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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10483 is a reply to message #10455 ] Tue, 03 December 2013 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marilyn Crow wrote on Sat, 30 November 2013 14:05

Gary,

Interesting thoughts. Now the Anti-Christ is the Political leader who is `the Assyrian,` (from the area of Iraq, Syria & Jordan). Then the False Prophet is a Charismatic Economist. He is the executor of the Global Government. This aspect has been overlooked a lot & people tend to think of him in just religious terms. However to be in Government the Economic aspect is the area that he will arise from. The religious part comes with his association with the Anti-Christ.

`And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence.....And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast,...` (Rev. 13: 12 & 14)


Thus when we look at the forming of the Global Government we will see how the Economic aspect is the main agenda at the moment.

Blessings.




Scriptures Please. I don't see where your coming up with this without a scriptual basis. I looked through Rev 13: as I know what 12 and 14 are dealing with.

Secondly does anyone know where they got the scripture on the false prophet?

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10673 is a reply to message #10455 ] Wed, 18 December 2013 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then the False Prophet is a Charismatic Economist. He is the executor of the Global Government. This aspect has been overlooked a lot & people tend to think of him in just religious terms. However to be in Government the Economic aspect is the area that he will arise from. The religious part comes with his association with the Anti-Christ.



There is no where in scripture that states; the false prophet is an economist.

Clearly we see in the Bible this statement:


Revelation 19:20-21


20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.


The false prophet clearly worked signs that deceived people into receiving the mark of the beast.

This is where we cannot speculate concerning the book of Revelations but must take it at face value. I don't think we can add something to the Bible when it does not say it in the Word.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10759 is a reply to message #10455 ] Sun, 02 February 2014 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Marilyn wrote:

Now the Anti-Christ is the Political leader who is `the Assyrian,` (from the area of Iraq, Syria & Jordan).


Marilyn,

After doing some research I don't know if the Antichrist (one world ruler), can be an Assyrian.

The Bible shows that he will come from a Jewish background if we look into the original Hebrew. I have yet to find scripture relating this Assyrian to the one world ruler.

I base this on a scripture overlooked in Daniel.

Daniel 11:37
He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.

In the Hebrew this "God" of his fathers, is translated: אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'

This is how in the historical view they come up with the Antichrist being Jewish. His Fathers God was the God of the Hebrews. If you look in the same verse it says along with this; "nor regard any god", it is translated: אלהּ אלוהּ
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah

Making reference to all other deities, or idols speaking of other gods of the heathen.

If his Fathers God was not the Lord God then why make the distinction here is this verse.

This is why many hold to this view as it seems to be what the scripture is telling us about the Antichrist's background.


Lord Bless,
Gary




Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10760 is a reply to message #10759 ] Sun, 02 February 2014 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Some good questions there. I`ll let God`s word guide us.

`As the lion.....So will the Lord of hosts come down to wage war on Mount Zion & on its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, he will also deliver it; passing over, he will preserve it.......Then the Assyria(n,NAS) shall fall by a sword not of man..... (Isa. 31:4 -8)

Interesting to also note that the religion of Assyria is Christian. And also their area is in Syria & Iraq where the fighting is now. Mmmmm I wonder......

Hope that helps. Marilyn.

P.S. Also interesting to note is that Andre Agassi is an Assyrian.

References: NKJ & NAS and Wikipedia - Assyrian People.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10761 is a reply to message #10760 ] Sun, 02 February 2014 16:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

You'll have to educate me here. I don't know who Andre Agassi is?

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Then the Assyria(n,NAS) shall fall by a sword not of man..... (Isa. 31:4 -8)


I guess this is where we could split hairs on this scripture. The NKJV uses the word Assyria as well, meaning a country and not an individual.

Looking at the KJV it agrees with this thinking in using the word, the Assyrian. This reads in the Hebrew:

אשּׁר אשּׁוּר
'ashshûr 'ashshûr
ash-shoor', ash-shoor'
Apparently from H833 (in the sense of successful); Ashshur, the second son of Shem; also his descendants and the country occupied by them (that is, Assyria), its region and its empire: - Asshur, Assur, Assyria, Assyrians. See H838.

So the Assyrians are the descendants of Shem. But it does not clarify who this individual really is, it can lead to speculation.

Are there more scriptures pointing this out?

Looking at the whole chapter I cannot see where it is tied into the end time events. Daniel is definitely speaking of the time of the end, but I don't see where this chapter in Isaiah is tied in with the end of time. Can you see what I mean here?

I don't know if we can randomly take a scripture and apply it to Daniel's or Johns vision of the end time.

The historical view is speaking of the Antichrist and explains somethings involving his nature. What do you think about the scripture that he will not regard the God of his Fathers?

I will look this up in wikipedia an interesting concept but I think modern day Syria is muslim is it not?







Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10762 is a reply to message #10761 ] Sun, 02 February 2014 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Firstly I need to clear up your statement –

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`I don`t know if we can randomly take a scripture & apply it...`


Of course we all agree there, Gary. I was only answering your immediate question concerning the Assyrian. If you wanted a fuller explanation I would have given it.

Now concerning your questions & thoughts -

Andre Agassi

Andre Kirk Agassi is an American retired professional tennis player and former World No. 1, who was one of the game's most dominant players from the early 1990s to the mid-2000s.

Generally considered by critics and fellow players to be one of the greatest tennis players of all time, Agassi has been called the best service returner in the history of the game.

Agassi was born in Khorramabad, Lorestan, Iran to Emmanuel "Mike" Agassi and Elizabeth "Betty" Agassi (née Dudley).His father, a former Olympic boxer for Iran, is of Armenian and Assyrian descent.

The Assyrian

The Assyrians, also known as Syriacs, Chaldeans, and Chaldo-Assyrians (see names of Syriac Christians), are an ethnic group whose origins lie in ancient Mesopotamia.

Assyrians trace their ancestry back to the Sumero-Akkadian civilisation that emerged in Mesopotamia circa 4000–3500 BC, and in particular to the northern region of the Akkadian lands, which would become known as Assyria by the 24th century BC.

The Assyrian nation existed as an independent state, and often a powerful empire, from the 24th century BC until the end of the 7th century BC. Assyria remained a political entity after its fall and was ruled as an occupied province under the rule of various empires from the late 7th century BC until the mid-7th century AD when it was dissolved.

The Assyrian people have gradually become a minority in their homelands since that time.Today that ancient territory is part of several nations: the north of Iraq, part of southeast Turkey and northeast Syria. They are indigenous to, and have traditionally lived all over what is now Iraq, northeast Syria, northwest Iran, and south eastern Turkey. They are a Christian people, with most following various Eastern Rite Churches, although many are non-religious.

Although culturally similar, Assyrians are distinct linguistically, genetically and for the most part geographically from the Syrian Christians of Syria (except the northeast) and Lebanon.


(Reference Wikipedia & obviously their dates are wrong.)


Isaiah 31: 8

`and the Assyria shall fall by a sword not of man, & a sword not of mankind shall devour him. But he shall flee...

We can see that that is a person Gary, `he, him.` And we can see that he falls by a `sword not of mankind,` when the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion.` Joel 3: 16 & Zech. 14: 3 & 4 etc tell us that the Lord will come & deliver Jerusalem (Mount Zion is part of that) & stand on the Mount of Olives.

Not regard the God of his fathers.

You said people thought that meant he, the Anti-Christ, was Jewish (re: God) & modern day Syria is Moslem. I wrote that the religion of the Assyrian people is Christian (re: God) Of course there are other ethnic groups in Syria & Iraq who are Moslems.

Modern day Syria is made up of many ethnic groups & Assyrians are one of these & they are mainly Christians (re: God)

Other scriptures

I can give you other scriptures concerning the Anti-Christ but I think this is enough to work through first.

Blessings, Marilyn.


















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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10763 is a reply to message #10762 ] Mon, 03 February 2014 02:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

I googled Andre Agassi, but did not see the point that he is an Assyrian. I guess your saying he is a Christian showing the point of your statement and showing that he will "not regard the God of his fathers". In this case I can see where it would coincide with the scripture. But the Bible does not give unlimited details, only the basic structure of what will happen concerning this man.

A lot of times when I write a comment I see in my mind what I am thinking but it is not conveyed correctly while writing, as I forget that those reading do not have all the information that I would have. That's another story.

The Assyrian:

Okay let's concentrate on this man. Can you show in Daniel or Revelation where it makes mention that the Antichrist will be of Assyrian descent.

I just reread your post, and I was thinking does it matter in the long run what nationality he is (the antichrist)? We know for sure he will come on the world scene with great promises to deliver the world from all its chaos.

I do believe this man is on the earth today.

Thinking again about end time prophecies, God only gives us a simplified picture of what will take place. I think there are things still hidden and that many things all of us lack understanding in.

I am seeing this in the gospels, the disciples while walking with Jesus did not understand so much of the picture. After the Lord was crucified they had lost hope that "this was the one who was to come."

Quote:

So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel.


I'm only sharing some thoughts here as well, I do find this fascinating concerning the world events and what is taking place. I seriously believe we are on the verge of something major taking place that will change everything as we know it.

There is a great amount of "sin" taking place in this Country. Most young adults have given themselves over to fornication and adultery. The media is constantly belittling Christianity, and most in this country have the mindset that follows liberalism. With all our electronic gadgets it would be easy for everyone to accept the mark while mocking Christians who would refuse it. Many churches now are claiming there is nothing wrong with taking the mark of the beast because everyone will have to continue providing for their families. While sin and temptation abound many are growing cold.

Like I said; I do believe this one called the Antichrist is on this earth now, bidding his time, but God is still in control and it will be according to His time calendar when everything is set into motion.

