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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 14 July 2015 03:10 |
Hi Gary,
Yes I agree people do like to twist & distort God`s word to their ideas & desires. That`s why it is good to share & discuss with you fellas here as you are serious about respecting God`s word. We may not always agree, but we are trying to understand each other & God`s word.
Now about that scripture -
`So Jesus answered & said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith & do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, "Be removed & be cast into the sea," then it will be done.` (Matt. 21: 21)
Trevor & I have been discussing it. So here is what we think - Obviously God is not telling us to rearrange His earth - put a mountain in the sea or over there etc.
Let`s look at the word `mountain` & then the context of what Jesus is talking about.
mountain - Gk word `oros` - meaning to rise or rear, akin to `airo` -meaning to lift, ....make to doubt, take away.
So we see that Jesus is talking to the disciples to have faith in what God has promised their nation & not to doubt. He then gives a pictorial illustration of `taking doubt away.`
Marilyn.
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Hi Marilyn,
Tell Trevor I love that quote, that is: "God isn't telling us to rearrange the earth".
Like you said, look at the whole context. What started the whole conversation that Jesus had with His disciples. It was the fig tree being totally withered from the roots up. Obviously they saw leaves totally dried up and fallen to the ground because they could not see the actual roots. Whatever happened the disciples were totally astounded at what took place.
Then Jesus goes on and talks about faith in God.
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17 Then He left them and went out of the city to Bethany, and He lodged there.
18 Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, He was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, “Let no fruit grow on you ever again.” Immediately the fig tree withered away.
The Lesson of the Withered Fig Tree
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, “How did the fig tree wither away so soon?”
21 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done. 22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
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We see further information in Mark's gospel:
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12 Now the next day, when they had come out from Bethany, He was hungry. 13 And seeing from afar a fig tree having leaves, He went to see if perhaps He would find something on it. When He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 14 In response Jesus said to it, “Let no one eat fruit from you ever again.”
And His disciples heard it.
15 So they came to Jerusalem. Then Jesus went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 16 And He would not allow anyone to carry wares through the temple. 17 Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”
18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it and sought how they might destroy Him; for they feared Him, because all the people were astonished at His teaching. 19 When evening had come, He went out of the city.
20 Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away.”
22 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
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Jesus curses the fig tree then the very next day as they are walking by it Peter remembering what took place is astounded and says, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away."
Its amazing what they saw took place in the three years they walked with Jesus. Here is one good example. They saw with their own eyes a tree totally withered away at just a spoken word from Jesus.
Jesus tells them to "Have faith in God". The word for mountain is "Oros" not like a small hill which the greek word is "bonnes", which I'm no greek scholar when it comes to different words.
The point is that Jesus is talking about a fig tree that has withered and mentions a mountain, but if you read here He goes on to explain, that if you believe that those things will be done,
that: he believes that the things he "says" will be done.
I think that the emphasis is on "believing" and "saying" concerning our praying. But Jesus is talking about a fig tree and a mountain using emphasis on believing for the impossible, with God all things are possible.
I believe if a Christians heart is towards the Lord and doing His Will that the very fact He is serving the Living God, that the Lord will move in his behalf when needed or even when we don't know it. Your right though we probably won't be throwing mountains around the earth.
Having faith towards God is a witness to the world that He is everything He says He is, were not powerless or helpless on this earth but we have confidence in Him. After all we are serving the Great God of the universe.
While everyone on this earth is worrying and fretting about life we can boldly claim that God is more then sufficient in time of need. Why? Because we know and believe that He is.
Jesus is our all in all.
While everyone was mocking Jesus, (Pharisees, scribes, etc.), the power of God was still manifesting to help others. A man with a withered arm stands up, everyone sees the withered arm and then they see it made totally whole. What was the reaction, they became indignant and angry. What a strange reaction, they see a miracle and then get mad about it.
Anyway not to stray off from what you said, But if Jesus says a fig tree or a literal mountain, we can know that He is telling us nothing is impossible when we pray. These are literal examples showing us that their is no limit with God and prayer.
One last thing we cannot deny the fact that Moses parted the red sea so they could go to safety, Joshua stopped the sun in the sky, Daniel spent the night in a lions den, Elijah stopped the rain, this is just a few names of men who walked with God and changed the course of nature, so why would it seem strange if we could curse a fig tree or move a mountain if we're in the Lords Will and needed a miracle. After all, we are citizens of the same Kingdom.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11668 is a reply to message #11665] |
Wed, 15 July 2015 09:41 |
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 14 July 2015 03:10 |
Hi Gary,
Yes I agree people do like to twist & distort God`s word to their ideas & desires. That`s why it is good to share & discuss with you fellas here as you are serious about respecting God`s word. We may not always agree, but we are trying to understand each other & God`s word.
Now about that scripture -
`So Jesus answered & said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith & do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, "Be removed & be cast into the sea," then it will be done.` (Matt. 21: 21)
Trevor & I have been discussing it. So here is what we think - Obviously God is not telling us to rearrange His earth - put a mountain in the sea or over there etc.
Let`s look at the word `mountain` & then the context of what Jesus is talking about.
mountain - Gk word `oros` - meaning to rise or rear, akin to `airo` -meaning to lift, ....make to doubt, take away.
So we see that Jesus is talking to the disciples to have faith in what God has promised their nation & not to doubt. He then gives a pictorial illustration of `taking doubt away.`
Marilyn.
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Hi Marilyn,
I highlighted the one quote because I think Jesus is talking to all of us and not just to the nation of Israel,
Have been considering further what you have said here. If we take this approach your using are we use this same word in other passages, for instance: Jesus went up on a mountain to pray or is it Jesus went up to take doubt away and then prayed?
Every other scripture where this word for mountain is used would have to be interpreted the same way.
I think we can take Jesus at His word for what it says, He is talking about a literal mountain and to all of His disciples throughout time, meaning even to this present time.
`So Jesus answered & said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith & do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, "Be removed & be cast into the sea," then it will be done.` (Matt. 21: 21)
Jesus is telling us you will not only do what was done to this fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain.
He is clearly telling us that its not only what we see done with this tree but also includes this mountain.
Can you see this? He is using the fig tree as a lesson that nothing is impossible to those who would have faith and most importantly they do not doubt. The emphasis is on having faith in God and not doubting that what He is saying is possible.
If this was not the case why would the Lord even mention concerning the mountain?
Mark 9:23
Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.”
"All" things does not mean "some" things, but it is only to those who can believe. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
I honestly don't think taking Jesus at His Word could mean anything but what He Himself tells us.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11669 is a reply to message #11668] |
Wed, 15 July 2015 23:59 |
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Hi Gary,
I certainly agree that what the Lord says is very important, words of eternal consequence. Even when He says things to others we should still take note. However I do not go as far as taking specific words to others to myself.
eg. When Christ rebukes Peter. I do learn from it, but know that Christ was talking specifically to Peter.
Also when the Lord is talking to the disciples regarding His purposes for Israel, I do learn of Christ & what He is doing, but I do not take them to myself.
So in this scripture, Matt. 21: 21, as I said I see that the Lord uses pictorial language to illustrate His lesson. I hear what you are saying about the `mountain,` & of course we do not use the figurative language for actual mountains. Just as we don`t look at every `Rock,` & say, "there is God," or every `Lion or Lamb,` & say there is Christ.
Actually I am reminded concerning `to rise, rear up,` of 2 Cor. 10 -
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments & every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, & being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.` (2 Cor. 10: 3 - 6)
I must say that you other post had a good flow of thoughts.
