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Question concerning teaching on spirits [message #11535] Wed, 11 March 2015 10:16 Go to next message
james  is currently offline james
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I have a question about what was taught concerning spirits. The question arises from reading in Job 38-41 where I found notes (made by me 30 yr ago in an old Bible) in my margin that Pleiades and Orion (Job 38:31); behemoth (Job 40:15); and leviathan (Job 41:1) were spirits??? I don't remember were I got that (assuming from Bro. Freeman?) from but I can't recall. Now 30 years later I don't see anything that would cause me to believe God was referring to spirits when showing Job his ignorance and reminding him of His mighty power.

I see from commentaries that Pleiades and Orion speak of the stars and that behemoth is believed to be either an elephant or hippo and leviathan probably a crocodile. Was this a case of taking scripture out of context or was it believed to be a revelation of something no one else could see?

Just wondering...William, thanks in advance for patience with me....<grin>


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Re: Question concerning teaching on spirits [message #11536 is a reply to message #11535 ] Thu, 12 March 2015 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
william  is currently offline william
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When I recently did a study of Job I found that there were essentially two major views concerning these passages... one was that God was giving a poetical insight to the spiritual realm and the other was that this was describing the physical creation.

I'm with you on the interpretation. There doesn't seem to me to be a reason to interpret this allegorically although I can see why people might do just that!

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William


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Re: Question concerning teaching on spirits [message #11537 is a reply to message #11536 ] Thu, 12 March 2015 18:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mark L  is currently offline Mark L
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I don't think it is allegorical either. Some people do believe there are spirits with those names though.

Incidently What does the "the sweet influences of Pleiades" mean. If we take it at face value as I do then the stars have an infuence on us. Either on our world here or us or more probably both. Gen 1/14 as well. "Lights . . . let them be for signs" SIGNS !?!?!? The star of Bethleham was a sign. Ancient people believed comets were a harbringer of some (mostly evil) event. Superstition or bible?

I think that all of this is science and knowledge that is simply lost to us as humans. The world believes we are on an upward quest to more and more intelligence and understanding. The bible says it has been all downhill since the garden. Adam on down understood all these things. I guess what I am saying is that the animals in the garden were more intelligent than us humans today. We are a pale shadow of what God created in the garden.

I should add that I think that all the worldly study of this is mostly metaphysics and should be avoided. Having said that I'm not ruling out God giving us understanding as this is simply the way he created the world.

behemoth & leviathan. I don't see how the description there can relate to any modern animal. for eg. He moveth his tail like a cedar Hippos have a very small tail. Here is my opinion. I think the book of Job was written before the flood and these are descriptions of animals that simply don't exist today.

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Re: Question concerning teaching on spirits [message #11538 is a reply to message #11537 ] Thu, 12 March 2015 19:59 Go to previous message
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Hey Mark, thanks for your thoughts...and I agree, when we get a genuine glimpse of God and His awesome Glory we see just how ignorant it is to walk in pride.

After asking the above questions I started reading different commentaries on these scriptures and found some interesting thoughts. One person explained concerning "the sweet influences of Pleiades" that God was speaking of how the control of the solar systems, stars, sun, and moon effects our seasons. Anyway, another person did go into leviathan being representative of a spirit of pride. Also I came across another web page that agree with you about the creatures described being before the flood and probably were dinosaurs, since the description doesn't really fit any animal we have today...as you stated.

Thank you as well, William <grin> didn't want it to look like I was unappreciative of your reply...

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