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| Re: The Faith Assembly Denomination [message #1942 is a reply to message #1894] |
Tue, 27 May 2008 19:32   |
capturedbygrace
Messages: 41
Registered: April 2008
Location: Indianapolis, IN |
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JRS said: I agree...with the exception of 1 thing. God giving his revelation to a minister. – I do not mean anything towards you, this is exactly the mentality that is promoted though out the Denom system. One clarification--By that I meant there is a wonder going on! Even a minister or two who have been born and bred in the system are really called of God and don't know it--these are the ones who are beginning to see what their calling is all about--not overpowering the flock, but empowering it! The pastor I'm with is having revelation from God as to why the body is not growing, and by that I mean maturing in God. He is being given revelation as to what is supposed to be happening to the body of Christ (and what do I think that is? all you said, JRS!). He said within the last six months, "I don't even know what a pastor is anymore." Wonderful!!
I agree it is sin to use the Word or "leadership" or any gift or gift ministry (prophetic) to stifle our hearing the Holy Spirit for ourselves. Let me say, I have been ministered to by prophetic words--but I don't have "itching ears"--they have been very specific words, but they have always helped confirm the course I heard from God Himself--they don't absolve me from my responsibilities.
You said, The whole Denom system is so rooted in the worldly mind-set that to shed light on it and fully understand it’s consequences is mind boggling. One of the primary results it has accomplished is the quenching of the Holy Spirit in individuals lives. Yes, and anyone with that mindset will use or receive any gift wrongly, and that will quench the Holy Spirit. I dare say I am still being delivered out of that mentality--by God's mercy I pray no gift or anything else I receive be used to serve any system--only Him and His purposes!
Broken vessel in training: Pressing on to experience the fullness of Acts 17:28: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being...
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| Re: The Faith Assembly Denomination [message #1956 is a reply to message #1932] |
Thu, 29 May 2008 17:08 |
 jisamazed
Messages: 170
Registered: January 2008
Location: Grand Rapids, MI |
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Hombre, you've slipped. For a while you seemed to be making a genuine attempt to dialogue intelligently. You've slipped back into ad hominem arguments, meaning you attack the person rather than addressing their ideas or arguments. You either are not able or not willing to understand my position and seem to attack positions that I don't hold. It's too bad, because I would really like to have a good discussion on scripture related to these issues without all the drama and venom. I know, I was a bit sarcastic in that last post. I'm sorry for the tone of it. I must have struck a nerve, because I now have two nicknames, Dathan and Snake. Dude, that's a bit over the top. I stand before the Lord on that one. My conscience is clear before Him.
Don't worry, I'm used to it. That happens quite a bit when mingling with former "faith camp" people. I have given it sometimes, so I should expect to receive it. "Dathan" and "Snake", however, is crossing the line into calling your brother a fool. It is much more effective to take a scripture and expound on it rather than prooftext.
BTW, I did listen to HEF's theology series as a teenager and it was excellent. I have affirmed the quality of his theology over and over. I just wish that he had stuck with teaching theology instead of trying to pastor the flock. He admitted at one point that his ultimate calling was not to pastor, and I wonder if his problems occurred because he got away from his calling.
I have learned over the years not to question other people's motivations if I don't know their heart. You would do well to learn the same thing. Assuming things about people brings about confusion and complicates the discussion unnecessarily.
Amazed smitten astonished stunned floored blown away astounded shocked flabbergasted surprised wonderfully devastated awed shattered overwhelmed incredulous speechless sense of wonder at the love of God.
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| Re: The Faith Assembly Denomination [message #1972 is a reply to message #1956] |
Sat, 31 May 2008 23:05 |
jisamazed
Messages: 170
Registered: January 2008
Location: Grand Rapids, MI |
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"Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." I Timothy 2:22-24
I have made the mistake previously of getting sucked into quarrels. I am determined not to make that mistake again.
I think this thread has run its course. If others want to add something, so be it, but I don't find this conversation very productive anymore. It's time to discuss some scriptures.
Amazed smitten astonished stunned floored blown away astounded shocked flabbergasted surprised wonderfully devastated awed shattered overwhelmed incredulous speechless sense of wonder at the love of God.
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| Re: The Faith Assembly Denomination [message #1998 is a reply to message #1996] |
Mon, 02 June 2008 21:42 |
james
Messages: 2142
Registered: April 2008
Location: Birmingham, AL |
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Moulder...it's SOO good to hear from you, thought you'd maybe taken a Sabbatical. Please do something with Hombre,we can't control him, maybe take a couple links outta his chain.  Sorry to hear about your church problems... and people wonder why the world is turned off to Christianity.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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