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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10602 is a reply to message #10600 ] Mon, 09 December 2013 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gillyann,

You are confusing a couple of issues here <<HUG>> (I know that can be taken as sarcasm and it is, but I do have a point by using the device and the point is <<PLEASE DON'T GET OFFENDED>>)

Look at all of the notes. Marilyn has been welcomed with open arms and anyone else who has popped in over the last few years has been similarly treated. Yes, we all have a history of being known as a 'suspicious' bunch but I'd say that a lot of that stuff no longer applies.

Secondly, and this is important, Marilyn, unlike you, unlike Sue, and I've forgotten if there are any other females, but unlike anyone else, -- has come to teach. I don't mean teach by example, or teach by being gracious, or anything like that, I mean that she has come here to TEACH Doctrine.

She has made the passage in Gal 3:28 (There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.) to be her rally cry for females being accorded the same privilege as men to be able to teach.

Now you of all people should know that this issue alone, even if she had brought up no other topic, was going to raise the eyebrows of all who have been in our circles. Heck, it would cause problems on 80% of Christian forums! Nonetheless, we have given her a platform.

But laying aside the female/teacher issue, you know for a fact that if a man had come in and was saying the EXACT SAME THING, the reactions would be EXACTLY the same. No one would pull any punches and reactions would no doubt mirror the reactions toward Marilyn. You have reacted the EXACT SAME WAY toward others when you have perceived doctrinal error, (antisemitism, etc.,) even directing some of it to Marilyn, early on, if I'm remembering it right.

I'm not pointing this out to criticize you, I'm only saying that your perspective toward Jman and the others, (me included) should take all of this into consideration before jumping to the conclusion that something unfair is taking place.

A teacher is going to be, and should be, held to a higher standard when doctrine is concerned. If someone comes in here as a fashion model, or as a movie star, or whatever, they are going to be treated with as much courtesy as we can muster. I believe that is true. I hope that we would treat them as well as we would treat someone we met at the grocery store...

But this isn't the case here. There is a double standard. Most of the time "double standards" imply hypocrisy but not here... the Bible gives us this double standard regarding teachers.

One needs to look no further that Paul's reaction to Peter in Gal 2:11 to see the tremendous responsibility required when doctrine is concerned. (cf. James 3:1)

My point is this: Marilyn is being treated in the same way we would treat anyone who was trying to teach something that we didn't understand. If she is truly a teacher then she should expect this kind of scrutiny, it comes with the territory. (Marilyn, I disagree with your comment about "playing" nicely with mittens... we aren't "playing" here, doctrine is serious business with us.)

Thirdly, she hasn't done a very good job at answering questions that have been raised but continues to move at break-neck speed to other doctrinal issues. Surely you understand how this can be frustrating, especially for us dull minded men!

If Marilyn is "hurting" then I have to ask why? I don't know of any personal issue she has, I'm not privy to any private PM's you may have that describes this condition, and I'm sorry to say I'm not a mind-reader. If she lets us know, you'll see some serious compassion and prayers on her behalf but if she is "hurting" because of being challenged concerning her teaching, well, that is a problem without a remedy and I'm just going to have to cruelly say, suck it up, Jeremiah, it's going to get worse!! Jer 12:5

Blessings,
William









[Updated on: Mon, 09 December 2013 16:57]


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10603 is a reply to message #10602 ] Mon, 09 December 2013 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Heck, it would cause problems on 80% of Christian forums! Nonetheless, we have given her a platform.

You are not suppose to shoot cuss! Shocked lol Just trying to keep it light. Laughing Razz


I admit, this whole thing has gotten me very upset. I hate to see division. We all have personality differences and quirks, but this is waaayyyy over the top for me. Somehow, this has gotten way out of hand and this is rare for OO for things to get this far.

Yes, I did go overboard on the Anti-Semitism issue. The issue is beginning to raise it's head more than ever in the world and I was adamant about it. I attacked like a junk yard dog. I felt like it was Ok since it was about "the apple of His eye," but, looking back, my attitude was way off.

I don't believe a woman should teach. I believe the Word is very clear about that. Also, the judgment is very harsh for teachers. I don't need any more trouble, so I would run from that office.

It gets complicated when PM's go back and forth and then we write on the board. I knew her feelings were hurt before I even approached her to see if she was OK. She was not OK.