Lord Bless,
Gary



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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10768 is a reply to message #10763 ] Mon, 03 February 2014 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

How are you going with understanding the context of the Assyria(n) in Isaiah 31:

You said (Mon. 3rd Feb 10761) -

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`Looking at the whole chapter I cannot see where it is tied into the end time events. Daniel is definitely speaking of the time of the end, but I don't see where this chapter in Isaiah is tied in with the end of time. Can you see what I mean here?`


I answered (Mon. 3rd Feb 10762)

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`Isaiah 31: 8

`and the Assyria shall fall by a sword not of man, & a sword not of mankind shall devour him. But he shall flee...

We can see that that is a person Gary, `he, him.` And we can see that he falls by a `sword not of mankind,` when the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion.` Joel 3: 16 & Zech. 14: 3 & 4 etc tell us that the Lord will come & deliver Jerusalem (Mount Zion is part of that) & stand on the Mount of Olives.`



Are you familiar with these other prophets besides Daniel & John?

Marilyn.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10773 is a reply to message #10768 ] Tue, 04 February 2014 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marilynn Wrote:

Are you familiar with these other prophets besides Daniel & John?

Marilyn.


Marilyn,

Are you trying to be facetious or sarcastic here?

Of course, I am familiar with not only these prophets but others as well.

The problem is the other prophets as you say do not mention anything about this mysterious Assyrian. This is why I referred you back to Daniel and John's revelation they are talking about the one world ruler, but nothing is mentioned about this Assyrian.

I read the whole chapter of Isaiah that you show here but there is nothing mentioned about a one world ruler. The only thing it says is:

Quote:


Isaiah 31:8
“Then Assyria shall fall by a sword not of man,
And a sword not of mankind shall devour him.
But he shall flee from the sword,
And his young men shall become forced labor.


Here's the original Hebrew text and it reads:

Quote:

Isa 31:8 Then shall the Assyrian fall with the sword, not of a mighty man; and the sword, not of a mean man, shall devour him: but he shall flee from the sword, and his young men shall be discomfited.


I can see where you can make this a man but even lets say it is a man there is still no reference of him being a one world leader. Your only taking a scripture and saying this is a man, which does not prove he's some world leader, because the Bible in this chapter does not say it.

This is why I am asking for more scripture references that mention the one world ruler is of Assyrian descent.

Please show me any other passages on this.

As for the historical view it is talking about the one world ruler in Daniel and says he will not regard the God of his fathers. This is plain language here. One, its directly talking about a one world ruler and secondly, gives us some additional information about him.

I see none of this in the verse or chapter you are quoting in Isaiah.

Lord Bless,
Gary








Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10780 is a reply to message #10773 ] Tue, 04 February 2014 16:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

I`m not trying to be `facetious or sarcastic,` Gary, just asking.
I have a dear old school friend staying for a few days & haven`t seen her for years, so we have lots to share & catch up.
So will get back to our discussion probably on the week-end.

Blessings, Marilyn.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10783 is a reply to message #10780 ] Tue, 04 February 2014 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

I thought the way you worded your question is why I thought that, no big deal.

I honestly do want to know all of the scriptures that show that the antichrist is of Assyrian descent. I have also been keeping up a little on this war in Syria, it almost appears that there will be nothing left of the country at the rate their going.

Anyway Thanks for clarifying your statement, sorry I misunderstood.

We had our Russian friends visiting recently from New York it is always good to hear from them. Have a good time visiting with your friend.

Lord Bless,
Gary




Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10793 is a reply to message #10783 ] Thu, 06 February 2014 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

The reason why I asked you concerning the other prophets was because you directed me to just Daniel & Revelation. Thus I thought you didn`t know too much of those other ones. So glad we have cleared that up that you have looked at the other prophets.

Now concerning our discussion. Today I received this from `Gracethrufaith` which is a great site with very good teaching from a man (missionary in Mexico I think) named Jack Kelly who answers peoples questions quite succinctly. I do agree with most of what he writes on his site & I think you would also.



Islam And The End Times

Wednesday, February 5th, 2014

• End Times
• Islam
• Past Featured

Perspective by Jack Kelley

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. (Rev. 13:8)
There’s a lot of interest these days in the role of Islam in the End Times. And from what I’m reading, a lot of misunderstanding, too. Recent surveys are shedding some light on the subject.
It’s clear that followers of Islam are increasing in number faster than any other religious group in the world. Their current growth rate is said to be four times faster than that of Christians. According to a recent survey by The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, those who practice Islam now make up nearly one-fourth of the world’s population at 1.57 billion members, second only to Christianity. This is revolutionary in nature and even though it’s happening right before our eyes, most Western Christians haven’t even noticed. And not only are Muslims the fastest growing religious group in the world, they also hold that distinction in the United States, Canada and Europe, with Europe perhaps being the model of where Canada and then the US are headed.