Blessings, Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11670 is a reply to message #11669] |
Thu, 16 July 2015 13:03 |
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Hi Marilyn,
I don't want to misunderstand you, so if I may, could I ask how you see the 'Sermon on the Mount' or John 3:16, was Jesus addressing only the hearers gathered on the mount/plain and Nicodemus or are we to take this literally as unto us as followers of Christ?
I'm not seeking contention or to put you down, just wondered how you received those teachings...to 'learn lessons' from them, or to follow.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11672 is a reply to message #11670] |
Fri, 17 July 2015 07:17 |
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Hi james,
What a gentle man you are, & so graciously asked. God bless you bro. You have such a precious manner, especially at this time when I needed it. (Not all people on other forums are so mature, kind & gracious.)
So to your question –
`I don't want to misunderstand you, so if I may, could I ask how you see the 'Sermon on the Mount' or John 3:16, was Jesus addressing only the hearers gathered on the mount/plain and Nicodemus or are we to take this literally as unto us as followers of Christ?
I'm not seeking contention or to put you down, just wondered how you received those teachings...to 'learn lessons' from them, or to follow.`
Trevor & I have been talking regarding your question, so I`ll share what we think. Then if you have some enlightenment, we would be pleased to hear that also.
JOHN 3:16.
We looked at the whole passage & Trevor noted that Nicodemus was `a teacher of Israel,` as the Lord said. Jesus also pointed out to Nicodemus that –
`Are you a teacher in Israel, & do not know these things?` (John 3: 10)
Jesus was amazed that Nicodemus did not know about being born of the Spirit as it is in what God has told them in the Old Testament. (Ez. 36: 26 & 27, Ps. 51: 10 – 13 & others)
So, although Jesus was talking specifically to Nicodemus, Jesus was referring to teaching by God, of being born of the Spirit of God. The people of Israel & especially its teachers should have known this.
Because Jesus is talking about a doctrine, a teaching of being a born of the Spirit, then we learn from that teaching also. Then we have the greater revelation by the Spirit through the Apostle Paul as to how the Spirit of God is building & maturing us into Christ`s Body & not into the nation of Israel.
THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT.
Matthew 5 & 6 is about Jesus telling Israel that they couldn`t fulfil the law. They had elevated the law to their own detriment, even trying to put it above Jesus.
When we read Matthew 5 & 6 the lesson is that we also can`t fulfil the law, especially from the heart. However since Christ fulfilled the law we can now continually look to Him to change our hearts. This focuses on Christ & His wonderful work, & not upon us.
When we try & do the activities of Matt. 5 & 6 we will fall under the law. However if we grow in knowing more of Christ, His character & sacrifice for us, then we will overcome & live by the Spirit. This further revelation was given to the Apostle Paul.
When we read Matt. 5 & 6, we should be saying –
How blessed are we in Christ, because of His great sacrifice I can now become merciful...
How blessed are we in Christ, because He fulfilled the law, I can now come to Him all the time with my offerings of praise & thanksgiving. I do not have to go through man or man`s organisations to do this.
How blessed are we in Christ, because of His holy Character, I can now be changed in my heart & do not have to `cut off my right hand,` etc.
We do not elevate the law, but exalt the Lord Jesus Christ.
`Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.` (Gal. 3: 24)
`Therefore God also has highly exalted Him & given Him the name which is above every name.` (Phil. 2: 9)
Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11673 is a reply to message #11672] |
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Fri, 17 July 2015 02:17 |
Jesus was amazed that Nicodemus did not know about being born of the Spirit as it is in what God has told them in the Old Testament. (Ez. 36: 26 & 27, Ps. 51: 10 – 13 & others)
So, although Jesus was talking specifically to Nicodemus, Jesus was referring to teaching by God, of being born of the Spirit of God. The people of Israel & especially its teachers should have known this.
Because Jesus is talking about a doctrine, a teaching of being a born of the Spirit, then we learn from that teaching also. Then we have the greater revelation by the Spirit through the Apostle Paul as to how the Spirit of God is building & maturing us into Christ`s Body & not into the nation of Israel.
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OK, good, I was concerned that 'maybe' what you were saying was that it was only to the Jewish people Jesus was making this promise to..."...that whosoever believeth on Him..." I know of people who teach two Gospels and they disregard what Jesus said because they consider that it only applied to Israel. They center their teaching almost totally on Paul and his Epistles. There is bits and pieces of truth in their teachings but they've distorted the truth and are taking away from the four Gospels and what Jesus said.
Also concerning the Sermon on the Mount, I agree with you and Trevor as to Jesus explaining that it is by The Spirit we are to live and we can't keep the Law in our flesh and own strength. I do believe Jesus expects us to strive to live a holy and set apart life unto Him, but He knows that it's only by His Spirit working within us(sanctification) that this is remotely possible.(as do we if we are honest with ourselves) While we're 'justified'(made right with God) when we are saved (believed unto salvation through Christ Jesus our Lord), sanctification takes time.
But so many people today who profess Christ as Lord and Saviour don't believe Christians are called to literally turn the other cheek; or, rather than kill enemies, actually love them and pray for them; to forgive others their trespasses; to not swear; to give and expect nothing in return; ect. I think He is showing that it is possible to be 'pure in heart', 'meek', 'a peacemaker', ect. and that God expects us to come to that place in our spiritual walk...but he plainly teaches throughout that it's only by walking in the Spirit that it's possible. That's one reason the message of The Cross is unpopular, no one want to "...take up their cross daily and follow Jesus..."...putting to death the deeds of the flesh...ect.
So thanks for explaining...
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11674 is a reply to message #11673] |
Sat, 18 July 2015 00:44 |
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Hi james,
And thank you for that great teaching, explaining in detail the walk of the Spirit. So glad we are `on the same page` with this.
Amen bro. Marilyn.
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11677 is a reply to message #11674] |
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3 And being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a woman came having an alabaster flask of very costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask and poured it on His head. 4 But there were some who were indignant among themselves, and said, “Why was this fragrant oil wasted? 5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred denarii and given to the poor.” And they criticized her sharply.
6 But Jesus said, “Let her alone. Why do you trouble her? She has done a good work for Me. 7 For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always. 8 She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial. 9 Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.”
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Jesus goes to Bethany at the house of Simon the leper. Interesting title this man is called, Simon the leper but while they were there setting at the table a woman comes with expensive spikenard and anoints Jesus on the head.
Immediately the disciples become worked up and start criticizing the woman for what she is doing.
Why all the concern? They appear to be immediately concerned for the poor, and want to make an issue with this woman bringing in this expensive ointment.
Jesus then gives them a mild rebuke. Let her alone. Why do you trouble her?
Ever been in a situation where someone is being picked on and then someone stands up for the individual? Sometimes those criticizing turn on the one taking up for the individual or if its someone with authority speaking, some can become resentful because they have been called down in the crowd.
Either way the disciples are making all this commotion and Jesus tells them to, Let her alone.
I believe Judas was offended because of what took place. Why? Because he immediately went to the chief priests. Sometimes I think this man was offended because his motive was not concern for the poor, but wanting to seem spiritual he speaks out against this woman's actions. Then having been rebuked he goes out to betray Jesus.
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10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Him to them. 11 And when they heard it, they were glad, and promised to give him money. So he sought how he might conveniently betray Him.
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There were other disciples who joined in with him but they received what the Lord was saying to them, even though they did not fully understand what was about to take place.