Marilyn, I feel like I am acting like you are not in the room! I don't mean to do that. I am just trying to explain why I reacted the way I did and I want you to be OK, too.

Whether you feel like woman should teach or not is between you, Jesus, and the people on this board if the conversation continues. Rolling Eyes I don't know if that is a good idea at this point. Rolling Eyes We all know where everyone stands and maybe we should just let it be. Believe me, it can get a whole lot worse!!! A whooooollleee lot worse! If everyone else is up for it, fine. I am not. I officially bow out.

Marilyn, you know I will always be there for you. All of this is between you all now, though.

Thank you, William for taking the time to explain. I hope you don't see that as a compliment because Gary does not like it. Razz Laughing

Soooo......that is how I feel. Smile



Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10604 is a reply to message #10602 ] Mon, 09 December 2013 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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William,

I think we are all weary of this, but I would like to finish by pointing out what I see has happened. Have you heard of people asking questions that whatever way you answer you would be in the wrong?

Eg. `Do you still beat your wife?`

If you said yes, then you do still beat her. However if you say no, then it implies that you did used to beat your wife. So what about the person who never beat his wife. He couldn`t answer yes or no. He`d have to say `I never did beat my wife.`


This is what has happened. Jman accused me of presenting a `new doctrine.` I tell him I am not. But he keeps at it saying I have `crossed a line` because I ran two words together Kingpriest. I said I would separate them. And then again he says `please lay out this doctrine..` Others get involved -William you say I`m presenting an `esoteric doctrine,` & then Gary finds sites on the internet which seems to back up this so-called doctrine. I say it is false teaching & accused of a `snow job.` Further still William you keep asking me for `this doctrine,` (which I said I don`t have.)


But you see whatever I say will not match up with the first accusation `new doctrine` I am supposed to be bringing/teaching. The more I try to explain the more people think I am evading the issue. However William you said `If that is all you are saying, why didn`t you say so.` Great some clarity. But what we were saying got lost in the hunt for this so-called `new doctrine.`


Then just when everyone`s had enough & tried to understand each other, lessons learnt, then along comes the fire stirrer (Jman) & accuses again calling me `slippery, crafty...` & William you fall into line & say I`m `building a whole new doctrine.`

Gillyann insightfully points out Jman`s rude accusations when he said, ` How slippery (slimy), & crafty (suggests manipulation which is witchcraft) my comment was. She said `These are strong & flat out of order accusations towards Marilyn`s character.`


I again say I am not presenting a new doctrine. I came on OO to be able to discuss the word with others on a variety of topics & to share what I had been taught concerning `end times.`


Blessings in Christ, Marilyn.

[Updated on: Mon, 09 December 2013 23:22]


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10605 is a reply to message #10604 ] Tue, 10 December 2013 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Worthy is the Lamb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgmCfr-eDH8

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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10606 is a reply to message #10605 ] Tue, 10 December 2013 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Truly amazing Gary,

Thank you for the link. Lifting up Jesus.

Marilyn.


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10607 is a reply to message #10606 ] Tue, 10 December 2013 18:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 10 December 2013 19:18

Truly amazing Gary,

Thank you for the link. Lifting up Jesus.

Marilyn.


Hi Marilyn,

I thought you'd left us I was going to write a note that I'd see you at Andrews. Glad to see your still hanging in there.

Gary



Re: New Order of Beings [message #10608 is a reply to message #10512 ] Tue, 10 December 2013 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GWB,

I got an e-mail from someone unknown to me saying I had done
wrong by 2 women and that I am not Biblical for having a name
like Wishing34.

Just thought you would enjoy the encouragement that others also
think I am wrong as relating to 2 women ( must be you and
Marylin that he/she is thinking of ).

-----------

To the emailer please do join this site ( if not already ), and I do not intend that
to imitate your challenging tone. I seriously think you would enjoy
it. It can be challenging to organize/communicate your thoughts, and that
is actually a good thing - and kinda fun. Really, please consider
participating. I promise I will encourage and help if I can.


I already like you because of your passion. Lots of people
around here oscillate between liking what I say and not. You will
not be alone. You will probably find excellent comradery here.

------

And - regarding "wishing34" - In a melancholy moment and
being reminded ( by discovering OO ) of the old FA days while signing
up I typed that name because I was wishing it all had worked.