Comparing the current birth rates of native Europeans with Europe’s Muslim immigrant population leads us to one very clear and surprising conclusion: the Europe we have known is very quickly changing into what some already refer to as Eurabia, and will soon find itself under the power and control of Islam. Today there are more Muslims in Germany than there are in Lebanon. France’s Muslim population, while fewer in actual numbers than Germany’s, is a greater percentage of total French citizenry, and given the current rate at which church buildings are being converted there will soon be more mosques in England than functioning churches.

Following the rapture of the Church, Islam will be the most populous religious system on Earth by a wide margin. Whether you believe that Islam is a religion of peace or not, it’s pretty obvious that they’re not going to just go away after the rapture and abandon their long held dream of becoming the world’s dominant religion just at the point of realizing it.



What About Ezekiel 38?

Don’t make the mistake of thinking that Islam will no longer be a viable religious force after the Battle of Ezekiel 38 either. According to The Pew Forum report, the countries who will unite against Israel and be defeated there are a small percentage of the total Islamic population. For example, the four largest Islamic countries by population aren’t even involved. In fact, two thirds of all the world’s Moslems live in 10 countries and of those only Turkey (5) and Iran (6) are named by Ezekiel. Rough estimates indicate that as little as 15% of the Islamic world will be represented by the forces aligned against Israel, and remember it’s only their soldiers who die in battle, not their total populations. And given their dismal past performance in battles against Israel, it’s unlikely that the followers of Islam will desert their religion after Ezekiel 38 just because of one more defeat at the hands of the Jews.

And then there’s the fact that the end times leaders called the King of the North and the King of the South will both came from places that are decidedly Muslim today. Although they both emerged from the Greek Empire that doesn’t make them Western European. The first King of the North built his capital city, Seleucia, on the Tigris river in modern Iraq and the first King of the South lived in Egypt.Daniel 11:40 tells us the end times personifications of these two kings will still be contending for world dominance just prior to the beginning of the Great Tribulation.

Compare that to what will likely happen to the 2.2 billion strong “Christian” world in the Rapture and it’s not hard to see that Islam will be the strongest religious force on Earth as Daniel’s 70th Week begins. (After all, none of them will be raptured.) Islam would be the obvious choice for a man who wants to use a religious system to gain control of the world.
And remember, the anti-Christ won’t be confirming a covenant with Israel for the purpose of helping them. He’ll be doing it to help himself. By means of peace he’ll deceive many, Daniel warned (Daniel 8:25). And with the exception of the fleeing Jewish remnant, the world will be deceived, saying “Peace and safety” just as sudden destruction comes upon them (1 Thes. 5:3). But God will not be deceived. He’s already on the record, calling the seven year treaty a covenant with death (Isaiah 28:15). Doesn’t this covenant serve God’s purpose, you ask? Well of course everything that happens serves God’s purpose, but that doesn’t mean everything that happens is good for man. The Jews will think they’re getting a guarantee of peace but God will use the covenant to usher in Daniel’s 70th Week, a time when He’ll completely destroy the Gentile nations while purifying His covenant people (Jeremiah 30:4-11). It will be anything but peaceful.



I will write on other scriptures from God`s word re; the `Assyrian,` but thought that was a good add to our discussion.

Blessings, Marilyn.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10794 is a reply to message #10793 ] Fri, 07 February 2014 03:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

That was an interesting read. I am familiar with the Muslim population growing rapidly around the world. Many of the families will have over 15 to 20 children while most in the West who want fun and games will limit themselves to two children if that. Every one wants the American dream over here which is no more then a mirage their chasing.

The only thing I would question in that report is, I don't know if billions of Christians will be raptured. In fact as I have shared with you in the past, I believe the woman in revelations who gives birth to the man child, will be a target of the dragon who we know is the devil.

This woman is the unbelieving church that is left behind. In reading those scriptures it says God uses the earth to protect her. Later we see that the dragon goes to make war with her offspring who have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

But to be truthful what this man says makes a lot of sense. I got to admit he does make some good points, looking at the whole world playing a role in these end times. I can picture the Muslims being the dominant religion, "unless" God pours out His Spirit on the earth before the rapture and a great revival takes place and many are called to Christ.

That could change the whole picture dramatically.

I will definitely consider all this you shared here.

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Gary





Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10797 is a reply to message #10794 ] Fri, 07 February 2014 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

I thought I`d add these notes to our discussion. They are from (Apostle) A. Gardiner`s book, `Fires before the dawn.` (1992)

Daniel Ch. 11.

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`In this chapter was predicted the course of world history involving continual warfare between two great Empires, the legacy of Alexander the great. The Seleucid dynasty identified as Assyria, the King of the North, & the Ptolomaic Dynasty, the King of the South, i.e. Egypt including Libya.
Daniel (11: 40) is finally directed to jump two thousand years until the “Time of the End.” These two areas in the Middle East would again return to the focus of world attention. Each contending for key leadership of the Arab Countries, to be recognised as the Moslem Messiah.


