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ISRAEL [message #318] Thu, 13 July 2006 21:40 Go to next message
cougarxr72  is currently offline cougarxr72
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What are everyone's thoughts on what Israel is doing in the middle east? I don't think they're too concerned about coming to the table right now, I think they mean business. I'm glad to see the US is still backing them. Thoughts?


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Re: ISRAEL [message #319 is a reply to message #318] Fri, 14 July 2006 12:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've just finished a book that took some of the luster out of my opinion about Israel. The book is by a former mossad officer called BY WAY OF DECEPTION by Victor Ostrovsky and Claire Hoy. It just goes to show that they have been restored to their land but have a long way to go before spiritual restoration.

The current events seem to be leading them down a path of no return where the whole world will be against them. Although, I do think it is ironic that the US has a policy that refuses to deal with terrorists yet expects Israel to negotiate with those terrorists that want to wipe them off of the face of the earth.

I don't know where you all get your news concerning what is happening over there but I've found one site that seems to tell it like it is... It's called Arutz Sheva--here is the link:

http://www.israelnn.com/

William


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Re: ISRAEL [message #320 is a reply to message #319] Fri, 14 July 2006 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I guess I don't follow what you're saying about spiritual restoration. I think as long as GW is in office the US will still back Isreal.


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Re: ISRAEL [message #321 is a reply to message #320] Fri, 14 July 2006 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just meant that they haven't yet returned to the Lord as the Bible predicts. They have been physically restored to their land but not spiritually restored to their inheritance.

The way I understand prophecy is that Israel will experience a measure of peace just before they move into the great tribulation predicted by Daniel, Zechariah, Jesus and Revelation. It seems that someone with enough stature (perhaps it will be the UN but they seem powerless at present) will be able to negotiate a plan that will satisfy all parties... for at least a little while before the end.

William


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Re: ISRAEL [message #322 is a reply to message #321] Fri, 14 July 2006 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This was something I never fully understood, the end time series by HEF was one of the last that I recall listening to growing up. Where does the great tribulation of the rest of the world and the rapture fit into the whole scheme of things. I've always been confused as to what is to happen with Isreal and what is to happen with the rest of the world?
Re: ISRAEL [message #323 is a reply to message #322] Fri, 14 July 2006 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've been trying to work on a post that will lay out the basic framework of things and giving the scriptural basis but it is a bigger task than I first imagined!

For Pre-Millennialists (those who believe that Jesus returns before the 1000 year reign of Christ-Rev 19-20) the next major event is the rapture of the church (or the overcomers in the church) which will signal the start of the seven year tribulation period.

This seven years is generally referred to in scripture as two periods of three and one-half years (or forty two months each).

The first three and one-half years seems to be a period when Israel will make some sort of alliance with a person who turns out to be the anti-christ.

After he is recognized as the anti-christ (or anti-messiah in their case) things will get really bad, this will be the time referred to as "Jacob's Trouble", the last half of the seven year period.

When this time is over Jesus will return with His saints and set up His kingdom on the earth. The devil will be chained for 1000 years and this time will be a time of peace. It will be a time when the "lion will lay down with the lamb" because Jesus, the prince of peace will be ruling the earth.

After that, the devil is loosed for a short time and will be successful in deceiving the nations for that great last battle on the earth. He will be quickly defeated and it will be at that point the "eternal state" will be ushered in. New Jerusalem will come down from heaven (Rev 22) and we will never be troubled anymore with evil! Hallelujah!

William


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Re: ISRAEL [message #324 is a reply to message #323] Mon, 17 July 2006 18:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It sure gets exciting to think about, doesn't it?

As for Israel, everytime something goes on in Israel, I get goosebumps. Regardless of your thoughts about the time of the rapture, whether it is for "overcomers" or for the church, etc., I believe Israel is sort of like God's stopwatch.

Israel is God's chosen people (unless you're one of those folks that believe the church is now the "spiritual Israel" and the actual nation of Israel is just like any other nation. Since God's promises do not change, this is a false doctrine - but that's a discussion for another time.) When things start happening in and to Israel, I start looking up. Sooner or later, someone is going to step on the scene that will have all the answers to Israel's peace (as well as the peace of the world). Like Mulder stated, this person will be the anti-christ.

As Christians bound for the rapture, I'm not sure if we will ever know the identity of the anti-christ. Since the seven-year clock starts at Israel's "peace" agreement, I would believe the rapture to have already occurred. We may have the opportunity to see someone rise to power on the world scene, but the rapture would have to occur shortly thereafter.

Interesting discussion. The bottom line is that Israel will play a major role in the end times. As such, start looking up whenever Israel is in the news. The end may be right around the corner.

Have a great day!
Duncan
Re: ISRAEL [message #349 is a reply to message #318] Sat, 23 September 2006 17:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We are surely near the end. How near cannot be said. There are clear signs that the world is being enticed to accept chip implants. Do a search for Israel on center stage. The US crumbling and being slowly but surely swept away. There is a rumor that the US, Mexico and Canada are talking merger.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=520 63

Isn't it great seeing God's Word at work!!!

Rev. 13:7 (KJV)
... and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

http://www.spychips.com/press-releases/mexican-implant-corre ction.html


Re: ISRAEL [message #350 is a reply to message #349] Sat, 23 September 2006 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I meant do a search for 'chip implants'. There are many articles on this.
Re: ISRAEL [message #351 is a reply to message #349] Sat, 23 September 2006 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One with definitely think so, but these chips have been around for quite awhile. I don't want to sound like a pessimist, but I think we are yet a little ways off. I don't think most americans this day and age would agree to a chip in their body for commerce or any other purpose, there has been some uproar about putting them in registered sex offenders. Cash is still king and with the remaking of all the currency, it doesn't appear that we are ready for a cashless society yet. I can remember 25 years ago Dr. Freeman talking about a cashless society, we are headed in that direction but I believe a ways from it. The chip implants would seem to appear that they could be the mark of the beast but people have said the same think about SS numbers, bar codes to name a few other notables that people thought to be the mark of the beast. No one knows the time or the hour. The Bible says that it will come like a thief in the night. I believe that there are too many people claiming the end of the world to say the time is now. But I could be very wrong. One thing I think we have to learn from FA is that even though we may think that the time is near, we still should plan for the future. As I have stated before, FA taught like the world was going to shortly and many members didn't plan for their kids future, retirement or many other long term plans. One has to remember that Peter and the apostles also taught the same thing 2,000 years ago and here we are.


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Re: ISRAEL [message #352 is a reply to message #351] Sat, 23 September 2006 21:24 Go to previous message
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If you do a Google search for "chip implants" you would find that MANY are accepting this and are also doing it now. Yes it's a gradual brainwashing for sure.
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