Either way if this was or was not his motive, Jesus said, It would be better if the man who betrayed Him was never born. The chief priests were "glad" at this news and promised, We can give you some money. "Money" the answer to everything. If you have plenty of money in these end times, you can get by with murder, rape, and you name it, and everyone turns their heads and looks the other way.
The message here still lives on, only it plays out in different scenarios. People become offended at what someone says and they try somehow to get back at the individual who made them appear foolish. It happens all the time. The "Love" of money allows people to submit and to make excuses to every kind of evil.
Looking at all the people's lives mentioned in the Gospels, we find were not to much different from them today. The difference we make is our reaction on how we deal with what we face each day.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11679 is a reply to message #11677] |
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title=Gary wrote on Sat, 25 July 2015 04:26
I believe Judas was offended because of what took place. Why? Because he immediately went to the chief priests. Sometimes I think this man was offended because his motive was not concern for the poor, but wanting to seem spiritual he speaks out against this woman's actions. Then having been rebuked he goes out to betray Jesus.
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John 12:6
Judas controlled the funds for their daily needs and he was disappointed because he wouldn't get a chance to 'skim off' some of the proceeds from the sale of the valuable perfume....you know, administrative fees. What amazes me is that Jesus knew all long that Judas would do what he did, and that he was a thief; yet He taught him and showed him love...still.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11680 is a reply to message #11679] |
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| james wrote on Sat, 25 July 2015 08:07 |
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title=Gary wrote on Sat, 25 July 2015 04:26
I believe Judas was offended because of what took place. Why? Because he immediately went to the chief priests. Sometimes I think this man was offended because his motive was not concern for the poor, but wanting to seem spiritual he speaks out against this woman's actions. Then having been rebuked he goes out to betray Jesus.
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John 12:6
Judas controlled the funds for their daily needs and he was disappointed because he wouldn't get a chance to 'skim off' some of the proceeds from the sale of the valuable perfume....you know, administrative fees. What amazes me is that Jesus knew all long that Judas would do what he did, and that he was a thief; yet He taught him and showed him love...still.
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So very true! As we both know stealing the money was just a part of the problem. Here was a man who saw the miracles, heard the Word, and enjoyed the fellowship with the Son of God. He betrayed Jesus but remember Peter denied even knowing Him. The difference was Peter turned back to the Lord and was very sorrowful for his actions.
I was reading in Mark concerning forgiveness. Jesus shares that without forgiveness it can hinder someone in praying.
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Mark 11:20 Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away.”
22 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.
25 “And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
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Well here we see a second witness in scripture concerning this mountain and fig tree. Let everything be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
Jesus is the one telling us about this mountain being removed and cast into the sea. He does stress that you should not doubt in your heart but "believes" that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. That sounds pretty all conclusive while the Lord goes on to say, "Therefore I say to you."
I heard a preacher say once that if you see the word "therefore" in scripture you should look and see what its "there for". In other words its for a reason, God is saying it. Jesus is saying, therefore whatever "things" you ask in prayer, believing you shall have them.
I for one choose to believe what Jesus Christ is saying since He is the the Son of God. I may not understand everything but if the Lord says something its good enough for me.
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Matthew 7:9 Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
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Every good gift comes down from our Father in heaven.
This message is woven throughout the four Gospels. Whenever Jesus dealt with individuals He almost always remarks concerning their faith in the situation.
Even when the Lord returned from the grave the first thing He did when he appears to His disciples is He rebuked them because of their unbelief in that they did not believe those who came to them and said we seen the Lord, He is Risen.
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14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.
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While searching the Gospels to see what did Jesus say concerning this subject I have to admit this is not some doctrine fabricated by men. While men have distorted some aspects of this teaching like they have done all the teachings of Jesus, we cannot deny the fact that Jesus did stress this in His Ministry.
What is the significance here? Where talking about a "God", who rules the universe. Someone who can create a man from dirt. We don't want to lose site that God is God. I think some people tend to put God in the past, or God in the future, and miss the point that He is here for us Today. Only men can put limits on God that He Himself has not put there, that is why it is important to know Him and what He says in His Word.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11681 is a reply to message #11680] |
Sun, 26 July 2015 22:39 |
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Hi Gary,
I think you have said something very important there -
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`I think some people tend to put God in the past, or God in the future, and miss the point that He is here for us Today. Only men can put limits on God that He Himself has not put there, that is why it is important to know Him and what He says in His Word.`
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I fully agree & thus know I need to keep `fresh` in my walk with the Lord, so I can hear Him clearly.
Blessings. Have a good day, Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11685 is a reply to message #11681] |
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Sun, 26 July 2015 18:39 |
Hi Gary,
I think you have said something very important there -
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`I think some people tend to put God in the past, or God in the future, and miss the point that He is here for us Today. Only men can put limits on God that He Himself has not put there, that is why it is important to know Him and what He says in His Word.`
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I fully agree & thus know I need to keep `fresh` in my walk with the Lord, so I can hear Him clearly.
Blessings. Have a good day, Marilyn.
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Thanks Marilyn,
You and Trevor are both a Blessing from the Lord. What I write is for me as well as anyone. I find its a daily process to strive to know the Lord and there are many distractions, if you know what I mean.
Gary
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Jesus started out His ministry with everyone getting in an uproar on what He had to say. One of His first recorded sermons when He did not speak in parables became very offensive to those setting there.
Starting out we see Jesus reading scripture in the synagogue and it tells us that this was His custom. So we can assume that He regularly read from the books of the OT scrolls:
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16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:
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“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
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To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
20 Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21 And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22 So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”
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After sharing that this scripture was being fulfilled this day, we see those in the synagogue bore witness to Him and it says they "marveled" at the gracious words that proceeded from His mouth and they were thinking "Is this not Joseph's son?" While their trying to figure it all out Jesus goes on to tell them:
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23 He said to them, “You will surely say this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in Your country.’” 24 Then He said, “Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his own country. 25 But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land; 26 but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.”
28 So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29 and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff. 30 Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way.
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What a sight this is. Jesus shares a few details concerning the beginning of His ministry and everyone is filled with "wrath". They were so mad they were going to throw Him from the brow of the hill and possibly bring Him to an early death.
If you read the text of what He is saying it makes you wonder what would drive these men to come to this point.
Wrath:
noun
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strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.
2.
vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger.
They resented what the Lord shared with a passion.
Jesus silently passes through the crowd and continues with His ministry.
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31 Then He went down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and was teaching them on the Sabbaths. 32 And they were astonished at His teaching, for His word was with authority.
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Jesus spoke with power and authority and it brought out a lot of emotions in men and where even the devils took note and would speak out.
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33 Now in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice, 34 saying, “Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”
35 But Jesus rebuked him, saying, “Be quiet, and come out of him!” And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him. 36 Then they were all amazed and spoke among themselves, saying, “What a word this is! For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out.” 37 And the report about Him went out into every place in the surrounding region.
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The demon cries out let us alone! Did you come to destroy us?
Obviously the powers of darkness did not fully understand why Jesus had come to the earth. Why is God showing up in a human body?
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11708 is a reply to message #11686] |
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Looking further into the woman that Jesus said, she would be given a memorial wherever the gospel is preached I have come to the conclusion that this is the same woman mentioned in Matthew, Mark, and John but there is a chance that the account in Luke may be a different account of another woman. But so many things are similar in the description that it could just be the same woman with some additional information given by Luke.
Let me explain why I think this. In Matthew and Mark the accounts seem almost word for word of what took place. They are in Bethany at the house of Simon the Leper. A woman comes in and anoints the head of Jesus and the disciples become indignant. Jesus says let her alone this will be a memorial to her because she did this for my burial.