Already we have witnessed Nasser of Egypt & Qaddafi of Libya striving for this position. God predicted they would fail, & fail they did. Daniel (11: 35 – 43) foretells that eventually, at the “Appointed Time,” the King of the North will prevail. Herein is established, beyond doubt or controversy, that the final leader of Islam, the Moslem Messiah, will unmistakeably appear in the area of the ancient Assyrian Empire: The King of the North. In fact his nationality is specifically confirmed as “The Assyrian,” by the prophets Isaiah (10: 24 & 31:8) and Micah (5: 5)


Ancient Assyria consisted of the present-day nations of Syria, Jordan & Iraq. Quite specifically, it is thus documented that, it is from this composite area that this leader will come. These are the three nations who will obviously consolidate in the foreseeable future as the power-base for the Charismatic Leader of Islam.

Watch – Syria, Jordan & Iraq!`



Gary, you may like to discuss this & those scriptures mentioned. I thought it good to just do a bit at a time.


Blessings, Marilyn.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10798 is a reply to message #10483 ] Sat, 08 February 2014 06:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

To be honest I would like to see this whole book in print in a PDF file before making any decision. I am only getting a very small glimpse of chapters.

It should not be that hard to put this book on PDF format. I am assuming it is not a very thick volume.

Lord Bless,
Gary

PS Overlook my other post I was reading the wrong post when I replied so I changed it to this one, to early in the morning I guess. LOL




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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10803 is a reply to message #10798 ] Sun, 09 February 2014 05:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

Without being able to see the complete book written by your uncle, it would be hard to make any decision here.

Assyria was used by God as a rod of judgement against many wicked nations including Israel. If you look at the history of the Nation, Israel became divided at the time when Solomon passed away and his son began to reign. As we know from Bible history he was a wicked king and we see that Israel was eventually carried off into captivity by the Assyrians, while at a later time, Judah was carried off by the Babylonians.

The Prophets foretold of these events.

When the nation was divided the only tribe left to David's kingdom was Judah which as we know the Messiah came through David's linage.

Israel followed Jeroboam and the nation became very wicked and as I said, they were carried off by the Assyrians:

Quote:

5 “Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger
And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
6 I will send him against an ungodly nation,
And against the people of My wrath
I will give him charge,
To seize the spoil, to take the prey,

And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.


Judah is the nation that returned from captivity and is now part of the remnant that makes up modern day Israel.

This is basically what is shown in the scriptures and what took place in any historical accounts. I assume without seeing your uncles book that he was aware of all this taking place.

By sharing this I am pointing out that Isaiah who prophesied against the nation of Israel concerning her sin and idolatry was telling them that God was going to use Assyria as His "rod of judgement". This is what he is speaking about in Isaiah 31.

Later in history God judged Assyria and this nation was destroyed.

Quote:

Isaiah 30:31
For through the voice of the Lord Assyria will be beaten down, As He strikes with the rod.


These scriptures are referring to what took place in history and I see no where in Isaiah 31 where it is tying this in with being the Antichrist, one world ruler, that will be on the earth during the end times.

As I said without seeing this book in full detail I do not know if your uncle is aware and makes mention of the historical account that took place.

In Daniel we can all agree he is speaking of the Antichrist because of all the details he is giving. In Isaiah 31 there is not a shred of evidence that this is referring to the end times. It only mentions Assyria being used in judgement against Israel.

Micah on the other hand may show that it is possible because of the prophecy concerning Bethlehem, which has taken place. The Assyrian "who will come into our land", appears to be yet in a future date.

Isaiah 10 can possibly be included in this as well, that is; "referring to a future date".

I will put these on the shelf for consideration as I don't want to rush into a quick assessment here.

The other problem I see in all of this is that when these prophets were giving these prophecies, the "gods" of the Assyrians was not, "the Lord God". So the scripture in Daniel which states the "God" of your fathers could not refer to the ancient Assyrian gods. Daniel's prophecy clearly shows the Antichrist to be of Jewish descent. Just because a remnant of Assyrians in our modern times are now Christians does not speak of who their past gods were in ancient Assyria.

One more thing I thought of here: Why let a book go out of print if God has shown this event to take place in this manner?

You guys are the only ones who I know of at least, who have come up with this view. I think if something was that profound from the scriptures you would at least keep the books copyright renewed.

I assume you realize that through the last two thousand years there has been endless accounts of this event that have not come to pass and many have had to change their theology as history has shown?

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10806 is a reply to message #10803 ] Mon, 10 February 2014 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

God`s Details

Thank you for that history. God`s word is so detailed whether its history, or His first coming or His second coming. And as we bring the various scriptures together we can see how God knows all things & planned all the ages. Just looking at the events & people coming up to the second coming the details are amazing.