Regarding that I do not take PM messages. ( or use backchannel emails )
I do not take PM messages because of baggage that is maybe unique
to me ( and I am not criticle of PM's ) . Decades ago I long endured much
character assasination by secret, behind the scenes gossip and criticism.


So now I only communicate in the open.



--------

Again, I believe you will have a good experience if you participate.
With the passion to send that email you should be posting with us.



( Posted in this thread to be sure the emailer finds it )


Jman





---sig------------------------------------------------------ ------------

At the time of this post . . .

FA, the satellites, the spinoffs,and the FA diaspora have been having church
without apostles for 41 years and 344 days.
Initial start date 1/1/72


Recommended: No faith stands that strongly impact our (our children's) lives until we figure out
why the signs and wonders are missing. Something is wrong.












Re: New Order of Beings [message #10609 is a reply to message #10607 ] Tue, 10 December 2013 22:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary,

I haven`t left. I just said `finish` in relation to the last topic. We all get in a muddle & misinterpret each other sometimes. Thanks for caring - re seeing me on Andrew`s site.

Peace on OO & goodwill towards each other. Marilyn.

[Updated on: Tue, 10 December 2013 22:42]


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10610 is a reply to message #10608 ] Tue, 10 December 2013 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To Jman or "wishing" 34:

I appreciate the transparency.

I sent the email.


I love being transparent.


What is your full name?

Did you attend the Glory Barn?

If so, where did you sit?

When did you attend FA?

Did you marry someone from FA?

If so, what is her maiden name?

Where did she live.

Who did she fellowship with?

When did she attend FA?

Where did you live?

Where did you sit at the building?

Who were you close to and who did you fellowship with?

In short......WHO ARE YOU??

What was your experience at FA? What has happened since then?

Are you OK with your experience? If not, why.

I can't wait to get to know you better.


"Decades ago I long endured much character assassination by secret, behind the scenes gossip and criticism."


Well.....so did I. I was shunned and was the topic of a sermon. I endured a lot of heartache as well.

What??......What happened??

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 00:55]


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10613 is a reply to message #10610 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 00:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also, *wishing* 34.....


What are you "wishing" about and to whom are you "wishing" ?



Please tell me the exact number and series of teaching where *wishing* is correct for a follower of Jesus.


I have members of my family who are delivered from the occult, by faith, in Jesus Name. They will have a glorious testimony.

They did not have the great opportunity, like you did, to attend FA and have access to the teachings of HEF.

You have not confirmed your exact presence to me when attending FA, so I will let you know if I think you were really a member of FA or not.

My family *wishes* to their pagan Gods of Wicca and to the gods of Lucifer.

I walk into their houses and see their alters to the gods they *wish* to.

I have to tear those "wishing" alters down every morning and night in prayer, by faith.

Just answer the simple questions I have presented to you. I will answer all of them for myself!!! NO problem!

You know that Satanists/Luciferians hate his (Hobart E. Freeman) guts for a reason...right???

Tell me why.

You are so full of the knowledge of the tapes and teachings and why FA existed. Tell me why.

Tell me why, when HEF was attending The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary,(and June and His three daughters were living in Charlestown, Indiana,) the Satanists, in Louisville, Kentucky, (the 2nd largest Satanic church in American) hated his guts.

You know where this is referenced in his books and on the tapes, right?

List them........list them.

I can.

So, don't come on OO and act like you have the right to have "attitude."

Don't come on OO and act like you are above women/a woman who has/have suffered and fought to stay alive, by faith....alone....without any help....crying out to God every night.

When you can roll over, every single night in bed, and don't know if you will be murdered and wake up in heaven or not, maybe I will listen to you.

If you have been a faithful follower of OO, you will know what I am talking about.

In the meantime....just answer the simple little questions I have presented.

Thank you for any consideration. Jesus did the same. So I will too.

In the meantime, I would start preparing for the type of persecution that I have mentioned above. It is not coming, it is here.

I trust you have listened to the teachings of the Blood, faith, and dying with your physical body. Not just dying about attitude, but dying and you are in heaven or hell.

Again, thank you for any consideration.




[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 00:54]


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10614 is a reply to message #10512 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi GWB,

Interesting. I had no idea you sent the email.

Quote:


Jman :"Decades ago I long endured much character assassination by secret, behind the scenes gossip and criticism."

GWB: Well.....so did I. I was shunned and was the topic of a sermon. I endured a lot of heartache as well.



