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This and That [message #845] Thu, 01 November 2007 20:11 Go to next message
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I had a question that didn't fit into any category, so I thought I would create a generic topic that people could use for general thoughts/questions.

I was listening this morning on the way to work one of the sermons in the Romans series. HEF referenced a book entitled "With Signs Following." I did a search on the internet today and wasn't able to find it. Has anyone heard of this book?

Also, he referenced William Branham a number of times as a prophet. From what I have read, he received all his revelations from an "angel" and always referenced this "angel" as the source of his power, not Jesus. Has anyone else ever studied about Branham?

Have a great day!

Duncan
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Re: This and That [message #846 is a reply to message #845] Fri, 02 November 2007 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stanley H. Frodsham, With Signs Following, (Springfield, Mo.: Gospel Publishing House, 1941), 253–262. 2. Ibid., 19–29. ...
http://www.ag.org/enrichmentjournal/199904/016_genesis.cfm


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Re: This and That [message #847 is a reply to message #845] Fri, 02 November 2007 00:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ref William Branham,

I'am not sure ref the books about him, but I've heard many of
his last sermons on tapes & he was Always careful to give Jesus
the Glory in whatever took place in the meetings.

Ron
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Re: This and That [message #848 is a reply to message #845] Fri, 02 November 2007 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Branham served Christ as far as I can tell. I read I think 3 books about his life and he always gave Jesus the praise. He did say an angel was sent to be with him. When the angel was present great things happened.

It is said his prophesying was what was controversial. To his credit he taught Oneness doctrine and the doctrine of annihilation of the wicked.
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Re: This and That [message #849 is a reply to message #848] Sat, 03 November 2007 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'am ok with the angel, seems that many in the scriptures had encounters with Angels.

Most of the prophesy in the Old Testament was controversial also: an what about The Book of Revelation ?

Jesus said: I Am the Father are One. Jesus also prayed to the Father to send The Holy Spirit. No matter what doctrine
we tag it with; Jesus is the Only way to The Divine Power.

On All the tapes I heard WM Branham say: (Jesus Christ The Same Yesterday Today & Forever) Amen

Doctrine of annihilation of the wicked? Does this mean, that the Believers in Christ will spend eternity with Him:
an all others eternity in Hell ?

Ron
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Re: This and That [message #850 is a reply to message #849] Sat, 03 November 2007 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The doctrine of annihilation is that the wicked will die in the Lake of Fire (Gehenna).

28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28
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Re: This and That [message #851 is a reply to message #850] Sat, 03 November 2007 15:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seems to take away from eternal punishment for the wicked..

Tho...I didn't get any thing like that from his preaching on the
taped messages I heard.

Ron
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Re: This and That [message #852 is a reply to message #851] Sat, 03 November 2007 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://books.google.com/books?id=0mQUxz82-08C&pg=RA1-PA1 19&lpg=RA1-PA119&dq=william+branham+annihilation& ;source=web&ots=rlAQEFbzg2&sig=0colLjSC69E-8A6sE33uY NOhS9o#PRA1-PA110,M1

Scroll down to page 118 it describes his acceptance of the doctrine of annihilation.
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Re: This and That [message #857 is a reply to message #852] Mon, 05 November 2007 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well I see what your saying,

I guess God would be at fault for using imperfect vessels,Oh My !

I know, I don't have it all togeather an our small body of believers here in Ohio, we are not at the top of the elite list of overcomers......But yesterday, God manifested almost All the
Gifts of the Holy Spirit to us in one service......It was so wonderful.....Some visitors said they had not seen the Holy Spirit move like that in some 30 years......Praise Jesus.

Well, put us on the list, as not being perfected yet but willing to be used as God vessels just as Wm Branham did.

Blessing in Jesus Name

Ron
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Re: This and That [message #858 is a reply to message #857] Tue, 06 November 2007 05:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JWBTI wrote on Mon, 05 November 2007 17:56

Well I see what your saying,

I guess God would be at fault for using imperfect vessels,Oh My !

I know, I don't have it all togeather an our small body of believers here in Ohio, we are not at the top of the elite list of overcomers......But yesterday, God manifested almost All the
Gifts of the Holy Spirit to us in one service......It was so wonderful.....Some visitors said they had not seen the Holy Spirit move like that in some 30 years......Praise Jesus.

Well, put us on the list, as not being perfected yet but willing to be used as God vessels just as Wm Branham did.

Blessing in Jesus Name




But in my opinion after studying the doctrine of annihilation back in 1992 I fully agree with it. For 18 years I taught the traditional view of the wicked constantly burned in Hell for millions and billions and trillions of years after living lives of at best 100 years.

It was not out of sympathy for the lost I changed my view but rather in doing an unbiased study of it quickly saw it had MORE BIBLICAL SUPPORT than the other view.

True Branhams doctrine was not perfect but he did get this one right.
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Re: This and That [message #862 is a reply to message #845] Wed, 07 November 2007 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What are you? A Jehovah's Witness? That sounds like the same junk they teach.

What do you do to explain away things such as "Where the fire is not quenched and the worm dies not" ??

Why is it that "Charasmatics" always seem to fall for the most off-the-wall teachings, such as JDS, annihilation, Oneness, etc. Since becoming an adult (having been raised at FA), it seems to me that many are not content with the Holy Word of God. They are searching for some "extra-biblical" revelation and not content to take the Word of God for what it plainly states.