For example, in relation to our topic, `The Assyrian,` is that the Anti-Christ, we see –

`The Lord comes from heaven (Rev. 19: 11), then to Bozrah in Edom, (Isa. 63: 1) then up to Mount Zion in Jerusalem, (Isa. 31: 4) over the valley of Jehoshaphat, (Joel 3: 2) to the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14: 4).` (etc)

Each part of scriptures adds to the picture & you could find much more. However it does show that Isaiah 31: 4 – 8 is not part of the history re: Assyria but is still to come, for the Lord has not as yet

`come down to fight for Mount Zion & for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending, He will also deliver it; Passing over, He will preserve it. .....Then Assyria (n) shall fall by a sword not of man, & a sword not of mankind shall devour him,...` (Isa. 31: 4 –8)

`And I saw heaven opened, & behold a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful & True, & in righteousness He judges & makes war,.....Now out of His moth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations.` (Rev. 19: 11 & 15)


Also interesting to note that only John uses the word the `Anti-Christ,` ( 1 John 2: 18, 22. 4: 3 & 2 John 7). Thus, as we know it is important to look at all the relevant scriptures & their context. Each give a bit more of the picture that God desires to show.

Here are some of the names given for the Anti-Christ (1 John 2: 18) describing where he comes from, his character & what he does.

Assyrian - which reveal his origin, (Isa. 31: 8 - Assyrian)
King of the North - area he comes from, (Dan. 11: 40 – North, old Assyria. Iraq, Syria & Jordan) & his character. (Dan. 11: 36 – 45 exalt & magnify himself etc, etc.)
King of Babylon – the city of his Global Government. (Isa. 14: 3 - 4 Rev. 17: 18)
Lawless one - what he does, (2 Thess. 2: 9 – power, signs & false wonders.)
Little Horn - have a power base of 3 countries. (Dan. 7: 8 – pull 3 horns out by the roots)
The Beast – leader of Global Government. Possessed by Satan. (Rev. 13: 3 & 4)



Who is looking into the Anti-Christ being Islamic?

Web Site: Gracethrufaith – Jack kelley.

Our website ministry continues to grow with thousands of visitors every day from 190 countries and territories around the world. With the exposure we get from other major websites that post our articles gracethrufaith.com has achieved worldwide popularity!

Islam And The End TimesWednesday, February 5th, 2014

There’s a lot of interest these days in the role of Islam in the End Times. And from what I’m reading, a lot of misunderstanding, too. Recent surveys are shedding some light on the subject......

In 2006 I first began writing on the similarities between Islamic prophecies of al Mahdi and Christian prophecies of the anti-Christ. I noted how both of these end times figures are said to come on the scene during a time of great turmoil on Earth, both come claiming a desire to restore peace, both have a seven year reign, both head a one world religion and one world government, both claim supernatural origins, and in both cases their reign is prophesied to end in a battle between good and evil that brings Earth’s final judgment. It almost sounds as if they’re the same person.

Back then almost all students of prophecy were still convinced that the anti-Christ had to be of Western European origin, aligned somehow with the Roman Catholic Church. But since then I’ve become aware of more and more people who are taking a second look at this traditional view, and are considering the possibility of a world leader coming from the Eastern leg of the Roman Empire, largely Islamic today.

Also -


The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson

Free Worldwide Delivery : The Islamic Antichrist : Hardback : Midpoint Trade Books : 9781935071129 : 1935071122 : 01 Aug 2009 : The Bible predicts that in the last days a charismatic leader will establish a global following in the name of peace. The Koran also predicts that a man will rise up to lead. Read more
BookDepository.com - Go to shop


Hope that gives you a broader picture of who is looking into this topic, Gary.


Marilyn.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10807 is a reply to message #10806 ] Tue, 11 February 2014 04:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

I will keep an eye out on these events. For now it does not appear that the Muslims could come to any agreement between them to unite in a ten nation confederacy. So much division and war between them.

But I can see two sides of a coin if the Antichrist was from the Roman empire the Muslims may reject him as a leader, but one of their own they may readily accept.

The Apostate church world will accept whoever comes along, while true Christians will reject this world leader because of the Bible.

I did hear that this summer the Common Market nations are planning on some type of restructuring. I don't know if anything will come of that. But right now with 27 nations involved I cannot see them being the ten nations mentioned in the Bible.

Interesting for sure.

Like I said, I would love to read your uncles book. It would be nice if he had some old copies laying around, I would even pay the shipping to get one. I would like to see the whole picture on what he has written.

In Him,
Gary




Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10809 is a reply to message #10807 ] Tue, 11 February 2014 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

You said -

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`I will keep an eye out on these events. For now it does not appear that the Muslims could come to any agreement between them to unite in a ten nation confederacy. So much division and war between them.`


We certainly live in exciting times with so much happening (prophesied from scripture) before our very eyes. Now concerning the forming of the Islamic confederacy, let`s see what is already here & what is forming.


THE FORMING OF THE ISLAMIC CONFEDERATION.