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Matthew 26:6-16New King James Version
6 And when Jesus was in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, 7 a woman came to Him having an alabaster flask of very costly fragrant oil, and she poured it on His head as He sat at the table. 8 But when His disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, “Why this waste? 9 For this fragrant oil might have been sold for much and given to the poor.”
10 But when Jesus was aware of it, He said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a good work for Me. 11 For you have the poor with you always, but Me you do not have always. 12 For in pouring this fragrant oil on My body, she did it for My burial. 13 Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.”
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Looking up the word Memorial we find:
noun
1.
something designed to preserve the memory of a person, event, etc., as a monument or a holiday.
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a written statement of facts presented to a sovereign, a legislative body, etc., as the ground of, or expressed in the form of, a petition or remonstrance.
adjective
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preserving the memory of a person or thing; commemorative:
memorial services.
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of or relating to the memory.
Something to be remembered for what she had done.
Matthew and Mark were totally similar in content but then we come to John's account. John tells us that its the sister of Lazarus, Mary who anoints the feet of Jesus with the Oil. It does not say whose house they are in but it tells us Martha served the meal, while Lazarus set at the table with Jesus. Many people were drawn to Jesus because of Lazarus being raised from the dead.
John also tells us that Judas Iscariot was Simon's son? I wondered if this was Simon the leper in whose house they met for this meal. John also tells us that Judas spoke out concerning the use of this oil because it could be sold for money and then they could help the poor. Sounds spiritual we should be helping the poor, but then Jesus speaks up because of this and says, Let her alone.
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12 Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom He had raised from the dead. 2 There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him. 3 Then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil.
4 But one of His disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, who would betray Him, said, 5 “Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?” 6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it.
7 But Jesus said, “Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. 8 For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always.”
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denarius
1.
a silver coin and monetary unit of ancient Rome, first issued in the latter part of the 3rd century b.c., that fluctuated in value and sometimes appeared as a bronze coin.
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a gold coin of ancient Rome equal to 25 silver denarii; aureus.
Three hundred denarii is a lot of money even by today's standard, but John tells us that Judas was stealing from the money box on a regular basis. The Love of money is the root of all evil. Either way I believe that Judas was offended at what took place and then were told in Matthew and Mark that he immediately went out to talk with the Chief Priests. They were plotting on putting Lazarus to death because many believed in Jesus because of Lazarus being raised from the dead.
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9 Now a great many of the Jews knew that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead. 10 But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also, 11 because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus.
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All three accounts in Matthew, Mark, and John tell us what took place and compliment each other in their description.
Then we come to Luke's account. Could an event take place that has some similarities but be totally different?
The reason I say this is; we are told by Luke that Jesus and His disciples came to the city of Nain. Nain is up near Nazareth in the area of Galilee, while Bethany is south near Jerusalem in the area of Judea.
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11 Now it happened, the day after, that He went into a city called Nain; and many of His disciples went with Him,
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There are similarities to the account but Lazarus, Martha, a memorial to the woman, or the disciples being indignant are not mentioned. Luke tells us that they were invited to the house of "Simon the Pharisee". It then tells us that a woman in the city who was a sinner came with an alabaster flask of oil and is weeping and crying and wiping the feet of Jesus with her hair.
They are setting at the table thinking if this man was a prophet he would know that this woman is a sinner. This is when Jesus addresses Simon concerning those who sinned more then others.
From the time they entered the city of Nain until this event there is no mention that they returned to Bethany.
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36 Then one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And He went to the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to eat. 37 And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, 38 and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, “This Man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner.”
40 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”
So he said, “Teacher, say it.”
41 “There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?”
43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.”
And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.” 44 Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. 45 You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. 47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
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It very well could be talking about Mary, the sister of Lazarus and Luke is giving out more information on what took place but leaves out concerning their return to Bethany and all the events that took place there.
Interesting enough is the fact that this memorial was mentioned in all four Gospels and even to this day is being proclaimed wherever the Gospel is being preached.
Gary
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Tue, 18 August 2015 12:27 |
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Luke 8:1-10
8 Now it came to pass, afterward, that He went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God. And the twelve were with Him, 2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities—Mary called Magdalene, out of whom had come seven demons, 3 and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others who provided for Him from their substance.
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No where in scripture do we find that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. This is another one of those teachings that came out of Catholic Mysticism and has been passed down through the ages.
We do see that Mary had seven demons cast out of her, but its interesting to note that it says in this passage that certain women were "healed" of evil spirits and infirmities.
Never really thought of the concept of being "healed" of an evil spirit. Evidently there was some disease that bound them where they needed a healing.
When Jesus healed many we see a direct connection to some type of demonic activity. In situations of demonic activity there is no cure all drug that will magically make them leave.
Just saying a prayer will not necessarily remove an evil spirit, they must be cast out and told to leave. In some cases Jesus said that some spirits will not come out unless someone would fast and pray before ministering deliverance.
We have to realize that our adversary walks about like a roaring lion and is not scared off by some program derived by men. Here again we find it is through faith that a person will be delivered. Jesus made this quite clear in His approach to ministering to the lost.
Sin and the occult open the door to demonic possession which leads to oppression of the individual.
In Mary Magdalene's case there was seven demonic spirits that were cast out of her.
Gary
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Fri, 21 August 2015 12:13 |
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How many times do we see in scripture a person needing healing and we find that demonic activity is behind the affliction?
Here is a picture of a woman who was bound for 18 years of her life was bent over and could not raise herself up. Such a horrible condition that she had to go through. If this same case was around today we would find there is nothing medical science could do except maybe give her some opiate type of medication to help with pain. In fact no matter what medical science would try would be to no avail, Why?, because their dealing with a "spirit of infirmity".
Evil Spirits can only be removed by faith in God, His word and by acknowledging our authority that was given at the cross through Jesus Christ.
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10 Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11 And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. 12 But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, “Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.” 13 And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God.
14 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd, “There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day.”
15 The Lord then answered him and said, “Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?” 17 And when He said these things, all His adversaries were put to shame; and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him.
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What a response, the ruler of the synagogue became indignant.
If we see anything in the gospels it is the fact that the Pharisees had high regards for not breaking the Sabbath. It became a major sore spot for them whenever they see Jesus doing the works of God on this day.
What is interesting is, here is a man going around and performing obvious miracles right before their eyes, and they could not see or discern what was taking place.
In almost every case it was over breaking of the Sabbath that became the great stumbling block.
Again we see in scripture:
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14 Now it happened, as He went into the house of one of the rulers of the Pharisees to eat bread on the Sabbath, that they watched Him closely. 2 And behold, there was a certain man before Him who had dropsy. 3 And Jesus, answering, spoke to the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”
4 But they kept silent. And He took him and healed him, and let him go. 5 Then He answered them, saying, “Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?” 6 And they could not answer Him regarding these things.
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They had no answer to give Him.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Gary
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Tue, 25 August 2015 10:08 |
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Why would the apostles ask the question: Lord increase our faith?
They knew Jesus was the Son of God, they had seen Him walk on water, calm storms at sea, heal all manner of disease, set people free from demonic powers. The Apostles saw that each time Jesus ministered to someone, He would always make mention of their faith in the matter.
At this point when they ask the question, Jesus did not say you need more love rather then faith. But He goes on to say:
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5 And the apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith.”
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Again we see the Lord mentioning a different tree in scripture and saying, that just with a small amount of faith you can pluck up this mulberry tree, by the roots and cast it in the sea. Interesting that we would have two different trees and two different accounts basically, saying the same thing in the Gospels.
