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Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2722 is a reply to message #2714 ] Mon, 11 August 2008 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 12:13

I think i've got it...James(me) is now Grandom; Grandom is really Richard(diaper daddy???);
Moulder/Molder is William; I don't know about Hombre, I think he's on second...but that leaves me wondering, 'who's playing first?'

Which leads me back to the question that always pops into my head in times like these,
Where's the pope when we really need him? Rolling Eyes


Hombre is the pope, didn't you know? Course he's so anti-denom, he pronounces it pop'ee (like daddy).


I want to believe!
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2723 is a reply to message #2722 ] Mon, 11 August 2008 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=moulder wrote on Mon, 11 August 2008 14:48][quote

Hombre is the pope, didn't you know? Course he's so anti-denom, he pronounces it pop'ee (like daddy).

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Bless me Padre Hombre For I have sinned
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2725 is a reply to message #2722 ] Tue, 12 August 2008 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Got a question for you all .......

The Term: Peer Pressure,

Is that just another way of saying ?.......It's not my fault.....The devil made me do it....Hobart made me do it that way....

Faith Assembly or my husband an or wife foced me to Believe an act that way.. It's not my fault, therefore I can not take

responsiblity for my own actions ?........ What say ye Brothers & Sister ?



Ron
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2726 is a reply to message #2725 ] Tue, 12 August 2008 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JWBTI wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 05:55

Got a question for you all .......

The Term: Peer Pressure,

Is that just another way of saying ?.......It's not my fault.....The devil made me do it....Hobart made me do it that way....

Faith Assembly or my husband an or wife foced me to Believe an act that way.. It's not my fault, therefore I can not take

responsiblity for my own actions ?........ What say ye Brothers & Sister ?



It can be used as an excuse, no doubt. And some may have used it that way. Not pointing fingers at all. I don't believe that I have used it as an excuse. I know that the peer pressure existed, but when it was directly applied to me, I chose to leave. I'm not trying to justify myself, at all. I knew there were things that weren't right, and teachings that weren't right, but until I was faced with an ultimatum, I stayed because I felt the good outweighed the bad. But when I was confronted with an unbiblical ultimatum, upon which rested my future participation, it wasn't hard to leave, from the standpoint of biblical truth. It was hard to leave the friendships we had developed behind, and it was an adjustment to not have our lives so invested in that one body of believers, 4 times a week.

But, back to the issue at hand, the "Flip Wilson Defense" (The devil made me do it) and all of it's variations (My husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend/kids/neighbor/Hobart/Bruce /etc.)is not a valid excuse. It is trying to explain away one's own lack of convictions, and/or one's own fear of taking a stand, or of being responsible for one's own thinking and actions.

Until you must take a stand, declare your position, declare what you believe, stand up to those who try to get you to go in a direction you don't want to, or don't think is right, until you actually stand up and resist the pressure against you, do you really know for sure what you believe? Do you have any objective or concrete proof? Can anyone else point to you and say, "I know what ______ believes, because of _______"? What have you done that shows what you believe to others? Is there anything, other than your say-so, that stands as evidence of what you believe?

Those who appeal to peer pressure, are not taking that stand, providing that outward evidence, are not taking responsibility for what they did, do or are about to do. They want cover if it fails, but want all the benefits if it succeeds. If it succeeds, they will say "Yes, it was by faith, I stood fast, etc.", but if it fails, they will say "'They' made me do it, it wasn't my fault, I didn't have a choice....".

Just my 2 denarii......
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2767 is a reply to message #2725 ] Thu, 14 August 2008 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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NBF56:
Brother thanks for your 2 denarii...... That was Priceless........
Thanks for your honest an up front reply...

Hombre:
Sorry if I bumped into you on that trail: Ref Peer Pressure.
If ya know where I'am going....Tell me....My GPS quit working.
Seriously now..... thanks for your reply.......Brother...
Ps: I do plead guilty to ignorantance tho....I don't have a lot of book learning an my writting skills are a little crude, if I
have offended any by my bluntness or my pointed question.....I ask for forgiveness......

Blessings


Ron
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2768 is a reply to message #2767 ] Thu, 14 August 2008 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No offense taken here...Book learning is over-rated; life experience in invaluable.

Look at the first 12 chosen; they had various degrees of education, social status, professions, and temperment.

He don't want a bunch of cookie cutter followers, He just wants obedience.....'FOLLOW ME'

'But now hath GOD set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased Him.' I Corth.12:18

You have been given spiritual gifts and purpose that only you possess, which is needful in the body.