The Gulf Cooperation Council – The GCC (6 & 1 to come)

7 - Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Saudi Arabia, & Yemen (in 2015/6).


The Islamic State of Iraq & Syria with Jordan to come.

3 – Iraq, Syria & Jordan. These are in the process of forming an alliance. This is the old area of Assyria & many believe that this will be the power base of the Islamic leader.


I mentioned on an earlier comment that the main group there is called `The Islamic State of Iraq & Syria. (the Levant) It was established in the early years of the Iraq war & has become the umbrella organisation of insurgent groups there.


A recent report says -

`Intelligence analysts have concluded that the ultimate purpose of these thousands of foreign fighters from across the Muslim world, as well as Europe & North America, have flocked to Syria to bolster the al–Qaeda-linked groups operating in Syria with plans to establish a new, powerful Islamic state at the heart of the Middle East.
This state is intended in the first instance to devour large swathes of Iraq & Syria, before the founders turn their sights on .... Jordan.`

(Ref: Prophecy News Watch. 28/01/2014)


As (Apostle) A. Gardiner said back in 1992, `Watch Iraq, Syria & Jordan!` And we`ll certainly be doing that.

Journeying together in Him, Marilyn.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10811 is a reply to message #10803 ] Fri, 14 February 2014 17:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Re: the origin of the Anti-Christ. I thought these comments from the Bible teacher, Jack Kelley, would be interesting.

Gracethrufaith. (site)

Islamic Anti-Christ? Follow Up

Saturday, February 19th, 2011

Q. In a recent answer you said you believe the anti-Christ could be Muslim. I think that your scenario is unlikely. I read in the book of Daniel that – the whole reason he is the anti-Christ, that is the anti-messiah, is that he is a false Jewish religious leader, and not the “Muslim” 12th Imam. Israel would thus never accept him, and we know that the state of Israel “will receive” the anti-Christ.


A. In Matt 24:15 Jesus warned all covenant keeping Jews to flee into the desert when the Abomination of Desolation (the anti-Christ standing in the Temple claiming to be God) takes place. This will include both Old Covenant Jews and Messianic believers who missed the rapture. After that the majority of Jews left in Israel will be unbelievers who won’t be concerned about the religious beliefs of their leaders.

Also, in Ezekiel 44:7-8 we see that one of the first things God will do upon returning to the Temple after the 2nd Coming will be to accuse the Jews of bringing uncircumcised foreigners into His sanctuary and putting them in charge. This can only be a reference to the anti-Christ and the false prophet and confirms they won’t be Jewish.

Interesting, ay, Gary.
Marilyn.




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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10817 is a reply to message #10811 ] Sun, 16 February 2014 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Marilyn,

Have you read the series of books by Joel Rosenberg? I think there is five volumes and the first in the series is called, "The last Jihad". This is a fictional series written by a Jewish Christian.

I very much enjoyed the series and it painted a surreal picture of the end times that very well could happen. Anyway one of the books is called, "The Twelfth Iman".

I just realized he is saying the same thing in these books that you are saying here. Evidently he believes this to some degree and this is why he incorporated it into his story.

If you have not read these, you might find it interesting what this man has wrote. While reading the series which is presented as fictional, I could very well see where this scenario could be played out on the world scene.

I don't know what he believes on the teachings of the end times, but I did find the books very fascinating.

Have you heard of these books and this Jewish Christian?

He shows the AntiChrist as being Muslim in the series.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10818 is a reply to message #10817 ] Sun, 16 February 2014 04:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Marilyn Wrote; A. In Matt 24:15 Jesus warned all covenant keeping Jews to flee into the desert when the Abomination of Desolation (the anti-Christ standing in the Temple claiming to be God) takes place. This will include both Old Covenant Jews and Messianic believers who missed the rapture. After that the majority of Jews left in Israel will be unbelievers who won’t be concerned about the religious beliefs of their leaders.

Also, in Ezekiel 44:7-8 we see that one of the first things God will do upon returning to the Temple after the 2nd Coming will be to accuse the Jews of bringing uncircumcised foreigners into His sanctuary and putting them in charge. This can only be a reference to the anti-Christ and the false prophet and confirms they won’t be Jewish.

Interesting, ay, Gary.
Marilyn.


One more thing!

That's a very good thought concerning these scriptures.

This one world ruler will turn on the Jews and will defile the temple.

The Antichrist will place the "Abomination of desolation" in the sanctuary. This is the sign Jesus spoke of that is showing the end is near, and they are told to flee.

Cyprus is off the western shore of Syria. The ships will come against the Antichrist. This is what will make this one world ruler angry and he then breaks the covenant with the Jews.

Quote:

Daniel 11:30-32
30 For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage.

“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. 31 And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. 32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.


Jesus remember is telling his disciples:

Quote:

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

In Marks account:

Mark 13:13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house.


More later

Gary


Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10819 is a reply to message #10818 ] Sun, 16 February 2014 05:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry I had to break this up into different posts here.