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6 So the Lord said, “If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you. 7 And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? 9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. 10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’”
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Here we have another tree in an entirely different location and Jesus is telling them with just a little faith what would take place. I think the Lord is making a point to His apostles that is meant for all who read His word.
"All things are possible" is just as true today as it was back then. We cannot lose sight of what God tells us in His Word. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
While reading over the Gospels wanting to know, what did Jesus tell us, it becomes very clear what He is saying in His Word.
The Son of God came that we can be set free.
Gary
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We can see in what everyone calls the Lords prayer only one change from the book of Matthew compared with the book of Luke:
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Matthew 6:9 In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
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Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us this day our daily bread.
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And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
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And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
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Matthew says forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors, while Luke proclaims forgive us our sins as we forgive those indebted to us.
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Luke 11:1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.”
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us day by day our daily bread.
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And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.”
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Either way this is a good prayer to remember and to pray as often as the Spirit reminds us. God still forgives our sins as we forgive those who are indebted to us. Jesus said, "Offenses will come", and we know there is nothing we can do to stop them, they just happen sometimes when your dealing with your fellow man.
I like what Luke tells us after he gives this prayer:
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Luke 11:5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.
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Because of our persistence in this prayer God will take care of us.
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9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
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There's a lot of doctrines going around saying we should not ask God for anything. But to the contrary, the Lord is our helper and is there for us in time of need. The Bible clearly says those who "ask" "receives".
With this thought in mind we have to realize that a persons heart is towards the Lord and not using God for mere material things, because Jesus tells us, that those who seek First the Kingdom will know that our Heavenly Father provides what we need without us even asking. When we do ask we can know that the Lord is there for us.
God is for us and not against us. If God before us then who can be against us.
Gary
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Sat, 05 September 2015 12:22 |
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| Gary wrote on Sat, 05 September 2015 04:58 |
God is for us and not against us. If God before us then who can be against us.
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Good stuff, Gary...you're right, there are a bunch of doctrines <of men> out there.
Reminds me of the song by Chris Tomlin: Our God, beautiful song, can be found on You Tube.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| james wrote on Sat, 05 September 2015 08:22 |
| Gary wrote on Sat, 05 September 2015 04:58 |
God is for us and not against us. If God before us then who can be against us.
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Good stuff, Gary...you're right, there are a bunch of doctrines <of men> out there.
Reminds me of the song by Chris Tomlin: Our God, beautiful song, can be found on You Tube.
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The main thing I see is that the doctrines given by Jesus are clear if we look. If He did not want us to "ask in prayer", as some are saying, then He would of told us so.
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19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
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Whenever we face something in this world and there seems to be no hope or answer and then we go to God and it comes to pass, our relationship is strengthened with the Lord. It always brings a measure of joy to see the Lord help us in our different situations.
Gary
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Woman in Adultery?
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8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them. 3 Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst, 4 they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?” 6 This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.
7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.” 8 And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
11 She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
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I might have pointed this out before, but its interesting they bring this woman to Jesus and said, she was caught in the very act of adultery.
Nothing seems out of place does it?
The question that arises in my mind is, Where is the man? You know, the man who was caught in the adultery with this woman. You would of thought they would of brought both guilty parties to the Lord, but for some reason it is only the woman who they felt they should bring to Jesus.
It may well be some part of their cultural upbringing that would think the woman has done evil and should be dealt with, but according to the scriptures this man was in the same "sin", and was not guiltless before God.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11736 is a reply to message #11735] |
Thu, 10 September 2015 13:01 |
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There's several thoughts that come to mind as to 'where was the man', one was that it was 'men' that was behind this and their purpose wasn't to seek justice or righteousness concerning the act of adultery going on in their midst, it was to trap Jesus into saying something they could use against Him. Plus, remember this, society has always had a double standard in regard to moral issues, as we see today. More often than not women are blamed, although everyone knows it takes two to 'tango'. Then again, based on what's going on in our society today, I guess one could ask, 'where was the other woman'. Not trying to be cute, now days it could be a same sex situation.
Another thing, somewhere I once read that when Jesus was writing one the ground He was writing this question, "where is the man?" Could be, we aren't told, but I'm sure He wasn't playing tic-tat-toe in the sand.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| james wrote on Thu, 10 September 2015 08:01 |
There's several thoughts that come to mind as to 'where was the man', one was that it was 'men' that was behind this and their purpose wasn't to seek justice or righteousness concerning the act of adultery going on in their midst, it was to trap Jesus into saying something they could use against Him. Plus, remember this, society has always had a double standard in regard to moral issues, as we see today. More often than not women are blamed, although everyone knows it takes two to 'tango'. Then again, based on what's going on in our society today, I guess one could ask, 'where was the other woman'. Not trying to be cute, now days it could be a same sex situation.
Another thing, somewhere I once read that when Jesus was writing one the ground He was writing this question, "where is the man?" Could be, we aren't told, but I'm sure He wasn't playing tic-tat-toe in the sand.
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Or... "where are the others?" <grin>
"...Even so, come, Lord Jesus." Rev 22:20
Blessings,
William
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11761 is a reply to message #11725] |
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| Gary wrote on Sat, 05 September 2015 05:58 |
We can see in what everyone calls the Lords prayer only one change from the book of Matthew compared with the book of Luke:
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Matthew 6:9 In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
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Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us this day our daily bread.
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And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
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And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
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Matthew says forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors, while Luke proclaims forgive us our sins as we forgive those indebted to us.
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Luke 11:1 Now it came to pass, as He was praying in a certain place, when He ceased, that one of His disciples said to Him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples.”
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
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Give us day by day our daily bread.
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And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.”
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Either way this is a good prayer to remember and to pray as often as the Spirit reminds us. God still forgives our sins as we forgive those who are indebted to us. Jesus said, "Offenses will come", and we know there is nothing we can do to stop them, they just happen sometimes when your dealing with your fellow man.
I like what Luke tells us after he gives this prayer:
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Luke 11:5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs.
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Because of our persistence in this prayer God will take care of us.
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9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
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There's a lot of doctrines going around saying we should not ask God for anything. But to the contrary, the Lord is our helper and is there for us in time of need. The Bible clearly says those who "ask" "receives".
With this thought in mind we have to realize that a persons heart is towards the Lord and not using God for mere material things, because Jesus tells us, that those who seek First the Kingdom will know that our Heavenly Father provides what we need without us even asking. When we do ask we can know that the Lord is there for us.
God is for us and not against us. If God before us then who can be against us.
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I just wanted to make a few more comments concerning this prayer. I find its easy to read over scriptures and miss part of what is being said.
Anyway, I pointed out there was only one change from the book of Matthew compared with the book of Luke. Where Matthew says forgive us our debts, the verse in Luke says forgive us our sins. This prayer can be interchanged either way. If you haven't already committed these verses to memory it is an excellent prayer to remember and start your day out with.
While thinking about this, I realize that Luke leaves off the last verse as well. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory Forever.
I think its good to pray to have God to deliver us from the evil one, and that we be not lead into temptation. But that we also remember to acknowledge that God is in control of His Kingdom and is worthy of Our Praise to Him.
Gary
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Hi Gary,
I also love the Lord`s prayer that He gave to the disciples, however I note that it was for the people of Israel to pray concerning God`s rule to come on earth for them as a nation. We, have further revelation by the Apostle Paul, where we know that Christ`s rule is in our hearts & that our inheritance is with Him in the third heaven.
Now talking of prayers, do you know any that Paul gave to the Body of Christ?