Looks like we have this in common. I was juicy pulpit red meat for sermons after I left the assembly ( satelite church ) .
I know how it feels. And you loose all your fellowship/friends also, at least for a while. I'm so sorry that happened
to you.

------------------------

As far as your list of questions, I have chosen anonymity for this very reason we share in common -
I have baggage about it from the past.

Christians have a knack for character assasination. I fully expected to get the same gossip, criticism, and
character assasination when I signed up here. So I came in anonymous and want to stay so.

-----------------------

Quote:


In short......WHO ARE YOU??





I think it is clear that I am someone who was part of the FA churches.
I am someone carrying baggage as I think I have said before.
I have a knack for decribing theology - but I claim no gift.
I'm pretty much a recluse, a cantankerous ( recent word <grin> ) - old fart.




Jman





---sig------------------------------------------------------ ------------

At the time of this post . . .

FA, the satellites, the spinoffs,and the FA diaspora have been having church
without apostles for 41 years and 345 days.
Initial start date 1/1/72


Recommended: No faith stands that strongly impact our (our children's) lives until we figure out
why the signs and wonders are missing. Something is wrong.











Re: New Order of Beings [message #10615 is a reply to message #10614 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jman,

You said,

Quote:

`I am someone carrying baggage as I think I have said before..`


There is no need to `carry baggage,` as William has said before that the place we all meet is at the foot of the cross. That is where our burdens are lifted, otherwise they just become excuses for our bad behaviour.

Marilyn.


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10616 is a reply to message #10512 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 01:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GWB,


To me "wishing" has a meaning little different than "wanting."

But I do not have the experiences with occult family members that you have,
so the word does not key associations with the occult to me.

Quote:


. . . so I will let you know if I think you were really a member of FA or not.



I definitely was not a member of FA.



For much of what you said there is no response for me to have.
I actually do not know the Satanists/Luciferians references on HEF's tapes/books.

More tomorrow if you want. This is way, way past an old man's bedtime.




Jman





---sig------------------------------------------------------ ------------

At the time of this post . . .

FA, the satellites, the spinoffs,and the FA diaspora have been having church
without apostles for 41 years and 345 days.
Initial start date 1/1/72


Recommended: No faith stands that strongly impact our (our children's) lives until we figure out
why the signs and wonders are missing. Something is wrong.













Re: New Order of Beings [message #10617 is a reply to message #10615 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jman,


I don't buy your answers.

I don't buy your vague answers. It is either black or white.

Be honest and answers my questions.

OO is not a joke and a place to play games.

We are in this for life and death.


Please review my previous posts.


We don't have the luxury of having "baggage."


I did not have the luxury of having "baggage" when I was believing to stay alive in a house surrounded by Satanists. I really don't care if you believe that or not. Pretty soon, you will know that it is true.

Either you live or die by Jesus.


Live and speak Truth. Die to yourself and to your physical body and live for eternity.


Time is short. We don't have time for games.

I said I would take it to the dirt. I have and I will continue to do so.

We came from dirt and we will go back to it if He tarries.

To die is gain.....DEATH. Period.



Again, answer the questions I have listed. Your name, the Body you were involved in, what city, who came and ministered to you from FA?

Answer these simple questions, Jman, or you do not belong on OO.

You have PRETENDED to be a part of us if you can't. If you are not from FA fine, but, please, just admit it.

It is SO simple. Let's take it to the dirt.

Who are you?

No. You are not clear. You have appeared on here for years. But, I don't know who you are. You don't have the luxury of claiming anonymity either. Not with FA!!!! Not with the message HEF delivered!

You denounce everything you have ever said on OO or fess up to who you are.

You have thrown yourself around on here for long enough. This is about more than who you are. This about people who will die for their faith. You can't even tell us your name!!!



Name? Location? Body? 5-Fold Minister who came to you minister to your Body?

Don't come on here and think you can question anyone's character in Jesus and we don't even know if "You were a part of us."

I want answers. Yes, I want solid answers.

You have pretended to be something and someone that you are not unless you can answer my questions.



"You can only communicate in the open."


OK, Jman. Do so.


Not dropping this.......

