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"War on the Saints"

I wanted to make a few comments on this book and since she is dealing a lot with deliverance and demonic activity in the believers life, I thought I would put it here with the occult information. Since the occult is an area that people definitely need to go through deliverance especially if they have been heavily involved. It may not be the best spot but we don't have a book review section.

The book deals with a lot of demonic activity in the believers life. While reading this book I kept thinking where is she getting all this information? Even though it sounded logical she did not give scriptural references to back up what she was stating.

With that said; I am not disputing it, but just wondered what was taking place. Its probable it came from personal experience, but she did not state this.

Anyway one portion that leaped out of the book and I found interesting was what takes place during a true God ordained revival. This gal states that whenever God moves in a true revival and the Spirit of God is manifested in healing, deliverance, repentance, that there was always fanaticism that would come and take over, and quench the move of the Spirit.

Demonic activity would start manifesting in individuals and people would come with strange manifestations that would distract from what God was doing and it would put a damper on the meetings causing confusion and chaos.

In some meetings to this day there is strange behavior that manifests on a regular basis, people state that this is the power of God driving them to do it. Most think this is normal Christianity and they welcome it in their meetings.

I have to admit this Sister in Christ made some very good points concerning Christians and the powers of darkness influencing their thoughts and the way they carry themselves. Another area of demonic activity is the area of legalism. She stated; that a person could come out of one form of legalism and go right into another form of legalism and would find justification in their actions, even though they were still being deceived by the powers of darkness. She made a pretty good argument concerning all forms of legalism.

Anyway I found there was a huge amount of information that was there to digest concerning demonic influences coming against Christians, and the daily warfare that takes place in a believers life. It does take place, Paul and others give a certain amount of information involving the Christians warfare with the powers of darkness.

With that said, I could not help but wonder, where is she getting all this information concerning demons and what they were doing?, it sure sounded reasonable while reading the book, but; Was she making observations from past revivals? How much is really demonic activity and how much is just a show of the flesh with someone wanting to appear spiritual?




Gary

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Re: "War on the Saints" [message #11937 is a reply to message #11934 ] Sat, 26 December 2015 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe she got most of her material from the Welsh Revival (1904-1905) and from the leader of that revival--Evan Roberts.

In some of the editions of the book he (Evan Roberts) is listed as a co-author. Apparently Evan Roberts suffered some sort of breakdown in the midst of the revival and stayed with the Lewis' while recuperating.

As far as the material being based upon 'experiences' more so than actual biblical doctrine I must say that I didn't catch that. I thought that there were a lot of passages used in the presentation.

I'm not totally surprised though because most of the biblical teaching on spiritual warfare comes from 'experiences' and not necessarily presented as doctrinal statements concerning demons. If you think about it there would be precious little teaching concerning spiritual warfare if we took out all of the personal demonic encounters of Jesus and the apostles from the Bible. Of course it goes without saying that anything that contradicts the biblical record concerning spiritual warfare should be suspect!

Blessings,
William


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Re: "War on the Saints" [message #11939 is a reply to message #11937 ] Mon, 28 December 2015 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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william wrote on Sat, 26 December 2015 20:20

I believe she got most of her material from the Welsh Revival (1904-1905) and from the leader of that revival--Evan Roberts.

In some of the editions of the book he (Evan Roberts) is listed as a co-author. Apparently Evan Roberts suffered some sort of breakdown in the midst of the revival and stayed with the Lewis' while recuperating.

As far as the material being based upon 'experiences' more so than actual biblical doctrine I must say that I didn't catch that. I thought that there were a lot of passages used in the presentation.

I'm not totally surprised though because most of the biblical teaching on spiritual warfare comes from 'experiences' and not necessarily presented as doctrinal statements concerning demons. If you think about it there would be precious little teaching concerning spiritual warfare if we took out all of the personal demonic encounters of Jesus and the apostles from the Bible. Of course it goes without saying that anything that contradicts the biblical record concerning spiritual warfare should be suspect!

Blessings,
William




That's interesting I never heard about the breakdown, but I've not read many books concerning the welsh revival. I did read once that everyone in the whole country of Wales repented and turned to the Lord. After this Evan Roberts stepped down from the pulpit and went back to farming or whatever it was he did before.

Somewhere I thought I had read that this book was banned at one time from being sold in America.

I may go back through this book, (War on the Saints), I wished there was a way to take comments or notes from a book while reading and save them to a file, I don't think the Kindle has this feature.

Anyway I liked the book and thought it was a good one to read.


Gary



Re: "War on the Saints" [message #12090 is a reply to message #11939 ] Wed, 28 September 2016 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My mums family got saved in the Welsh revival. I just wanted to add if you buy the book look for the "unabridged" version It can be difficult to get.
Re: "War on the Saints" [message #12091 is a reply to message #12090 ] Thu, 29 September 2016 02:26 Go to previous message
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Hi Mark L,

My family, (grandparents) also came out of the Welsh Revival. I was taught by great men & women of God who came to Australia from the Welsh Revival, (I know that makes me ......) & I am so blessed to have been taught truths which many have not had the privilege of hearing today.

It seems a lot of OO`s teachings were very good too, though I do think differently on some points.

I have `War on the Saints,` & have been referencing it lately as I believe we are in the most heated part of the battle, as the enemy does not want the Body of Christ to be Overcomers, especially at this late stage of the coming together - the unity of the faith (in what we believe, Eph 4.)

All the best, Marilyn.



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