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Healing the Broken Hearted [message #12685] Sun, 11 August 2019 22:46 Go to next message
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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Or Healing of the Memories

Apologies if I have posted this before it has been on my mind a long time and I don't recall ever putting my thoughts up. I'm speaking again of some of this stuff directly out of my own life. Let me state my biases right off the bat!!! I think that we in the faith message have completely missed the boat on this type of healing.

Bro Freeman dwelt with this on this tape starting at 6:00

I mostly agree with what Bro Freeman said here. I think though his teaching was more of a reaction though and incomplete. I agree that long psychiatric based processes and prayers are unbiblical but it is in the atonement and should be taught.

When I got saved I got involved in a house church that turned strongly on this doctrine and a lot of good came out of it. Shortly after that I received the HS and came under the faith message. When I did the Lord gave me this verse.

Prov20/30 The blueness of a wound cleanses away evil ; so do stripes the inward parts of the belly

I saw that healing the broken hearted was in the atonement and that long prayers and processes etc were unnecessary. I think it is a direct reference to the atonement. Solomon along with his great wisdom would have been well aware of peoples inner nature and of the atonement.

Jesus clearly said in Luke 4/16-21 he came to heal the broken hearted. He was quoting Isaiah 61. So the question is what are broken hearted and how do we heal them. The answer by too many in the charismatic church is outlined by Bro. Freeman in the link above. Their answer is a lot of Psychic & pychobabble. He didn't agree I don't and probably no one reading this does.

The issue is though that Jesus did come to heal the broken hearted. Bro Freemans answer was 11 Cor. 5/17 That we are born again and as such we should forgive and live as a new creation. Nothing wrong with that as far as it goes. Good teaching can bring a lot of healing.

I think there are as many people in our churches who need of this kind of healing as there are those needing physical healing and deliverance. In other words lots.
What is someone supposed to do who experienced physical sexual emotional abuse as a child. The point being it is affecting their life now. Are they just supposed to just suck it up and live like an overcomer? Is that the answer to someone who needs healing or deliverance? Just buck up bro. You're an overcomer now!!! The church isn't here to offer help if needed. Overcomers laugh at pain!!! If you're hurting for goodness sakes don't let anyone see it. Come on Bro you know what the christian church does with their wounded.

Do you know anyone who is “harsh” Toward their kids spouse church (as a minister) . . . That is a red flag siren blowing drum rolling sign of a deep inner unresolved pain.
Kids scared to get undressed around family or others? Obviously in proper circumstances. That is a serious red flag someone has been abused. Probably sexually. And lots of other things. I think deep inner pain is a major cause of people having problems in some way with work marriage family or life.
This can also be the cause of chronic health problems.
In my opinion the main cause of homosexuality is deep inner hurts often caused by a father and a spirit comes in and holds onto that pain.

Obviously there can be other causes for problems like this but this is one and I don't ever recall anyone teaching on it.

My solution to the problem is several things
1. Pray in tongues. When you pray in the spirit you access the deep things in your heart
2. What is wrong with the prayer of faith. James 5? Or asking the pastor to pray the prayer of faith.
3. Forgiveness. Often healing can come simply through forgiveness. Sometimes there is no other way but to confront the issue deep inside through prayer until you can forgive.

As I said I think it is as common a problem as healing or deliverance. I heard someone very knowledgeable on these issues say the result in a child's life who has been sexually abused is like picking up a doll and throwing it against the wall as hard as you can. It is very common in the world and it would be naive in the extreme to think it hasn't happened in our churches. Especially a big one like FA.

Re: Healing the Broken Hearted [message #12686 is a reply to message #12685] Tue, 13 August 2019 20:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
william  is currently offline william
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Hi Mark,

Maybe I'm missing something here and will probably sound glib in my answer, but Jesus came to heal both the inside and outside. I don't think it's valid to make these into separate issues and treat the physical as one part of the atonement and then deal with the spiritual issues like there's two different aspects of humanity going on here.

We always were taught that when He redeemed us, He redeemed the WHOLE man, not 'just the physical' or 'just the spiritual' but both simultaneously.

If there were other areas where further help was needed it was due to occultic involvement. This, of course, required deliverance (not healing).

Maybe it's because of the brevity of the Book, but I don't see any long-term psychiatric care patients being treated in the NT.


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Re: Healing the Broken Hearted [message #12687 is a reply to message #12686] Wed, 14 August 2019 19:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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I'm not entirely sure what you are saying. Because I agree with you. Jesus did come to heal the whole man.

My point was that getting saved doesn't always mean an automatic healing of deep inner pain. The same with deliverance or physical healing. That shows up in peoples lives in having problems in marriage society work marital intimacy etc.

Forgiving someone who has hurt you badly will often result in healing the inner man and sometimes the outer. But I've never heard any teaching on healing the broken hearted. Through forgiveness or any other way.

The atonement provided healing for our whole life. Including our inner being which Jesus was referring to when he said healing the broken hearted.

I think Jesus (the physical emotional spiritual whole man) was badly hurt by Judas betrayal and Peters denial. I don't think he required healing but I do think he took that to the cross with him.

Many christians some badly hurt and some horrifyingly so carry those those deep wounds into their xian lives. Just like they do healing or deliverance.

I have tremendous respect for Bro. Freeman. I just think his teaching on the matter dwelt more with refuting the silly methods of some charismatics rather than giving some solid teaching on the matter. I think it has been badly neglected.
healing [message #12688 is a reply to message #12685] Mon, 19 August 2019 00:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Healing the Broken Hearted [message #12689 is a reply to message #12688] Mon, 19 August 2019 02:35 Go to previous message
william  is currently offline william
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Hello John,

It's very hard to argue against anecdotal experiences, so I'm not about to go down that road.

I think we can look at broader concepts and see how they measure up to biblical norms.

In this case someone has already written an article that presents a pretty good (in my opinion) overview of Mr. Smith's book. The author even mentions the account of Peter's experience with Jesus after the resurrection toward the end of the article.

I don't like posting links to the views of others as a substitute for giving you my own thoughts but this will have to do for now... at least until I can read up on the subject.


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