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Embedded Idols [message #13627] Fri, 11 December 2020 17:03 Go to next message
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I've been reading through the Old Testament and noticed how the Northern Kingdom of Israel was given over to Idolatry. Every King did wickedness in the eyes of the Lord. God was displeased with His people.

Even though they seen God move in their behalf it seemed like they would always return to the Idols of the nations surrounding them. Eventually this caused Israel to be carried off to Babylon.

Now today in Christianity we find the Church of Jesus Christ embedded with Idols. I'm speaking of Tammuz, Saturnalia, etc..
I recently told someone about these holidays and they had never heard of this before. But they just passed it off and did not seem interested. Maybe the guy seen it but did not want to hear it. Either way he went on to another subject.

It's interesting to see the responses that people give. I thought why did I think this holiday needed to be avoided. What made me convinced that it was always a pagan celebration?

I honestly don't know, I would tend to think God opened our eyes to understand the origin of Christmas. But it seems it doesn't make any impact when we tell someone.

I wonder sometimes how the Lord looks at all of this. Is it not worth making a big deal about? Not that I go around destroying trees in peoples homes or anything. But just having to deal with it every year telling people why I don't participate. You almost get this feeling like your desecrating something that should be good.

I get the feeling that with all the covid stuff going on this year, that people are going to go all out this christmas. They were putting up trees around the first of November, stores were stocking their shelves in October. The government is already freaking out telling people not to hug anyone. You should of seen the list of dos and don'ts in the local paper.

I'm just thinking out loud here nobody needs to reply. Maybe its my yearly rant about this pagan holiday in the month of December. At least I hope all you guys understand and this isn't looked upon on as oh no it's another yearly Christmas post.

In Him,
Gary

Re: Embedded Idols [message #13628 is a reply to message #13627] Sat, 12 December 2020 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you're having thoughts similar to the thoughts I've had for years and years. I usually unload on here something about pagamas, but since we're' preaching to the choir' what's the point except maybe therapy for writers. 😂

Speaking of idols, has not the conservative/Christian/right wing political party placed the president, Donald Trump, on a pedestal? They're (and I say they, but I do embrace the moral conservative values usually associated with the Republicans) flooding social media with doomsday predictions if Trump loses the White House. I don't know if the election was stolen, or if there was voter fraud or not, but I do believe in God's sovereign purpose and while I'd rather see prosperity and moral changes made in our laws and courts continue for the next four years, I rest in Him.
But I remember when Hobart Freeman died, how so many of FA followers clung to false hopes in his resurrection, about the falling away from the faith by some because things changed and didn't happen as he had said they would. Others woke up and realized their error in focusing on a man rather than God. This situation with our nation and elected officials remind me of that lesson, hope when the dust settles people will refocus on the real kingdom and the ONLY one we should have on a pedestal, Jesus.


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13632 is a reply to message #13628] Sun, 13 December 2020 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Sat, 12 December 2020 13:50
I think you're having thoughts similar to the thoughts I've had for years and years. I usually unload on here something about pagamas, but since we're' preaching to the choir' what's the point except maybe therapy for writers. 😂

Speaking of idols, has not the conservative/Christian/right wing political party placed the president, Donald Trump, on a pedestal? They're (and I say they, but I do embrace the moral conservative values usually associated with the Republicans) flooding social media with doomsday predictions if Trump loses the White House. I don't know if the election was stolen, or if there was voter fraud or not, but I do believe in God's sovereign purpose and while I'd rather see prosperity and moral changes made in our laws and courts continue for the next four years, I rest in Him.
But I remember when Hobart Freeman died, how so many of FA followers clung to false hopes in his resurrection, about the falling away from the faith by some because things changed and didn't happen as he had said they would. Others woke up and realized their error in focusing on a man rather than God. This situation with our nation and elected officials remind me of that lesson, hope when the dust settles people will refocus on the real kingdom and the ONLY one we should have on a pedestal, Jesus.


I say amen to all three points.

1. There is a little bit of therapy involved!!

2. Don't know who to believe in the news any more. NewMax is the latest and the greatest. I heard the Chinese bought out disney who now own Fox News. Don't know if that is true but I do know the Chinese were buying a lot of property in California. Now there's a plan to defeat the country just buy it at market prices and move a billion people over to their new homes. Trump didn't help matters tweeting everybody and calling them names. I think if Trump got in we would see more rioting and looting. There's some real violent anti-gun people out there.

