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moulder wrote on Tue, 31 January 2006 19:39

Hopefully this message board can focus on some of the positive aspects of Hobart Freeman's ministry.
moulder




I`m kinda confused William. This is what you stated when you started this board.

Yet earlier today there was a post that said" This is overcomers on line, Not HEF on line". So my question is do we not defend HEF when we feel there should or could be some defense needed, or is this something only certain people can do?
Re: Hi, I'm moulder--not my real name! [message #3330 is a reply to message #3326] Fri, 12 September 2008 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hombre raised this question:

"When Jesus turned water into wine, did He sin?"

The other day I asked some questions and then asked why someone would ask questions when he already knew the answers.

I think we both already knew the answers to our questions, when we asked them...
Razz


“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
Re: Hi, I'm moulder--not my real name! [message #3332 is a reply to message #3326] Fri, 12 September 2008 22:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hombre wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 17:23


When Jesus turned water into wine, did He sin?


Boy I gotta think about that one. Thats a tuffy.

Tell you what. I`m coming to Indy tomorrow. We could meet for a cup of coffee or maybe a soda pop,( dont drink anything stronger then that) and we could duke it out for the bill. I think I can take you. I`ll rip those stripped tennies right off you. Laughing What say you?
Re: Hi, I'm moulder--not my real name! [message #3337 is a reply to message #3332] Fri, 12 September 2008 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hombre wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 18:01



Liars are fryers.

Laughing

What are you coming to Indy for?

..sorry I can't meet with you as I am working on a project with my brother tomorrow,


Well thats to bad.

I`m coming to Indy to visit my Grandson in one of the few mental facilities that are still open in Indy. So you see again you are wrong. No liars here. Smile

I guess you`ll always wonder( I wonder if that old man could have taken me) Laughing Laughing

Even though they say the pen (in this case the keyboard) is mightier then the sword. I get down there quite often so if you ever have a Saturday without a project to fall back on I`m game.
Re: Hi, I'm moulder--not my real name! [message #3387 is a reply to message #3326] Wed, 17 September 2008 03:18 Go to previous message
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grandom wrote on Fri, 12 September 2008 16:16

moulder wrote on Tue, 31 January 2006 19:39

Hopefully this message board can focus on some of the positive aspects of Hobart Freeman's ministry.
moulder




I`m kinda confused William. This is what you stated when you started this board.

Yet earlier today there was a post that said" This is overcomers on line, Not HEF on line". So my question is do we not defend HEF when we feel there should or could be some defense needed, or is this something only certain people can do?


Well, I don't see much lacking in the defense of HEF, but to be totally accurate I don't think that we qualify as an HEF Only crowd.

At the beginning I made the decision that we would be better served if this board was not simply limited to all things HEF.

If I had wanted to do so, I could have used and made the focus of the site our other domain name: hobartfreeman.com

I didn't do this for the reasons that have already been expressed. To be a bit gushy, I love Hobart Freeman, and have a high regard for the things he taught... but, if you've done much reading on here, you know that I haven't hidden the fact that I don't necessarily follow everything that was taught. (Look no further than my notes on divorce to see what I mean.) I say that with full knowledge that in the eyes of some, I have departed from the faith by taking that position.

To save time, and to keep some from being seduced, let me list a few areas of disagreements: (It sounds strange to say that with my meager educational achievements compared to the stellar qualifications of Brother Freeman... I hope none will assume that I think I'm more qualified to teach or have reached a higher plane than he... I don't. My *only* point is that I have personally reached some different conclusions in these areas.)

Divorce and remarriage
Headcovering
Gifts (given to all, women included)
Women wearing pants
Tee shirt messages
TV (I have one)
Tennis shoes
Glasses for the masses!
Box mixes for the multitudes!
Microwave ovens (I believe in 'em)
Education for the erudite (I don't really believe HEF taught against this!)

Of these only the first three can be construed as doctrinal; the second and third (headcovering and gifts) stem from my understanding concerning the cultural issues in NT times. In other words, I don't discount the biblical teachings in these two areas, I interpret them differently than we did in the 80's. You might not agree with me but please don't jump to unfounded conclusions that aren't warranted... at least give me a hearing before pronouncing me a heretic!

Blessings,
William

[Updated on: Wed, 17 September 2008 03:21]


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