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 02:14]


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10618 is a reply to message #10608 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 04:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Jman wrote: Regarding that I do not take PM messages. ( or use backchannel emails )
I do not take PM messages because of baggage that is maybe unique
to me ( and I am not criticle of PM's ) . Decades ago I long endured much
character assasination by secret, behind the scenes gossip and criticism.


So now I only communicate in the open.


Jman,

You should be commended for this because there is a lot of backbiting going on in PM's.

Character assasinations by the gossips and critics is what Jesus went through as well so don't feel alone there brother, all of us has had to endure this somewhat.

Gary






Re: New Order of Beings [message #10619 is a reply to message #10618 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 04:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

GWB Wrote: OO is not a joke and a place to play games.

We are in this for life and death.


Very Happy

This is just the unreal world of cyberspace. We may never meet in this life, its just peoples thoughts and experiences floating on the internet.

If we were all in a room setting around a table talking we would have a whole different attitude. When your with people its a whole different ballgame.

Gary


Re: New Order of Beings [message #10620 is a reply to message #10618 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 04:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nothing has been shared in PM's on my part towards Jman that has not been shared in the open.

This matter has nothing to do with personal PM's.

It have everything to do with what he has not shared concerning who he is and why he thinks he has authority to act like he is a part of FA.

It is all out in the open on everyone else's part.


It is Jman's turn to be open and reveal who he really is.


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10621 is a reply to message #10620 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 06:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GWB wrote on Wed, 11 December 2013 05:51

Nothing has been shared in PM's on my part towards Jman that has not been shared in the open.

This matter has nothing to do with personal PM's.

It have everything to do with what he has not shared concerning who he is and why he thinks he has authority to act like he is a part of FA.

It is all out in the open on everyone else's part.


It is Jman's turn to be open and reveal who he really is.



Oh Yeah! Next your going to want to know where Clark Kent keeps running off too. Where does it stop? Rolling Eyes

Gary



Re: New Order of Beings [message #10623 is a reply to message #10621 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 08:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary,

It stops here. Not that it matters, but I am surprised you have Jman's back on this. I don't have anything else to say to you.


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10624 is a reply to message #10512 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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QWB,



Responding to what you said regarding no anonymity allowed.

What does it matter in a Biblical discussion about specific verses, on an internet forum, who says
a particular idea? Is the idea any less true or false depending upon who said it?

The message HEF delivered stands or falls based on the verses not who it is that is quoting the verses.

And a "verse quoter" need not even have been a part of FA - as long as they are accurately quoting the verses.

If you want to say I was not part of FA ( I have said I was in a satelite church ) then just assume
I am a stranger who knows all about what happened and all about the various doctrines. It will all still come down
to the verses we discuss, not who we are or were decades ago.


==========================================

GWB. I am not going to stop being anonymous. If you want to get rid of me you could lobby William
to change the anonymity policy.






Jman





---sig------------------------------------------------------ ------------

At the time of this post . . .

FA, the satellites, the spinoffs,and the FA diaspora have been having church
without apostles for 41 years and 345 days.
Initial start date 1/1/72


Recommended: No faith stands that strongly impact our (our children's) lives until we figure out
why the signs and wonders are missing. Something is wrong.












Re: New Order of Beings [message #10625 is a reply to message #10623 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jman,

I knew you would not answer one of the questions, let alone all of them.

I asked the questions because you do not represent what FA was at all. I simply can't believe you heard what I heard and are so disrespectful about the message and to people.

I will simply call you out when I see your arrogance and disrespect again.

Many people read OO and not just former members. I will let them know that your behavior is unacceptable of a man, let alone an "Overcomer."

And you wonder why the signs are not following.

Shock. I am done and have nothing else to say. Watch your back.


Shalom,

GWB

"Be still and know that I am God."
Re: New Order of Beings [message #10626 is a reply to message #10619 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 11:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary,

You said,


Quote:

`This is just the unreal world of cyberspace. We may never meet in this life, its just peoples thoughts and experiences floating on the internet.

If we were all in a room setting around a table talking we would have a whole different attitude. When your with people its a whole different ballgame.`





Not wanting to misinterpret you here, but wouldn`t our motivation be the same whether we are talking to a person face to face or over the internet, on the phone, in a letter, etc.

Looking at William`s temporary heading & what James has given as the word for the day, I think clarity is needed here so we can hear your heart, brother.

Blessings, Marilyn.

