| In Church-Out of Church-Future Church [message #7457] |
Wed, 03 November 2010 21:23  |
 JWBTI
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IN CHURCH-OUT OF CHURCH-FUTURE CHURCH
Blog from Andrew Strom:
I have met and fellowshipped with many wonderful Christian people over the years – from all kinds of backgrounds. But I just need to comment on this “In-church/ Out-of-church” thing – because it keeps cropping up.
Let me be clear about this. I meet wonderful “In-church” people all
the time that I absolutely love – and I meet lovely “Out-of-church”
people too that I absolutely love. One of the biggest problems is
that often these two groups do not understand each other at all.
And neither do they necessarily see the need for a “future church”
that is beyond anything that any of us are seeing – a church that
is literally just like the Book of Acts. That is supposed to be our
goal – but too often we are satisfied basically where we are.
CHALLENGES FOR the “IN-CHURCH”
Many of the Christians who are totally “in” the church system truly
see the need for “change”. They are not wanting to sit still. They
see there has been a great “decline” in Christianity away from the
old paths – and they are praying that God will move to restore and
purify His Bride. I have met many godly, warm-hearted people like
this who care passionately about God’s kingdom and His true
gospel. I usually get on very well with such ones because we
share a common desire to see things “righted” – especially the
gospel message that has become so diluted and lost.
I guess the biggest challenge that I see in these settings is that
I believe God is about to move “outside the box” in such a drastic
way that if we allow ourselves to be too attached to the current
“system” or “way of church” – then we can easily get left behind.
To get us back to true “Book of Acts” Christianity will take such
a leap – and such change – that I wonder if we truly have it in us
to go with Him where He wants to go. How “loosely” do we hold
all these things – our buildings, our “meeting formats”, our labels,
titles and ways of doing things? When these things are shaken
or challenged, it is sometimes surprising to discover what a hold
they have on us – even if we think they don’t. This is the biggest
challenge that the “system”-type people face, I believe.
But our love of the true gospel and true “Bible” Christianity will
take us a long way.
CHALLENGES FOR the “OUT-Of-CHURCH”
I have moved amongst many ‘House-church’ and “Out-of-church”
type Christians (which are not the same thing) over the years. In
fact I have been part of these circles myself at times. One of the
biggest problems I have seen is that some of us really thought
we had the major “answer” to the church’s problems. Those of us
in the ‘House church’ movement would think, “If only the church
would get out of buildings and into houses and become more
‘relational’ – most of our problems would be solved!” We truly
thought that simply by “changing boxes” we could get back the
Book of Acts church! What we ended up with, of course, was
simply the same people in a different “shell” – slightly more
‘relational’ – but hardly anything like the power and purity of the
early Christians. We had changed the outward “form” but the
POWER of Jesus Christ was still mostly lacking.
I can remember having arguments over “plurality of eldership”, the
precise “correct” way of taking the Lord’s Supper, and all kinds of
things. None of it seemed to make the slightest bit of difference.
That is because the “outward” things and the ‘form’ of things
are all “secondary”. This is not where the power is. But it took
such a long time to learn this lesson.
The “Out-of-church” people are even more radical. They often
fellowship with almost no-one – and many of them will tell you that
the organized church is the “whore of babylon”, etc. A lot of them
are lovely people with a real heart for people and for TRUTH. But
some can be very judgmental and harsh. They will often “write off”
church people as being totally bound by “religion”. But I found
many of us in that circle had our own “anti-religion” religion going
on! We despised having “leaders” or “organized” things of any
kind. We said we believed in the “5 fold” ministries but we couldn’t
stand to have any actual “leaders” – even godly ones. And we
were secretly filled with PRIDE – because we could see everything
that was wrong with the “system”. Man – did I have a “humbling”
coming when I got into this mindset! I was so “religiously” anti-
religious. I was so filled with arrogance and looked down my nose
at so many “system” people! I “judged” them just because they
went to a “building” on Sunday! God forgive me.
Of course, none of this is the answer either. I had to repent. I had
to RENOUNCE very deeply this harsh “anti-religion” religion that
made me so proud and arrogant towards people. I found that many
of them loved Jesus just as much as I did. And many of them
prayed more and were kinder, more loving and more godly than
I’d ever been. I had been kidding myself. When it boiled right down,
we “out-of-church” types were no closer to the Book of Acts than
many of the “system” people that we judged so harshly. We just
knew more “stuff” (supposedly). But clearly it wasn’t the stuff that mattered.
It was only when I deeply repented and RENOUNCED this whole
prideful mindset that God gradually began to show me what was
really important. And it was not the “outward” stuff – though of
course there is some importance to structure, etc.
Each of these things (below) I believe will be a crucial part of the
FUTURE CHURCH that God wants to bring about. You could
literally write a book about each one – they are so important.
It was these very things that meant the early church SHONE
FORTH the GLORY OF JESUS every day. Here they are-
We must have-
(1) An APOSTOLIC gospel being preached with Apostolic-type
anointing and authority. (Whenever this has happened down
through history there has been real Revival). -SO CRUCIAL.
(2) The powerful moving of the HOLY SPIRIT – filling people, healing
people, convicting people, transforming people.
(3) REAL LOVE and an emphasis on ministering to the POOR.
(-Just like the early church).
(4) REAL DISCIPLES who actually “forsake all” to follow Jesus.
(5) REAL PRAYER – in the Holy Spirit. -And lots of it!!
(6) THE WHOLE BODY MINISTERING – Starting with the “5-fold”
ministries – whose goal is to release the whole body into ministry.
(7) MIRACLES and HEALINGS. -These are a must!
Of course, we could go on and on. But let me just conclude by
saying this:-
It doesn’t matter if we are “In-church”, Out-of-church, Over-churched
or under-churched. If we don’t have the above things (which the
early church had in abundance) then we really don’t have ANYTHING.
It doesn’t matter what we “know” or whether we meet in houses,
barns, on the streets or in sun-porches. If we don’t have these
crucial things that the early church majored on, then we really
have NOTHING that matters.
So I don’t really care if you are “out” churched, “over” churched,
“thru” churched or “half” churched. We need to pursue and
pursue until we GET REAL CHRISTIANITY BACK!! And none of
us have got it – so we had all better repent of our pride and start
seeking that which is lost! A glorious Bride beckons. What price
are we willing to pay to see this glory restored?
(Ouch,I found my name in the out of church part of the blog !
I repent !)
Ron
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| Re: In Church-Out of Church-Future Church [message #7466 is a reply to message #7458] |
Sun, 07 November 2010 13:03  |
grandom
Messages: 404
Registered: October 2007 |
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_I`m off to the house of the Lord to minister to Him in praise and worship, and hopefully be a blessing to my brothers and sisters in the body.
Psalm 100
1Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.
2Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
3Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
4Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
5For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations
Praise the Lord
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