3. I think our meetings destroyed itself from the inside out. It's just by God's grace that anyone is still standing. I will always appreciate the theology background that was taught before it ended. The Lord is helping me and I know that He will never leave or forsake us. God is much greater then what we can even imagine. We know that God's Will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven. The Anti-Christ will try to run the planet someday. It may be sooner then we think even so I pray that God will count us worthy to escape all things that will happen on the earth.

In Him,
Gary

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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13634 is a reply to message #13632] Mon, 14 December 2020 01:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good thoughts, Gary and James!

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William


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13635 is a reply to message #13634] Mon, 14 December 2020 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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William,
Do you know what "Dominion Theology" consists of? I tried to google the information and it appeared to be a hodge-podge of opinions.

Also this doctrine on Sinless perfection. The minister at our church is saying that we our sinless. At first I thought he was referring to the fact that the Blood of Jesus cleanses us of all sin and at that point God sees us as sinless through the blood.

But Sinless from the time of our new birth is what he is telling us. Something doesn't sound right. If anybody has dealt with these doctrines appreciate any input.

In Him,
Gary


Re: Embedded Idols [message #13636 is a reply to message #13635] Mon, 14 December 2020 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Obviously I'm not William, but somewhere on OO I touched on Dominion Theology, I recall that it's an error based on what I could find out online about it and those propagating it. Maybe William can find it, I hardly ever can find stuff on here that I've previously written.

I know sometimes you almost have to read between the lines when grasping what some teachers are saying. Maybe he meant that Jesus paid for our sins at Calvary, past, present, and future...But I know Christians sin after they're saved and confession and repentance are needed, but that's from our side... the penalty of death and shedding of innocent Blood has already been paid, once and forever Gods wrath against our sins has been appeased. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus precious Jesus paid my debt in full.
Maybe you could invite your pastor over for coffee and discuss the questions you have. 🙏


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13637 is a reply to message #13635] Mon, 14 December 2020 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary wrote on Mon, 14 December 2020 12:37

William,
Do you know what "Dominion Theology" consists of? I tried to google the information and it appeared to be a hodge-podge of opinions.

Also this doctrine on Sinless perfection. The minister at our church is saying that we our sinless. At first I thought he was referring to the fact that the Blood of Jesus cleanses us of all sin and at that point God sees us as sinless through the blood.

But Sinless from the time of our new birth is what he is telling us. Something doesn't sound right. If anybody has dealt with these doctrines appreciate any input.

In Him,
Gary




Quick answer... I found this link last night; I don't know much about the guy so I'm not sure about all that he says but he does give a pretty good summary in the initial video on his page.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/newapostolic.html

Blessings,
William


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13638 is a reply to message #13636] Mon, 14 December 2020 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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james wrote on Mon, 14 December 2020 13:04
Obviously I'm not William, but somewhere on OO I touched on Dominion Theology, I recall that it's an error based on what I could find out online about it and those propagating it. Maybe William can find it, I hardly ever can find stuff on here that I've previously written.

I know sometimes you almost have to read between the lines when grasping what some teachers are saying. Maybe he meant that Jesus paid for our sins at Calvary, past, present, and future...But I know Christians sin after they're saved and confession and repentance are needed, but that's from our side... the penalty of death and shedding of innocent Blood has already been paid, once and forever Gods wrath against our sins has been appeased. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus precious Jesus paid my debt in full.
Maybe you could invite your pastor over for coffee and discuss the questions you have. 🙏


I've got to get that search function working!

Anyway, you can usually find something by clicking on your name and at the top it will have the number of messages that you've posted. By clicking on that you'll see all of your messages listed in chronological order (last thread to the very first). This might help.

I do this a lot when I'm going through some of the older threads that I've participated in... there's a lot of great topics that have been posted over the years!

Blessings,
William


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13639 is a reply to message #13637] Mon, 14 December 2020 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you prefer to read an article as opposed to watching the video, here is a link to what he is saying in the video:

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/2kingdoms.html


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13640 is a reply to message #13639] Tue, 15 December 2020 00:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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william wrote on Mon, 14 December 2020 19:55
If you prefer to read an article as opposed to watching the video, here is a link to what he is saying in the video:

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/2kingdoms.html



William

Thanks for the information, I read the article and listened to the guys message. I have no doubts now that this is what the guy is promoting. He is tied in with a minister in Chicago, Bill Winston.

I thought what the guy said was good.

James the guy calls me almost every other day to talk about the Bible, coffee sounds good but it will be the Lord to change someone's doctrine.