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 12:01]


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10627 is a reply to message #10626 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marilyn Crow wrote on Wed, 11 December 2013 12:56

Gary,

Not wanting to misinterpret you here, but wouldn`t our motivation be the same whether we are talking to a person face to face or over the internet, on the phone, in a letter, etc.

Looking at William`s temporary heading & what James has given as the word for the day, I think clarity is needed here so we can hear your heart, brother.

Blessings, Marilyn.


Now think about it. If we could see each other and was having a conversation. We would be able to see our facial expressions, the attitude in how something was being said. It would be just a casual, friendly discussion.

On the internet we can only see words written and they can affect us how ever we see them as we cannot see a persons actions if they were speaking.

For me I'm sure William has written this title with tongue in cheek. I thought it was funny when I saw it and got a good laugh. But there was a measure of truth there. But I attribute it all the fact we cannot see each other as we speak, so we read words and assume attitudes are being manifested, or were being attacked.

Plus I think the devil uses fiery darts to affect peoples minds in how they read something on a forum board.

The other day James made a statement, I commented, I thought he was throwing the baby out the window with the bathwater. William wrote later, I don't think he was saying what your implying from your comment. I went back and reread it in a different light and sure enough I had took it the wrong way. It happens all the time on these internet boards.

So in answering your question, no I don't think it is the same because of reasons given.

We were taught that "Doctrine is Divisive" and we see this within the whole body of Christ world wide. I was trying to think Lord why does it have to be this way? But I think its too complicated to ever solve.

The Word is a light unto our paths and a lamp unto our feet and its what is going to preserve us in these last days. When we hear God's word we got to pay attention to what it is saying, at least for me this is true.

Gary






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I will praise Him in this Storm, Amen. Thank You Jesus.

Gary


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Gary,

I hear what you are saying re; facial expressions, tone of voice, & clearing up differences, etc & I agree. However I was referring to the `heart motivation,` compassion, care, love, etc. Thus we were talking about different parts of the subject.

Have a good day, Marilyn.


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10630 is a reply to message #10625 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gillyann,

I think that Gary is right when he says that our conversations might be interpreted differently if we were all in the same room. Marilyn also has a point when she says that we should not be one way online and one way face to face.

What is missing here though, is the assumption, that we are all Christians.

Christians don't throw around curses at each other. You took Jman's comment, the one about Marilyn offering a slippery and crafty non-answer, to be something it was not.

In fact, I thought the same thing about Marilyn's comment.

But I didn't think that it was "crafty" in the same sense that you did.

I often marvel at a good reply, especially if it encapsulates the heart of the matter in a brief clever statement (something I "wish" to aspire toward!)

If he had said "slimy and deceptive", well that might have been a cause for raised eyebrows because that would imply that the person you were talking to was trying to perpetuate a deception, which, if true, would take away the presumption that you were speaking to a fellow believer in Christ.

On the other hand, and I'm looking for a way to give you the full benefit of the doubt here, your comment to "Watch your back" sounds like a threat.

Before anyone takes it that way, please clarify. You should remember that the last time you used those words, it resulted in two people taking it as a threat and it caused a nuclear chain reaction that almost destroyed the forum. I took your side on that occasion... please let me know if I was mistaken.

Blessings,
William


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Re: New Order of Beings [message #10631 is a reply to message #10630 ] Wed, 11 December 2013 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Brother, William, What in the world could I do to harm anybody in cyber space?

"Watch your back."

Watch what you say. Don't demean people. Don't be condescending. Don't be arrogant.

It got to the point where anything can be said and it is OK. Nobody is doing anything to stop it. So, I inform them to stop doing it because it is wrong. I would continue to let them know when something is not appropriate.


So, I try to keep someone from treating others in this fashion and now I am the bad guy.

For the sake OO, I will not describe keeping someone accountable using those words.

If some feel nothing was not appropriate, all I can say is, "You have got to be kidding me!!!"

If this is the case, I see it as double standards.

Someone was genuinely hurt and it is now being swept under the rug.

This has gone too far. I said so earlier. All of this is getting exaggerated and over the top. I stayed away today because of this.

Does that make sense to you?

Did that clear things up?

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 17:30]


Shalom,

GWB

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It won't happen again, but neither should the other.