Good topic, & blessings, Marilyn.
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11763 is a reply to message #11762] |
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Sun, 20 September 2015 17:53 |
Hi Gary,
I also love the Lord`s prayer that He gave to the disciples, however I note that it was for the people of Israel to pray concerning God`s rule to come on earth for them as a nation. We, have further revelation by the Apostle Paul, where we know that Christ`s rule is in our hearts & that our inheritance is with Him in the third heaven.
Now talking of prayers, do you know any that Paul gave to the Body of Christ?
Good topic, & blessings, Marilyn.
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Hi Marilyn,
Before I get into anything I want to make sure I am understanding what your saying here. Are you saying this is just for those disciples back then that He is talking to concerning Israel as a nation? Or, Is He talking to all disciples who follow His teaching down through time including us today?
Not quite understanding what your saying here.
Secondly, I don't know what you are saying in this statement:
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We, have further revelation by the Apostle Paul, where we know that Christ`s rule is in our hearts & that our inheritance is with Him in the third heaven.
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Hi Gary,
Hope I can be a bit clearer. I believe that what the Lord said to Israel, are many truths for us, however some things He said were specifically for them. eg. `the meek shall inherit the earth,` whereas the Body of Christ is told that our inheritance is in the third heaven with Christ on His own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)
Now regarding the Lord`s prayer, we know the it is a wondrous truth to be able to say, `Our Father who art in heaven,` & `hallowed be thy name.` What great truths to dwell on, learn of & really practice in our daily living `reverence of the Father. And really unless Christ came as heaven`s messenger to tell us & teach us of the Father we really would not know what it is like in the heavenly realms.
Then we read, `Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.` Israel knew that God`s kingdom rule would come on the earth through them. However as Jesus told them they needed to do the commandments from their hearts & not just lip service like the Pharisees. They were to pray to the Father for His rule to come.
Remember the disciples thought that they would overthrown the Romans & bring in the kingdom rule. And again they asked the Lord just before He ascended, `Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom (rule) to Israel?` (Acts 1: 6)
So we can see that although we can pray those words, they really are specific to Israel to ask the Father for His rule to come through Israel then over the earth.
For the Body of Christ there are specific prayers that the Apostle Paul (by Christ`s Holy Spirit) has written for the Body of Christ. Can you find them?
Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11766 is a reply to message #11764] |
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Mon, 21 September 2015 20:36 |
Hi Gary,
Hope I can be a bit clearer. I believe that what the Lord said to Israel, are many truths for us, however some things He said were specifically for them. eg. `the meek shall inherit the earth,` whereas the Body of Christ is told that our inheritance is in the third heaven with Christ on His own throne. (Rev. 3: 21)
Now regarding the Lord`s prayer, we know the it is a wondrous truth to be able to say, `Our Father who art in heaven,` & `hallowed be thy name.` What great truths to dwell on, learn of & really practice in our daily living `reverence of the Father. And really unless Christ came as heaven`s messenger to tell us & teach us of the Father we really would not know what it is like in the heavenly realms.
Then we read, `Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.` Israel knew that God`s kingdom rule would come on the earth through them. However as Jesus told them they needed to do the commandments from their hearts & not just lip service like the Pharisees. They were to pray to the Father for His rule to come.
Remember the disciples thought that they would overthrown the Romans & bring in the kingdom rule. And again they asked the Lord just before He ascended, `Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom (rule) to Israel?` (Acts 1: 6)
So we can see that although we can pray those words, they really are specific to Israel to ask the Father for His rule to come through Israel then over the earth.
For the Body of Christ there are specific prayers that the Apostle Paul (by Christ`s Holy Spirit) has written for the Body of Christ. Can you find them?
Marilyn.
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Hi Marilyn,
Obviously you cannot point out every single detail concerning every single thing in a verse.
My point is that Jesus gave this prayer to His disciples, (us) as an example to pray. This prayer is found in the beatitudes and is spoken to all who follow the Lord.
Right now I'm spending my time mainly in the Gospels and may look into Paul's prayers at a later date.
The problem I see in the body is that men try to add things to what Jesus said while He was on the earth. When Jesus makes a point concerning anything men will add to it to make it say what they want it to say.
I believe every word written in the Gospels are for us today as believers. Sure they can apply to others in their situation but Jesus is speaking to His sheep who hear His voice. While many claim to hear Him by their actions they do not really hear and believe what He said.
The man who builds his house on the rock (Jesus) and obeys His words is the man whose house will stand when the storms of life come.
Now men over the centuries had added to the words of Jesus, in fact they have added so many things that now we see they obey the things they have added and explain away what Jesus said, while following their own traditions and sayings. This is basically what the Talmud ended up doing, taking the collection of Jewish law and tradition consisting of the Mishnah and the Gemara and this became the guiding light for all Jews.
I recently heard a Rabbi who spent the better part of an hour explaining away their Bible. From the creation on he tried to explain in scientific terms what really happened.
Are we any different today? I read about a local church in our area who professes to be Christian, in the picture above the article there was maybe eight to ten local buddhist monks teaching them the way of peace. The article went on to say that this church had an open mind and of course it was implied they accepted everything that came down the pike.
Jesus tells us that strait is the gate and few there be who find it, not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will enter the kingdom. We know from scripture that the deception is going to be so bad at the end of time that if it were possible even the very elect of God would be deceived.
So this is why its so important to cling to every word that Jesus spoke in the Gospels, for us, for today. Adding nothing nor taking away what He has told us.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11767 is a reply to message #11764] |
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Mon, 21 September 2015 19:36 |
For the Body of Christ there are specific prayers that the Apostle Paul (by Christ`s Holy Spirit) has written for the Body of Christ. Can you find them?
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Marilyn, I say this with a 'meek' and humble attitude, not wanting to be perceived as arrogant or prideful, but anyone who has followed Jesus for any length of time can quote several prayers Paul prayed for those he was addressing. I have quoted several of them as words of encouragement on the Bulletin Board over the years. I'd imagine one you'd use to go along with what you're presenting would be Ephesians 1:15-19 where he told them his prayer to God for them was that the eyes of their understanding be open <revelation> to understand the fullness of God's love, His calling, and inheritance.
[Updated on: Tue, 22 September 2015 13:28]
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11768 is a reply to message #11767] |
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Hi Gary & James,
I apologize. Have just realised that I was digressing from your thread of the gospels. So please forgive me, & I look forward to your discussion of Christ`s writings through the Apostle Paul. That is if you do it some time.
Blessings, bros. Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11769 is a reply to message #11768] |
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After the forty day fast Jesus goes right into a ministry that spreads like a wildfire.
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23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people. 24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them. 25 Great multitudes followed Him—from Galilee, and from Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, and beyond the Jordan.
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This ministry spread clear up into Syria and then far into the southern part of the country.
Its amazing, with no radio, tv, or internet outreach, we see His ministry having a large influence over the multitudes. He didn't need a rock band to lead worship, nor a bulletin announcing the days activities.
Word spreads very rapidly by word of mouth. The ministry of healing and deliverance drew the crowds.
Sinful man has always been plagued with disease, torments, and as the Bible shows demon possession. Its interesting that those who were epileptics and paralytics are mentioned separately and are not mixed in with the statement concerning various diseases and torments.
So what happened that made the difference, it was the statement, "He healed them". When the power of God is manifested through healing, it has a huge impact on large numbers of people.
You know whats very interesting is that most true born again believers agree with what took place in Jesus ministry, there are some differences but for the most part those who have creeds concerning the works of Jesus, all seem to agree on what took place.
