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Since we are in the last days, I suppose any news could be considered 'end times' news; but this news could also go in the thread about 'deception using creation teachings'. It's about evolution taking another step to become the accepted view in America, and guess who's behind it? Yeah well we know it's satan, but he's using Uncle Sam.

The U.S. Government is putting in the Smithsonian Institute, a permanent exhibit on 'the discovery and understanding of human origins'. There is a committee put together to help merge science and religion so it won't be offensive to the 'religious'. The co-chair person of the committee, who is also a official of the Presbyterian's Science and Faith Association, says about the evolution exhibit,..." they're not here to make a religious point." OBVIOUSLY NOT!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-10-16-smithsonian -evolution_N.htm]

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Yeah, let's hear the tithing one; and while you're at it throw in some 'seed' sowing advice, about 100% return, financial anointing, restoration of every dime I've ever given to charlatans, and what the lastest prophetic 'word' number is for 2010.

Guess I shouldn't 'rattle' cages if I'm skeerd of the results.

You need to chill out...Go click on that foreign opera singer ya'll think sounds so 'beautiful'...<really grinning>

I wuz just trying to get ya to wear your Mark Ingram jersey to church tomorrow...

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First of all Mark, I'm not trying to be argumentative or coming against your opinion, I just have questions about these men.

OK Here's what I think James.

The issue of RC's and evangelicals together? I'm not sure of my opinion on that. I think they were dealing with born again RC's trying to find common ground.

Both the men I mentioned and others as well stood as bastions (sp?) of orthodoxy back in the mid 20th century and they were very effective. This was mostly prior to the charismatic movement which started in the mid 60's.

I agree with your concerns about the Baptism HS and leadership. I think in this end time every true born again Xian (including John Macarthur) is going to get it. Whether they like it or not. There will be no other way for a Xian to stand. Lots to say on that.

Probably the easiest way to explain where I stand is to share what happened to me.

Have you ever noticed that charismatic authors only write books on charismatic issues. Freeman for e.g. All his books were on charismatic issues except 2. And they are both pre BHS.

On my bookshelf close to me
Charnock on the attributes
Bright on the Kingdom
Warfield /Walvrood/London Christology
Hodge/Robertson/Young/Archer/Eric Sauer/Lightfoot/Watson/
All classics and as far as I am aware all noncharismatic. The charismatic movement has gone on for 40+ yrs and we simply don't write anything. Except on charismatic issues and end times.

I also realize I'm generalizing here. One would think with the BHS we would be getting books with deep understanding. Yet we simply don't write anything. Look at all the prophets running around the charismatic church. Now I agree with your opinion on that but I also think there are some true ones. So why (rhetorical question here) does it seem to be the only thing they can do is read everyone’s mail. One would think we would be getting deep or deeper revelation on whats coming or the doctrine of Christ.

I am charismatic BHS and faith message to the core. I thank God for the ministry of Hobart Freeman in my life. When I first got into this (way back) I embraced it wholeheartedly. To some extent unthinkingly. The unintended result at least in my life was it built walls around me. After Freeman’s death and the breaking up of our faith church I was left more or less on my own. God began to deal with me on his plans for me and I began to study.

Some of Freemans material (theology/ Jeremiah) Proverbs on Sunday mornings (because did I need wisdom) Then books started coming my way. I started getting Christianity today magazine (the lord didn't want me to get charisma) I found the magazine somewhat dry but I started finding some of the authurs wrote articles that spoke to my heart. I found that the books and articles were written by men (mostly) some passed on some still with us that were lively interesting knowedgable that spoke to my heart knowledge and understanding about God and spiritual things. As far as I am aware mostly noncharismatic men. As I read and studied the walls the faith message had built around me began to come down. They came down mostly because of the writings of noncharismatic men.

I think we are now in the time when the bridegroom has delayed his coming. There isn't a whole lot going on. We in the faith message are waiting on God. Almost like the calm before the storm. I think there is a storm coming. Both in the world and spiritually. I don't think we have gotten to the beginning of sorrows yet. As I said earlier I believe every Xian in the world is going to get the BHS and speak in tongues. There will simply be no other way to survive.

So here I think is where I answer your question James. I have affection for many of these authors because of their effect on my life. I think they write intelligently & spiritually on the things they know about. One can only wonder how far they could have gone if they had received the BHS. And that is a shame. But and to my mind it is a big but I really don't think it matters too much. Not because the BHS doesn't matter because it does. I think it is essential. But because we are in a time of calm and preparation and not much happening and it doesn't matter a whole lot what anyone does. The storm is coming and these matters will be straightened out.

Lastly I'd like to say that 11 Tim 3/5 is in the bible too. And right in the context of perilous times and the last days.

"Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof. From such turn away"

To be honest I simply don't know how to deal with that. I guess in context to everything I said above I just think as we get further into the end times things will become much more black and white.

Well If I made any sense here and you're not just throwing your hands up in the air over such a one as I then feel free to comment

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