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 17:19]


Shalom,

GWB

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William,

I appreciate your view of crafty, but Jman was not meaning `artful, `but `cunning,` as can be seen by his next comment -

Quote:

`William, if you were actually requesting comment, I am at
a point to sit back and watch Marylin work and watch others discern.`


The actual `cunning` though was performed by Jman himself when he introduced the statement -

Quote:

`Please state clearly how the order of Melchizedek concept relates to this new doctrine.`


He was the one to ACCUSE of a new doctrine & got others witch hunting for it. I repeatedly said there was no new doctrine but the bon-fire was lit & you danced around it.

Jman kept adding fuel to the fire -

Quote:

`Marylin, misquoting your new terminology into a Bible verse just ain`t right.`


William also ran the two words together but it doesn`t change their meaning. And it is stating the obvious that Jman has trouble spelling my name & `ain`t,` is not good English.
The point being that this is what he calls `potentially dangerous.`

Now these are the words Jman uses to describe me - Cantankerous, potentially dangerous, very slippery & crafty, & I am pretty much done with Marylin.....` So you can see he is not thinking of crafty as a compliment.

What needs to take place when we discuss is NOT ACCUSATIONS but an asking for more information. Then we are able to hear what the other is really saying.


Hope we can have better communication in the future. Marilyn.












[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 17:41]


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For the sake of OO, Jman, I am sorry.


Now, Jman, where is your apology for Marilyn?

If you think one is not due, I felt the same way.

I did it anyway.


Shalom,

GWB

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BTW, William,

I did not curse to anybody. Not one curse word was said.

What is that about? When did I curse?


Shalom,

GWB

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Marilyn,

I did not realize regarding the name thing. I apologize for misspelling your name.

But am likely to butcher the English language at any time.

You would not know it from the last weeks, but I am the "Rip Van Winkle" of OO.
I go to sleep and disappear sometimes until something/someone interests me.
And I am feeling a snooze coming on.

==============

William,

I did perceive some of GWB's previous wording as too much but not
the "Watch your back" part. I took that to mean she would watch closely and
react to what I say - no problem. If I snooze for a while it is not a reaction to QWB.
I do not know what happened years ago, but she has not affected my relationship with OO.

=============

QWB,

I do perceive you as a similar/fellow pilgrim. You can be my
conscience anytime - just stay fair and square.





Jman





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At the time of this post . . .

FA, the satellites, the spinoffs,and the FA diaspora have been having church
without apostles for 41 years and 345 days.
Initial start date 1/1/72


Recommended: No faith stands that strongly impact our (our children's) lives until we figure out
why the signs and wonders are missing. Something is wrong.







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As far as I am concerned, that sounds good to me.

Have a nice slumber. Smile


Shalom,

GWB

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Jman,

When you wake from your slumber & want to get your teeth into something Very Happy look up this site that Gary posted & see if you can find the error. This is a Melchizedek doctrine, & it is Dominionism, false teaching. It is not easy to spot the errors as they seem to believe the Bible but it is a good exercise because this false teaching is insidiously coming through all parts of Christendom & we need to know how to discern it.



http://francismyles.com/about/



Have a good day, Marilyn.

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 18:41]


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Hi Jman,
Before and if you decide to take a break I wanted you to know I have appreciated your questions and comments. I also appreciate the brothers on this site that have discernment and a deeper understanding of God's word. I do believe you brothers are a type of watchman on the wall who have been able to expound and explain scriptures and discern error and deceptions. And I am not just referring to anything current, but over the years. This is all glory to the Lord. Not trying to puff anyone up, although Proverbs does say Let another man praise you, but just want to thank the Lord for all of you.
And as far as the baggage, I think a lot of people are working through things. Just acknowledging this lets you know what areas in your life that Jesus will help you with.
I've experienced similar things, but most of those people who thought I was wrong are now some of my best friends. I hope someday you can let us know where you went to church as I have been able to meet and visit a lot of the different places and would wonder if we would know some of the same people.
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Sage,

Thank you very, very much for your kind encouragement w/r baggage.

As far as watchmen, others are truly watchmen.

I am more of a "theology wonk."
( If you recall they used to call pres. Clinton a govt. policy "wonk"
because he could grind out the details )


My baggage, of course, goes much deeper than mere past criticisms.
I am a humpty dumpty, and it will take our King to come and fix me.
Beyond that I never explain lest I draw others into my "slough of despond."

Wow, I do have a knack for writing a "have a happy day" post , do I not ?


Again, thank you.