What's interesting I told him about FA and he never heard of us. In fact most people I tell about our meeting never heard of us. LOL

In Him,
Gary



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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13641 is a reply to message #13640] Wed, 16 December 2020 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well Gary, it's only been 35 plus years ago. lol

But with you living in Indiana you'd though someone would remember. Of course all X-FA people remembers, for good or bad.

On a side note, someone on FB was mentioning Sunday about the song, "Mary Did You Know", a very popular song in Christian circles. Terrible theology in the lyrics, of course Mary knew...Gabriel told her, she lived it. Luke 1:30-35


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13642 is a reply to message #13635] Sat, 19 December 2020 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary wrote on Mon, 14 December 2020 12:37


Also this doctrine on Sinless perfection. The minister at our church is saying that we our sinless. At first I thought he was referring to the fact that the Blood of Jesus cleanses us of all sin and at that point God sees us as sinless through the blood.

But Sinless from the time of our new birth is what he is telling us. Something doesn't sound right. If anybody has dealt with these doctrines appreciate any input.

In Him,
Gary


Interesting you should say that Gary. Something doesn't sound right is right. I originally thought he must have been just not being clear on his theology. But as you said that is what he meant. I've never heard of that.

Interesting I'm listening to Bro Freeman's deeper deliverance teachings again. On tape 263-1 Guarding against deceptions and delusions, he talks about sinless perfection being a delusion taught by lots of people and some denominations. He says it in context to taking up the cross. Why do we need to take up the cross if your sins are past and temptation too. Cross is useless to these folk.

Anyway, I thought I would throw that in as I'd never heard of it.


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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13643 is a reply to message #13642] Sun, 20 December 2020 02:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mark L wrote on Sat, 19 December 2020 03:24
Mark wrote:

Interesting you should say that Gary. Something doesn't sound right is right. I originally thought he must have been just not being clear on his theology. But as you said that is what he meant. I've never heard of that.

Interesting I'm listening to Bro Freeman's deeper deliverance teachings again. On tape 263-1 Guarding against deceptions and delusions, he talks about sinless perfection being a delusion taught by lots of people and some denominations. He says it in context to taking up the cross. Why do we need to take up the cross if your sins are past and temptation too. Cross is useless to these folk.

Anyway, I thought I would throw that in as I'd never heard of it.



I was trying to give the guy the benefit of doubt, that maybe he did not understand. He put a thing on facebook that said;

Justice is coming to America and it would be on the order of Ananias and Sapphira, the judgement of God is coming.

He called me up a few days later and I said I saw his facebook quote and did not understand what he was saying. He was not able to give me an answer about this judgement.

I told him I thought the Lord was trying to show us that He was not going to tolerate sin in the New Testament church. That Ananias and Sapphira did not have automatic cleansing from sin.

He said that Ananias and Sapphira were not saved. I realized at that point this man does not know his Bible very well to make a statement like this.

Then I found where someone said on the internet that those who believe in sinless perfection deny that Ananias and Sapphira were Christians.

The church is in a sad state of affairs.

In Him,
Gary




Re: Embedded Idols [message #13644 is a reply to message #13643] Tue, 22 December 2020 17:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary, I've been mulling over this for several days, there are many who believe they couldn't have been saved because our sins were dealt with by Jesus at The Cross; past, present, and future and if that is true then God's wrath must not have been appeased at Calvary by the blood of Jesus and we can be judged twice (like double jeopardy).

We know this can't be true or our position in Christ would be subject to change, and God's Word tells us no one can pluck us from His hand. There is a lot unsaid in scripture about them, but we do see example of a person being given over to Satan (I Corinthians 5:5) for the destruction of their flesh, yet their soul was saved. Hymenaeus and Alexander were also handed over to Satan for discipline.



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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13649 is a reply to message #13644] Wed, 23 December 2020 12:47 Go to previous message
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james wrote on Tue, 22 December 2020 17:30
Gary, I've been mulling over this for several days, there are many who believe they couldn't have been saved because our sins were dealt with by Jesus at The Cross; past, present, and future and if that is true then God's wrath must not have been appeased at Calvary by the blood of Jesus and we can be judged twice (like double jeopardy).

We know this can't be true or our position in Christ would be subject to change, and God's Word tells us no one can pluck us from His hand. There is a lot unsaid in scripture about them, but we do see example of a person being given over to Satan (I Corinthians 5:5) for the destruction of their flesh, yet their soul was saved. Hymenaeus and Alexander were also handed over to Satan for discipline.




James,

I understand what your saying. Paul said shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid!

I heard a guy say in the pulpit that if he wanted to commit gluttony God would forgive him. Its a strange way of thinking.

In Him,
Gary



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