Just as each one of us has different gifts and callings, when combined, results in a fully functioning organism called the body of Christ.

A man named Hobart Freeman taught me this...

Ron, your boldness and willingness to trust God without fear of peer pressure, is inspiring to me...Never let man talk you out of the faith that's been given you.


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2769 is a reply to message #2768 ] Fri, 15 August 2008 07:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure. Can we ever beat a horse into the ground.Peer pressure is a part of life like it or not. Matter of fact it is commanded in the Bible. Read Mat 18:15-18. If that's not peer pressure I don't know what is. Many other scriptures tell us (paraphrasing) here "don't hang with the bad guys they`ll bring you down." Like wise we are commanded to be of one mind. Some where along the line peer pressure is in effect. There is good peer pressure and obviously bad peer pressure.

How about an example of good peer pressure right here on the forum. How many do us beat jisamazed on the head about Todd Bentley. Now it comes out that what we knew (not suspected) was true. But Jis was only concerned about his four and no more , or whatever the number is up there in Gr. Rapids. Apparently he is not concerned about the body as a whole. A cancer like that effects the whole body and even the so called experts who sat back are now coming out denouncing it (with red faces) may I add. I do have to give the boy credit. He didn't submit to peer pressure even if it was good.

Were there people at FA that submitted to peer pressure. Absolutely I guess from reading the posts. To those I say That was 30 years ago. GET Over It. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow (if it come) is a mystery. Today is the present we have from the Lord. Doesn't it say this is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Mark 11:24 has a great promise but there is also verses 25 .and 26. They are based on wether we forgive.

I believe you said it best the other day James. Now my ankle is broken also from getting off my soap box. Smile
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2770 is a reply to message #2769 ] Fri, 15 August 2008 07:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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grandom wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 07:02

Peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure. Can we ever beat a horse into the ground.Peer pressure is a part of life like it or not. Matter of fact it is commanded in the Bible. Read Mat 18:15-18. If that's not peer pressure I don't know what is. Many other scriptures tell us (paraphrasing) here "don't hang with the bad guys they`ll bring you down." Like wise we are commanded to be of one mind. Some where along the line peer pressure is in effect. There is good peer pressure and obviously bad peer pressure.

How about an example of good peer pressure right here on the forum. How many do us beat jisamazed on the head about Todd Bentley. Now it comes out that what we knew (not suspected) was true. But Jis was only concerned about his four and no more , or whatever the number is up there in Gr. Rapids. Apparently he is not concerned about the body as a whole. A cancer like that effects the whole body and even the so called experts who sat back are now coming out denouncing it (with red faces) may I add. I do have to give the boy credit. He didn't submit to peer pressure even if it was good.

Were there people at FA that submitted to peer pressure. Absolutely I guess from reading the posts. To those I say That was 30 years ago. GET Over It. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow (if it come) is a mystery. Today is the present we have from the Lord. Doesn't it say this is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Mark 11:24 has a great promise but there is also verses 25 .and 26. They are based on wether we forgive.

I believe you said it best the other day James. Now my ankle is broken also from getting off my soap box. Smile


Wow, I've never thought about it in that light before... that's some good stuff there Grandom!

Broken ankle? I sure couldn't tell; looks to me like you "stuck the landing!"

Okay team, you've done great in the individual soap-boxing events, but we've got to make sure we are all on the same page when it comes to the peer-relay. Focus; focus; focus.


Blessings,
William


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Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2774 is a reply to message #2769 ] Fri, 15 August 2008 10:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No offense taken Hombre.
I appreciate you and William because you guys think deeper then most of us can. We get the bends when we come back up. Shocked

A foot note from me as well.

Is`nt it interesting that (and I go back to an earlier statement I made) that from an assembly in the middle of a corn field, that so few of us seem to have gotten the message. I hope that doesnt sound pharasaical(sp)and maybe it does but from that humble beginning from a Teacher supposedly deceived that some of us were taught correctly to recognize deception when we see it. Thank the Holy Spirit and HEF. Talk about peer pressure that man had it. Name one charismatic leader who would or will endorse him.I feel in my spirit that some day HEF`s ministry will be validated in a big way.
I constantly see fruits of it. Oh and may I add good fruits.When one is led By the Holy Spirit let the little dogs bark, or for that matter even the big dogs.Were it not for his teachings I would probably still be stuck swollowing the swill from the Lutheran church. Now you know my background. I`ve come a long way baby.