Jman






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Yes, Jman, we are all a work in progress that is why we need each other to speak the truth in love. (with the right attitude.)

Now I am held accountable to what I say & my attitude here on this board now & in the future, & it should be so for all of us. Thus I need to say you have not apologised for -

1. Your Accusations that I was presenting a new doctrine.

2. Your bad attitude to me - `Cantankerous, potentially
dangerous, very slippery & crafty, & I am pretty much done with Marylin.`

How can we have good discussions unless we are held accountable to `speak the truth in love.`


Marilyn.

[Updated on: Wed, 11 December 2013 21:07]


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William Wrote: You should remember that the last time you used those words, it resulted in two people taking it as a threat and it caused a nuclear chain reaction that almost destroyed the forum. I took your side on that occasion... please let me know if I was mistaken.


William,

You may not have had knowledge of this or you may of forgotten. There was more then just two people who thought it was a threat. Its just that a lot of things were being written in emails and private messages.

There was maybe 7 or 8 who left the board and went to another board, a month or two later 3 or 4 returned here to this board and set up shop. Several on the other site were not big posters anyway.

Things were brewing long before the threat and many voiced concern in the private message section over certain emails everyone was getting and told not to say anything to each other. Which everyone compared notes anyway.

Secondly, I took it like Jman was just chiding Marilyn over the term cantankerous. It was done jokingly and not meant as something bad. Americans all the time use terms when were face to face and kidd each other is the way I took it and I told Marilyn this as well.

Marilyn if we hear something that is different from what we were taught then to "us" it is a new doctrine. There are several things you have shared that we have never heard before and this is why were thinking this stuff is new doctrines or teachings because we have never heard it so its new to us. This whole discussion on the 10 Arab nations is a new doctrine to us for example.

Gary



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Marilyn said:
"Now I am held accountable to what I say & my attitude here on this board now & in the future, & it should be so for all of us. Thus I need to say you have not apologised for -

1. Your Accusations that I was presenting a new doctrine.

2. Your bad attitude to me - `Cantankerous, potentially
dangerous, very slippery & crafty, & I am pretty much done with Marylin."



Marilyn I don’t see in scripture where we go to someone and tell them to apologize, but I do see in scripture where you forgive them if they have offended you. As James has so eloquently said:
“We need to die to self.” Certainly not always an easy thing to do, but something that is required of us
as Christians. And besides, a forced apology is not really worth anything anyways.

All Jman did was ask you:

`Marylin, in past, present, or future - is anyone else of the order of Melchizedek?`

To me this is a “Yes or No” answer, and if you would so desire you could expound on your answer. Since you choose not to answer with a yes or no Jman said:

You gave a very slippery, crafty non- answer, Marylin.
He did not call you slippery or crafty. If someone tells a lie you could say “you lied to me.”
This does not make them a habitual liar. As far as I read, same with Jman, he does not say you
are a slippery, crafty person, but your answer was such. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.

When anyone brings an apparent new teaching to this site we have some discerning, Christlike
brothers who will “prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good.” Back in the Dicipling section
you said: “plus I was taught by Apostles, Prophets, Teachers etc great revelation that was before it came across the Body. and I know there is still more to come that I have been taught.” Of course you
would be excited to share such revelations, but we have to prove all things, and hold fast to that which is good. And Rev. 2:2 tells us to try them who say they are apostles. Just because someone says they are an apostle, prophet, teacher, evangelist, or pastor does not mean we buy into everything they say. We, here in the USA, have a lot of people going around calling themselves apostles, and prophets. Some of our churches got involved with false prophets, which ultimately caused a lot of people to follow deception and error. Others just left the faith criticizing what they once believed.
IF what you say is true the Lord will show us, but it cannot be forced. IF what the Lord has shown others the same applies, the Lord will show you. We need to be teachable, but not gullible. Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good.


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Gary,

When you first came back to this board, I talked to you about what had taken place. You stated, "You did not do anything wrong."

Have you changed your mind? What exactly are you accusing me of?

Jman and I have hashed it and we are fine.

I answered all of William's inquiries and have apologized for any misinterpretation.

Any "behind the scenes PM's were sent, it was to inquire if relationships were OK.

You are adding a lot of gas to the fire, now Gary.

Again, what exactly are you saying here and what are you accusing me of to where you are not happy as this matter stands?


Shalom,

GWB

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