Even though I realize that Paul's letters were inspired by the Spirit and we find him dealing with issues in the church. Today many of those same issues have caused divisions in many churches. I think it has to do with incorrect doctrinal practices where everyone tries to interpret what everyone needs to do.
Its interesting how all of this has played out through history and now at the end of time we are dealing with many of the same issues, while the power of God is lacking in our midst. That's not to say we don't have some manifestations of the power of God. Part of the hindrance from its manifestation comes from misinterpreting Paul's letters to the churches which has caused strife and division between many believers.
Anyway just wanted to make a note again that while Paul's letters are inspired of God it has become a situation where men have read into the text and added what they think it says. Whether it is an official church doctrine or an unspoken rule held by any congregation of people.
While in the Gospels, we see Jesus laboring to bring the good news and was helping mankind through the message and the power of God.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11770 is a reply to message #11769] |
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| Gary wrote on Thu, 24 September 2015 04:43 |
Anyway just wanted to make a note again that while Paul's letters are inspired of God it has become a situation where men have read into the text and added what they think it says. Whether it is an official church doctrine or an unspoken rule held by any congregation of people.
While in the Gospels, we see Jesus laboring to bring the good news and was helping mankind through the message and the power of God.
Gary
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Not to disagree, but also take into consideration that what Jesus said is left up to personal opinions by most. Look at the teachings by Jesus in Matthew 5-7, it seems no two 'groups'/denominations agree with what they think He meant; was it literally or figuratively? Was it for the Jews and not the Gentiles, or for both? Was it for that 'dispensation', or for all believers until His return? Was it to be only applied to 'their'(Jewish) kingdom, or was it unto the church (Body of Christ)?
I do see more and more well meaning people(followers of Christ) who have placed Paul above Jesus as to the writings of the NT... at least it looks that way in how they come across. Yes we know the revelation of the mystery of the Body of Christ was revealed to Paul and through him given unto The Body....but sometimes I wonder if kinda like the catholics putting Mary on a pedestal if some haven't elevated Paul above Jesus in so far as adherence to their teachings,(as if we'd forgotten that It's ALL God's inspired words.)
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| james wrote on Thu, 24 September 2015 07:49 |
| Gary wrote on Thu, 24 September 2015 04:43 |
Anyway just wanted to make a note again that while Paul's letters are inspired of God it has become a situation where men have read into the text and added what they think it says. Whether it is an official church doctrine or an unspoken rule held by any congregation of people.
While in the Gospels, we see Jesus laboring to bring the good news and was helping mankind through the message and the power of God.
Gary
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Not to disagree, but also take into consideration that what Jesus said is left up to personal opinions by most. Look at the teachings by Jesus in Matthew 5-7, it seems no two 'groups'/denominations agree with what they think He meant; was it literally or figuratively? Was it for the Jews and not the Gentiles, or for both? Was it for that 'dispensation', or for all believers until His return? Was it to be only applied to 'their'(Jewish) kingdom, or was it unto the church (Body of Christ)?
I do see more and more well meaning people(followers of Christ) who have placed Paul above Jesus as to the writings of the NT... at least it looks that way in how they come across. Yes we know the revelation of the mystery of the Body of Christ was revealed to Paul and through him given unto The Body....but sometimes I wonder if kinda like the catholics putting Mary on a pedestal if some haven't elevated Paul above Jesus in so far as adherence to their teachings,(as if we'd forgotten that It's ALL God's inspired words.)
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I think Paul was dealing with all the problems, sorting out OT doctrines that applied to the New Testament Church, along with everything they ran into as the church world was starting to form.
I see what you mean though its like sorting through a stack of information to find our "what does God want for our lives".
One good thing we can all rest in is the fact that the sheep will hear His voice and another they will not follow. What is it they will hear; he says here: the acknowledgement of the truth which accords with godliness.
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one meaning of the word "accord " is;
verb (used without object)
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to be in agreement or harmony; agree.
I guess if we take a good look, its the whole Bible that most can't agree on. In fact everyone does not even agree on which version to use. LOL
But on the other hand the Bible says this would happen. In the final analysis election comes to mind and it is who God choses.
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Forsaking the world and its lusts is something I would hope all could agree on.
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4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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Making our election and calling sure. That's something we can only do as individuals.
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Not to disagree, but also take into consideration that what Jesus said is left up to personal opinions by most. Look at the teachings by Jesus in Matthew 5-7, it seems no two 'groups'/denominations agree with what they think He meant; was it literally or figuratively? Was it for the Jews and not the Gentiles, or for both? Was it for that 'dispensation', or for all believers until His return? Was it to be only applied to 'their'(Jewish) kingdom, or was it unto the church (Body of Christ)?
I do see more and more well meaning people(followers of Christ) who have placed Paul above Jesus as to the writings of the NT... at least it looks that way in how they come across. Yes we know the revelation of the mystery of the Body of Christ was revealed to Paul and through him given unto The Body....but sometimes I wonder if kinda like the catholics putting Mary on a pedestal if some haven't elevated Paul above Jesus in so far as adherence to their teachings,(as if we'd forgotten that It's ALL God's inspired words.)
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James,
You made some very good comments here and I was thinking about this whole idea of peoples personal opinions of what Jesus said.
The thing we must realize is that when Jesus came to this earth, He came with only "one message". That is: that He was the Son of God, who came to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind. Through His ministry He showed by many signs that God was with Him and that what He was saying was true.
Jesus died on a cross and if we believe His Words and follow Him that we have eternal life. At this point in time, when we repent and see Him as the Savior we are washed in the Blood of Christ and are born again into the Kingdom of God.
That is the message for the Jew and for all mankind. Even though He expounds on different subjects, His message is for those who hear His words and keep them, that they will spend eternity with God.
Martha was all worried about the meal and serving everyone but Mary chose to sit and hear His Words.
What we see take place in the New Testament is that immediately after Jesus ascended, people were constantly trying to add to or change the message. God then raises up Paul to deal with a lot of problems that were coming on the scene as soon as the new church world was being formed. Paul was laying ground work and setting things in order by the Spirit of God.
In our modern times men have been taking what Paul said; and creating more problems which was never Paul's intent. I think sometimes, its a great distraction brought by the flesh, because, do men really want to know what Jesus said. Many say they do, but do they really want to hear and apply it.
Our carnal flesh is very deceiving and can be used by the devil to influence our thinking. This is the warfare we find ourselves in daily.
Its a constant battle we go through, but we can always rely on the Mercy of God and His Grace to carry us through to the end.
This is why its important to keep Gods Words always before our eyes its the lamp for our feet and the light on the path of life. We have a new and better covenant and God wants us to keep it, and see it for what it says.
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11780 is a reply to message #11774] |
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Hi Gary,
Now you said -
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The thing we must realize is that when Jesus came to this earth, He came with only "one message". That is: that He was the Son of God, who came to be sacrificed for the sins of mankind. Through His ministry He showed by many signs that God was with Him and that what He was saying was true.
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Yes, I believe Jesus had this message but He also had more to say to Israel. I do not want to derail your topic, so I have posted my thoughts on another thread - The difference between Israel & the Body of Christ.
Blessings, Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
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Jesus tells us that not everyone who uses His name will enter the Kingdom of heaven. Who is He speaking of?
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but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
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It says here; people that prophesied in His name, cast out demons, and done many wonders. So what is it that separates these out from others?
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23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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Those without law who practice lawlessness in other words.
lawless
adjective
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contrary to or without regard for the law:
lawless violence.