As for Branham, the following is an interview that was given by someone that traveled and ministered with Branham. It is long, but it makes me question the source of Branham's ministry. The Bible states that the devil will deceive people by appearing as an angel of light.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/branham.htm

[Updated on: Wed, 07 November 2007 18:19]

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Re: This and That [message #863 is a reply to message #862] Wed, 07 November 2007 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duncan wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 12:19

What are you? A Jehovah's Witness? That sounds like the same junk they teach.

What do you do to explain away things such as "Where the fire is not quenched and the worm dies not" ??

Why is it that "Charasmatics" always seem to fall for the most off-the-wall teachings, such as JDS, annihilation, Oneness, etc. Since becoming an adult (having been raised at FA), it seems to me that many are not content with the Holy Word of God. They are searching for some "extra-biblical" revelation and not content to take the Word of God for what it plainly states.

As for Branham, the following is an interview that was given by someone that traveled and ministered with Branham. It is long, but it makes me question the source of Branham's ministry. The Bible states that the devil will deceive people by appearing as an angel of light.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/branham.htm


Do you know any JW that believe Jesus Christ is God? I am not a JW but have to say on the issue of "conditional mortality" they have more truth than the Protestants. Truth is truth no matter who embraces it.

You ask what do I do about fire not being quenched and worms not dying?

I start with the BEGINNING of the doctrine in the OT and work forward. Laying the proper foundation. Once that is in place the false teaching of burning souls for TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of years begins to fall.

The first time I studied annihilation I was amazed how wrong I had been for many years. When I get time I will post a short to the point 5 part study I did on it.

I dont hold Branham as the "last prophet" any more than I do HEF. But he taught more truth than Protestants for sure. Speaking of "junk doctrine" much of it is found within ITS ranks.

As far as extra Biblical doctrine goes I am the one who filled the thread on ONENESS WITH SCRIPTURE. I believe you guys offered up no more than 5 or 6 scriptures in your attempt to prove the 3 persons each one co equal co eternal God theory.

We shall see if annihilation is EXTRA (outside of)BIBLICAL or just plain Biblical doctrine.
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Re: This and That [message #866 is a reply to message #863] Tue, 13 November 2007 01:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duncan wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 12:19
What are you? A Jehovah's Witness? That sounds like the same junk they teach.

What do you do to explain away things such as "Where the fire is not quenched and the worm dies not" ??

Why is it that "Charasmatics" always seem to fall for the most off-the-wall teachings, such as JDS, annihilation, Oneness, etc. Since becoming an adult (having been raised at FA), it seems to me that many are not content with the Holy Word of God. They are searching for some "extra-biblical" revelation and not content to take the Word of God for what it plainly states.

As for Branham, the following is an interview that was given by someone that traveled and ministered with Branham. It is long, but it makes me question the source of Branham's ministry. The Bible states that the devil will deceive people by appearing as an angel of light.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/branham.htm

About the Jehovah's Witness thing: Not me !

Your'e right about most Charasmatics.

As for the interview with Branham, sounds alot like the Fort Wayne & Warsaw newspapers ref the articals they did on FA an The Glory Barn. Tho, Alfred Pohl turned away an denied the Holy Spirit & left the Faith.

I spend time in the home of Larry Hammond, past president of Full Gospel Business Men International .Larry shared his personal
up front observations of what he saw in the Branham meetings......OH MY ! Quite different than what Pohl wrote.
Larry Hammond & Bro Freeman spoke highly of Wm Branham........I didn't say they thought he was perfect. Just a vessel of clay.

Ron
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Re: This and That [message #871 is a reply to message #866] Wed, 14 November 2007 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Michael, after many years I reached a similar conclusion about annihilationism. Whoops, guess I'm not a Freemanite anymore. lol

We will have to start a thread on it if you like, but I feel the doctrine of eternal damnation is contrived from a few misapplied scriptures. When you are dead, you are dead until God wakes you up for the New Life or the Second Death.

Bro. Branham was right on in soooo many ways, but Bro. Freeman just couldn't get free enough of that good ole Baptist Demon.

But of course I have total respect for the only True Pastor I ever had.
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Re: This and That [message #874 is a reply to message #871] Wed, 14 November 2007 05:27 Go to previous message
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Derick Norskog wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 21:15

Michael, after many years I reached a similar conclusion about annihilationism. Whoops, guess I'm not a Freemanite anymore. lol

We will have to start a thread on it if you like, but I feel the doctrine of eternal damnation is contrived from a few misapplied scriptures. When you are dead, you are dead until God wakes you up for the New Life or the Second Death.

Bro. Branham was right on in soooo many ways, but Bro. Freeman just couldn't get free enough of that good ole Baptist Demon.

But of course I have total respect for the only True Pastor I ever had.


Good to hear Friend. I know the doctrine of conditional immortality is slowly gaining ground. Once you see what is commonly known as "soul sleep" you have the foundation for annihilation.

I thought highly of Bro. Freeman also. But like you I felt he could not get free of Protestant teaching.

Soon I will start a thread on the Eternal Judgment. Look forward to hearing what you have to say on it.
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