am not a Branhamite, nor ever have been. Do not associate me with him, please. But I suspect that William Branham was the man Dr. Freeman referred to.

I read yrs ago Branham's sermons on Revelation. He was not a teacher, but I do believe he was a prophet. That does not mean he had full revelation or was always right. But some of the things Wm Branham had to say about the Godhead reconciled these questions about the godhead in ways that were astonishing.

I believe God gave him, a simple uneducated man, revelations about the Oneness of God and His eternal manifestation as Father Son, and Holy Spirit that went so far beyond anything the Church has ever heard through intellectual discussion, that it can do no less than humble us in the presense of our God.

I don't exalt any man. I don't exalt any doctrine. I just know that I saw such an amazing balance and powerful amount of truth backed up by scripture in what he presented that I have never forgotten it.

Branham showed from scripture that God is One God, but also that He is One God eternally manifested as Father Son and Holy Spirit, yesterday, today and forever. He got this by revelation, not doctrine or philosophy. He received it from the very presence of God.

Dr. Freeman said of this person that he stated that neither the Oneness camp nor the trinitarians were right, but that the truth could only be grasped as a revelation from God.

Again, I am not a Branhamite. I have his books on my shelf, as well as Dr. Freemans. I have many others as well. None of us have an answer for this. We will understand in eternity.

I am sure both Wm Branham and Hobart Freeman understand now, what we still gaze into a dark glass over(1 Cor.13).

But the truth is not even somewhere in between these two concepts. It is something above and beyond them that we will only understand in eternity. To that end, theological debate is only capable of whetting our appetites for the revelation of His glory which is coming for those who love Him.

In Christ,

Doug Jerving
Re: To Michael The Disciple [message #5633 is a reply to message #5632] Wed, 25 March 2009 02:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have always found the Godhead SO very hard to understand. I think I am in good company, though. Smile

I find it awesome and amazing that He would have the compassion to reveal Himself to us about Who and What He is, and what He did for us, as well.

Branham's church is in Jeffersonville, Indiana. It is a hop, skip, and a jump from me (about 10 minutes).

The woman stick out like a sore thumb when you see them; kind of the way we did at one point. Rolling Eyes Laughing

I have one of Branham's books. I bought it from Hank at the Barn. It is in storage right now. I think I will have to find it now and see what it says.

Blessings,

GWB

Be still and know that I am God
Re: To Michael The Disciple [message #5638 is a reply to message #5633] Wed, 25 March 2009 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dear GWB,

Please do not think that I advocate Branham. I think there may very well be more problems with his theology than there are answers. On the other hand, I am not afraid to mention his name, worrying that some will follow him without seeking the Word of God. I have confidence in the Holy Spirit and in the people of God that they will exercise discernment, not following a man, except the Son of Man and of God, Jesus.

The Bible is our source of faith alone. Sola Scriptura. Men's opinions, revelations, etc. must all be submitted carefully to that standard. Even our own intellectual understanding must thus conform, since the mind apart from Christ is darkened.

Thankfully, the Holy Spirit leads those who really seek God's face into the full truth of the Word. Some things we will not understand until we are in the presence of the Lord forever. Other things He may reveal to us here which we cannot explain to others. It is God's personal blessing to us in that intimate moment we cannot describe to others.
Re: To Michael The Disciple [message #5640 is a reply to message #5638] Wed, 25 March 2009 13:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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djerving wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 22:56

Dear GWB,

Please do not think that I advocate Branham. I think there may very well be more problems with his theology than there are answers. On the other hand, I am not afraid to mention his name, worrying that some will follow him without seeking the Word of God. I have confidence in the Holy Spirit and in the people of God that they will exercise discernment, not following a man, except the Son of Man and of God, Jesus.

The Bible is our source of faith alone. Sola Scriptura. Men's opinions, revelations, etc. must all be submitted carefully to that standard. Even our own intellectual understanding must thus conform, since the mind apart from Christ is darkened.

Thankfully, the Holy Spirit leads those who really seek God's face into the full truth of the Word. Some things we will not understand until we are in the presence of the Lord forever. Other things He may reveal to us here which we cannot explain to others. It is God's personal blessing to us in that intimate moment we cannot describe to others.



I do understand what you mean and I will be careful about all of this. Thank you so much for stearing me to the Word in your posts.

I have really enjoyed reading what you think about the different topics. Your posts are edifying and make me want to be closer to Him. You can't ask for anymore than that!

Blessings,

GWB

Be Still and Know that I am God
Re: To Michael The Disciple [message #5643 is a reply to message #5640] Thu, 26 March 2009 02:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GWB,

There were other problems in Branham's ministry that prevent me from advocating him. I know he was a believer and was saved, and I am sure he is now in the presence of the Lord. I can only say that as a man like all of us, he was capable of zeal that leads to error. One for instance: he believed in a doctrine known by many as "serpent seed", i.e., that Cain was not conceived thru Adam's seed, but was actually the seed of a fallen angel. There is nothing in scripture to this effect.

DJ
Re: To Michael The Disciple [message #13291 is a reply to message #5632] Fri, 17 April 2020 13:22 Go to previous message
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djerving wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 05:57
First, I hope you are still a part of our discussions, Michael.

This is not just for you but for all the brethren here.

I remember Dr. Freeman's theology tapes on the subject of the tri-unity of the Godhead. And in them he made clear that none of us has a real understanding of thd nature of the godhead.

He stressed that the unity and ti-unity of God were both true, and at the same time were beyond our understanding as men. No earthly analogy can suffice, they all fall short.

He also referred to a brother unnamed by him who had received a revelation regarding these things that no amount of earthly doctrine could ever put into clear definition.

I am not a Branhamite, nor ever have been. Do not associate me with him, please. But I suspect that William Branham was the man Dr. Freeman referred to.

I read yrs ago Branham's sermons on Revelation. He was not a teacher, but I do believe he was a prophet. That does not mean he had full revelation or was always right. But some of the things Wm Branham had to say about the Godhead reconciled these questions about the godhead in ways that were astonishing.

I believe God gave him, a simple uneducated man, revelations about the Oneness of God and His eternal manifestation as Father Son, and Holy Spirit that went so far beyond anything the Church has ever heard through intellectual discussion, that it can do no less than humble us in the presense of our God.

I don't exalt any man. I don't exalt any doctrine. I just know that I saw such an amazing balance and powerful amount of truth backed up by scripture in what he presented that I have never forgotten it.

Branham showed from scripture that God is One God, but also that He is One God eternally manifested as Father Son and Holy Spirit, yesterday, today and forever. He got this by revelation, not doctrine or philosophy. He received it from the very presence of God.

Dr. Freeman said of this person that he stated that neither the Oneness camp nor the trinitarians were right, but that the truth could only be grasped as a revelation from God.

Again, I am not a Branhamite. I have his books on my shelf, as well as Dr. Freemans. I have many others as well. None of us have an answer for this. We will understand in eternity.

I am sure both Wm Branham and Hobart Freeman understand now, what we still gaze into a dark glass over(1 Cor.13).

But the truth is not even somewhere in between these two concepts. It is something above and beyond them that we will only understand in eternity. To that end, theological debate is only capable of whetting our appetites for the revelation of His glory which is coming for those who love Him.

In Christ,

Doug Jerving


Doug,
Don't know if you still read this board but I understand what you are saying. We cannot fully understand the Lord in this life He is too Amazing, anyway ran across this article here.

Hope you guys are doing well we enjoyed your painting.

In Him,
Gary


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