I wanted to say this has got my curiosity up but I don't want to get into all these questions that I am thinking about, as I thought it will lead off onto a tangent of ideas and will lead us away from this idea of the one world rulers origin.

I will say one thing, it seems to be more scriptures speaking about this then what is given in what we are calling the historical view.

So far if what you have been saying is what the Lord showed your uncle I must admit he has a very good exegesis of this idea as being in scripture.

I am taking a serious look at this historical view in light of scripture to see how are they coming to the conclusions that they are making as well.

Back to the original topic here, Syria has been making a lot of headlines in the news. These atrocities are taking place in a number of different Arab nations but for some reason Syria has become the main focus of the news media.

Lord Bless,
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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10820 is a reply to message #10819 ] Sun, 16 February 2014 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

The name Joel Rosenberg does ring a bell in my brain Rolling Eyes but I have not read his books. I`ll take a look when I`m in our book shop here. Thanks for that.

Glad you are taking a good look at both views, as we need, especially in these times to be clear on what God is saying, so as Christians we can share with others correctly concerning these days.

I have appreciated this discussion & look forward to more as I write from Uncle`s book.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10824 is a reply to message #10820 ] Mon, 17 February 2014 17:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Just something of interest you may like to research.

In Wikipedia `Assyrian people,` is says that `The Assyrians, also known as......Chaldeans....are an ethnic group whose origins lie in ancient Mesopotamia.`

The Chaldeans - mmmm does that ring a bell? Why yes said my husband Trevor that was where Abraham`s father came from.

`And Terah took his son Abram & his grandson Lot, the son of Haran, & his daughter-in-law Sarai, his son Abram`s wife, & they went out with them from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan....` (Gen. 11: 31)

`Now the Lord had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, from your kindred & from your father`s house,...` (Gen. 12: 1)


Interesting. Marilyn.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10825 is a reply to message #10819 ] Mon, 17 February 2014 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

You said -

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`for some reason Syria has become the main focus of the news media.`


My take on that is because it is the centre of the superpowers interest in the Middle East at the moment. Russia supporting President Assad with arms etc while America is on the Islamic Rebels side. Basically it is a fight between the Shiites & the Sunnis (Islamic groups).

As Uncle said 22 years ago in 1992, `Watch Iraq, Syria & Jordan.` And the media is certainly doing that.

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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10826 is a reply to message #10825 ] Mon, 17 February 2014 18:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marilyn Crow wrote on Mon, 17 February 2014 18:47

Hi Gary,

You said -

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`for some reason Syria has become the main focus of the news media.`


My take on that is because it is the centre of the superpowers interest in the Middle East at the moment. Russia supporting President Assad with arms etc while America is on the Islamic Rebels side. Basically it is a fight between the Shiites & the Sunnis (Islamic groups).

As Uncle said 22 years ago in 1992, `Watch Iraq, Syria & Jordan.` And the media is certainly doing that.

Marilyn.




Hi Marilyn,

What is interesting is; When Russia was fighting in Afghanistan, America was training Osama Bin Laden and supplying him with weapons to fight the Russians.

It almost appears like a war is going on between bigger nations while they are using small nations as their pawns, to fight the battles.

Gary







Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10827 is a reply to message #10826 ] Mon, 17 February 2014 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Gary,

Yes so true, the bigger powers using the smaller ones as pawns. Also remember the bottom line is really about the oil. That is what Uncle was talking about in his first chapter, which I have yet to finish. The West needs stability in the Middle East with the countries around there to be pro-US. This Syrian civil war could effect the oil prices they think.


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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10836 is a reply to message #9962 ] Fri, 21 February 2014 09:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here is a link (youtube videos) that I've found that goes into much detail concerning Islam and the end times and the biblical thinking behind the view.

The guy is Walid Shoebat and while I don't agree with everything he says it is a pretty good overview of the principle parts of the discussion. He is a very interesting character! <grin>

There are 3 parts but I'm only linking the first one... you should be able to find the other 2 parts from this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bObG_32muSc


Blessings,
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Re: Is the Syrian Conflict is in the Bible? [message #10838 is a reply to message #10836 ] Fri, 21 February 2014 13:31 Go to previous message
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william wrote on Fri, 21 February 2014 10:47

Here is a link (youtube videos) that I've found that goes into much detail concerning Islam and the end times and the biblical thinking behind the view.

The guy is Walid Shoebat and while I don't agree with everything he says it is a pretty good overview of the principle parts of the discussion. He is a very interesting character! <grin>

There are 3 parts but I'm only linking the first one... you should be able to find the other 2 parts from this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bObG_32muSc


Blessings,
William





William,

Just watched the first video, will watch more tonight. This is very interesting. I do think there is something to all this.

I am finding what we call the historical view on the end times, leaves us with a lot of unanswered questions. When you look at all the scriptures concerning the Arab Countries and the Muslim influence it makes more sense.

Thanks for sharing this.

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