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being without law; uncontrolled by a law; unbridled; unruly; unrestrained:
lawless passion.
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illegal:
Those without regard for the law or being without law. I know many will start thinking grace, were under grace and not under the law. But many don't quote; Grace is not a license to sin. Yes, Grace is a blessing from God, His unmerited favor towards us who believe, but it does not become a license to practice lawlessness.
Jesus went on to say: 24 “Therefore whoever "hears" these sayings of Mine, and does them,
Its important to not only hear the sayings of Jesus but to actually do them. Its one thing to quote the Bible its another thing to do it.
While many today want loopholes in the scriptures to make excuses for sin, and following the way of the world, Jesus tells us that the wise man is the one who hears His sayings and does them. Their not looking for loopholes so they can practice lawlessness.
Paul tells us in Corinthians:
16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”
17 Therefore
“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”
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“I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”
There is a separation that takes place and God says to come out from among them. The wise man will hear the sayings and practice what Jesus tells us in His word. Many today will tell us that Jesus hung out with the sinners. How are we going to reach them if we don't hang out with them?
The difference is; Jesus was not there for fellowship and entertainment, but He was there ministering concerning the things of the Kingdom.
There are many churches now saying: "were an inclusive church", then they try telling everyone how Jesus loved the sinners. Another Jesus is being proclaimed in this country, that we don't find in the Bible. Many voices are saying many things but a lot of information is not found in God's Word.
The Gospels were written for believers who can hear His Words and are willing to lay down all to do them. A wise man will hear and understand in this hour.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11818 is a reply to message #11815] |
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| Gary wrote on Tue, 13 October 2015 04:53 |
24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
Jesus tells us quite clearly in His Word: That "Whoever" hears these saying of mine.
Whoever is for all for all times and this shows that the Beatitudes is not just for some isolated group on this earth. Its important in these end times that we stay with the clear teachings of our Lord and Savior. Jesus goes on to say; "whoever" hears them, and "does them", is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Many can hear what Jesus is saying but they cannot hear, and many see what Jesus is saying but they cannot see.
"Whoever" is all conclusive, and is for all Christians for all times. There is no hidden message in the Bible and the scriptures are of no private interpretation. Men limit the Living God by refusing to look at what He is clearly saying in His Word.
Jesus came to set men free and one day we will all spend eternity in heaven as one, whether it be Jews or Gentiles, He has made a way for all mankind to enter in and to dwell for all of eternity.
Gary
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Gary, in response to your last two posts here, I read this the other day on another forum and wrote it down, it really says it all...some might recognize it.
"Doctrinal agreement is best lived out, not recited.
People can say anything. What they believe in is demonstrated in their lives. Doctrine explains what someone believes to be true while faith demonstrates it.
Everyone believes in something, has faith in something, and that something is expressed in how they(we) live their lives.
Our faith comes by being both hearers and doers of The Word."
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11819 is a reply to message #11818] |
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Gary
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| james wrote on Fri, 16 October 2015 18:14 |
| Gary wrote on Tue, 13 October 2015 04:53 |
24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
Jesus tells us quite clearly in His Word: That "Whoever" hears these saying of mine.
Whoever is for all for all times and this shows that the Beatitudes is not just for some isolated group on this earth. Its important in these end times that we stay with the clear teachings of our Lord and Savior. Jesus goes on to say; "whoever" hears them, and "does them", is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Many can hear what Jesus is saying but they cannot hear, and many see what Jesus is saying but they cannot see.
"Whoever" is all conclusive, and is for all Christians for all times. There is no hidden message in the Bible and the scriptures are of no private interpretation. Men limit the Living God by refusing to look at what He is clearly saying in His Word.
Jesus came to set men free and one day we will all spend eternity in heaven as one, whether it be Jews or Gentiles, He has made a way for all mankind to enter in and to dwell for all of eternity.
Gary
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Gary, in response to your last two posts here, I read this the other day on another forum and wrote it down, it really says it all...some might recognize it.
"Doctrinal agreement is best lived out, not recited.
People can say anything. What they believe in is demonstrated in their lives. Doctrine explains what someone believes to be true while faith demonstrates it.
Everyone believes in something, has faith in something, and that something is expressed in how they(we) live their lives.
Our faith comes by being both hearers and doers of The Word."
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Hi James,
I don't know if I can say I agree with this writers statement in light of scripture and I will admit I don't know the full context this was shared in another forum.
The Bible says:
11 These things command and teach.
13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine.
Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
So this individual is tell us that doctrine is not to be recited, I find that Paul tells us to command and teach and give attention to doctrine. The importance to giving heed to doctrine or "teachings" will both save us and "those who hear us", at least this is what the Apostle Paul is telling us.
Paul also states that were to:
15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
What I am trying to say is talking or discussing doctrine is part of the picture unless someone is trying to find a loop hole in scripture to justify disobedience.
In fact Paul says were to exhort one another with doctrine:
Teach and exhort these things.
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
To read this last statement it sounds like someone does not have "true love" (according to some in the church of these modern times) if they were to withdraw themselves from someone because of their unwholesome words.
What I shared was; that Jesus was going to say to a group of people depart from me you who work lawlessness. Today's church is full of lawlessness with every manner of sin and worldliness running rampant. Fornication, people living together out of wedlock, adultery, people getting divorced and remarried a half dozen times or more, and now homosexuals being allowed to take a seat in God's house and everyone accepts it as normal.
Now their promoting once saved always saved, saying you only lose a few rewards if you have a little sin in your life. Just a few rewards!, I would hope one of them isn't "salvation".
No I have to disagree with this guys statement as I don't know what he means by living it and not reciting it. It could be taken as; I don't want to hear it, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
Don't forget I said, I don't know what context it was stated in another setting. But taking it at face value can mean many different things.
Jesus said again: depart from me you who practice lawlessness. Very serious consequences for the one who is found in this group.
We who are walking in the Spirit are not under the law as we seek the things of the Spirit.
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Those who are lawless don't want to hear doctrine because it gets in their little neutral gray area and may make waves. In fact I believe the world is trying to influence Christians not to use the "S" word because its a form of judging and who are others to be judging us, we can live the way we want and its nobodies business, is the attitude of today. We don't need the Christians judging us.
The fact is we are not judging anyone, we're just quoting what God is saying in His Word and what it will take to get to heaven. They perceive it as judging or their conscience is pricked and they don't want to hear it.
4 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word!| Quote: |
But don't recite any doctrine
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Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, | Quote: |
that's why they don't want us reciting it.
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but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
When I speak of doctrines I'm talking about clear teachings in the Bible that say what they mean. If we all take a good look at the parable of the sower we will find at the very beginning of Jesus ministry He tells us that many will hear it but because of their different circumstances they will not hear it.
There was a well known evangelist who had a big TV ministry, he once made a statement concerning doctrine; we can probably through out the whole Bible and just keep John 3:16 its all we need anyway.
If that's the case, Why did God go to great lengths to preserve His Word over the centuries if He did not want to let us know what was going on?
If we go through the Epistles we find Paul spent a lot of time talking about the importance of doctrine. He told us men would turn from it in the last days because they don't love the truth and don't want to hear it.
Not reciting it as this man stated does not seem like it goes hand in hand with what Paul tells us in the Bible. If we're walking in the Spirit any talk, debate, or discussion concerning doctrine should not be a cause for alarm its only those who are sensitive to what they are doing that become offended. Why would it be offensive to a man of God who wants to do only what pleases the Lord? Paul says we will save ourselves and those who hear us!!
Gary
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