I appreciate this forum.I see the Holy Spirits work in it and its a joy to participate

As William Says: Blessings
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2789 is a reply to message #2774 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 07:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hombre wrote:

....my point is only that we cannot force or coerce others into faith through pressure, but we can hold forth the light, as He does, creating inspiration without condemnation....after all, isn't that how He has treated you?
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Rons reply:
Brother I agree with you 100 % on this......
Over the years I have had to fight for my rights to trust God at this point.......
Be it oppostion from family,police,child protection services and church people
So when it comes to the subject of Divine Healing....
I get a little defensive.....or like in your face..
Everyone has the right to walk whatever path they desire, it matters nothing to me either way......
But give me that same right an dont belittle those that it does work for.
Over the years as you know the Peer Pressure excuse has been used along with the other excuse........
Well.... HEF died...Stan Hill died...Bruce died...all those other people died an they had Faith......so may be it
really doesn't work !
People died thru out Bible for many different reasons..people die every day in the Hospitals an
Nursing Homes, does that stop anyone from going to those places....Nope !
The Word of God stands True an Faithfull to all the Promises reguardless of what man has done.
As for the Subject of Divine Healing........it will never go away.....As long as you allow me to post on this Board.
Blessings


Ron
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2792 is a reply to message #2770 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 10:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hombre

Far be it for me to correct a man of your stature.

you said "The same way womens' beach volleyball did (...which is really just an excuse to watch 4 semi-nude chicks prance around"

Actually its 8 semi-nude.
Very Happy Very Happy
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2793 is a reply to message #2792 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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grandom wrote on Sat, 16 August 2008 10:14

Hombre

Far be it for me to correct a man of your stature.

you said "The same way womens' beach volleyball did (...which is really just an excuse to watch 4 semi-nude chicks prance around"

Actually its 8 semi-nude.
Very Happy Very Happy


You must have watched all of the events!

Personally I just tuned in for the commentary.

William


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Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2794 is a reply to message #2793 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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William.

I grabbed the remote as fast as I could to turn it off. Shocked
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2800 is a reply to message #2792 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Man thats disgusting.

I`m glad my eye gate was only temporaily polluted.

Seriously. I have not watched one single event of the olympics.

You know A.W.Tozer was right. I will know how much of God you have by how much entertainment you need. Pretty profound.

No judgement here for those who watch or need entertainment.

The things of this world grow strangeley dim

I heard that oncet. Seem to be true




Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2801 is a reply to message #2792 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ya'll can use all the 'peer pressure' you want; but you can't bind me by your legalistic judgements....
Womens Beach volleyball rocks... Cool

just kidding...( I do enjoy track and field and swimming )

[Updated on: Sat, 16 August 2008 11:11]


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Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2802 is a reply to message #2801 ] Sat, 16 August 2008 11:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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James

You are such a blessing. You strike a good balance here.

You said
just kidding...( I do enjoy track and field and swimming )

What are some of your times? Were interested in how good you are and did you just miss the cut? Rolling Eyes
Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2827 is a reply to message #2769 ] Mon, 18 August 2008 11:58 Go to previous message
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grandom wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 07:02


How about an example of good peer pressure right here on the forum. How many do us beat jisamazed on the head about Todd Bentley. Now it comes out that what we knew (not suspected) was true. But Jis was only concerned about his four and no more , or whatever the number is up there in Gr. Rapids. Apparently he is not concerned about the body as a whole. A cancer like that effects the whole body and even the so called experts who sat back are now coming out denouncing it (with red faces) may I add. I do have to give the boy credit. He didn't submit to peer pressure even if it was good.




It took me a while to get back to you on this one. Grandom, it has nothing to do with "us four and no more". I would really like to release a statement about the Lakeland thing and Todd (which are distinct, but overlapping), but responsibilities to my church, family and work are more important. Much as I like this forum, it is not a top priority for me, sorry to say. I have expressed my commitment over and over to the body of Christ as a whole. You and Hombre and thrash out the theological implications of that term. Smile It is not fair for you to expect me to make some sort of pronouncement as if this forum is supposed to be a top priority. I am focused on helping people who are addicted to alcohol, have marriages that are breaking up, helping to clear up their theoligical confusion, etc... These have to come first before the research on Todd Bentley. That whole scene will fade over time, but my friends need my help right now.

It's not just about resisting peer pressure. I just can't do it. And I don't think I need to so much anymore. Between Todd baptizing people in the name of "Bam-bam", getting divorced and getting power from his tatoos, more and more people are starting to realize that maybe he is not what they originally thought he was. Nevertheless, we can still pray for him.


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