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| Revelation in mp3 form [message #5038] |
Wed, 04 February 2009 04:25  |
sincerely
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Hi,
Someone gave me the Revelation series by Chuck Missler. I was particularly interested in what he would say about Revelation 12. He says the woman is Israel & the manchild is Christ.
I do have Hobart Freeman's teaching on Revelation on tapes, but they are causing every tape player I have to chew up the tapes.
I remember him saying something like the only explanation that fits the whole word of God is the woman is the church & the manchild is the overcomers. I can't remember what he had to say about the sun & moon.
Would anyone who has Revelation as mp3's care to have a go at emailing them to me, please? I think it would have to be done singly. There may be a limit on the size of file attachments I can receive.
God bless,
sincerely (in Australia)
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #5041 is a reply to message #5038] |
Thu, 05 February 2009 10:54  |
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 mark1124
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Hi Sincerely,
I have those same Chuck Missler Revelation messages as well. Don't be surprised that he, as well as the general consensus is what Missler believes. I belief HEF and Joe Brenneman, current pastor of Faith Assembly, as well as other teachers affiliated with them, believe, for the most part, the very same thing.
I do not have a set of MP3's yet on Brother Freeman's Revelation series, but you can order them directly from the Faith Ministries and Publications website, if you wish. The website address is: http://faithmandp.com/home and you can order them that way. I believe that it will cost $3.00 per message.
I hope this helps.
God bless
Mark
Mark S. Scaliotti
"Faith is trusting God for all things, in all things, and through all things, no matter what."
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6376 is a reply to message #5044] |
Thu, 03 December 2009 05:47 |
sincerely
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A little bit off topic, but didn't want to start another one.
The time is coming when I have to downsize from 5 acres & lots of room to something I can manage.
I have just come to drawers of H F tapes where there are 120 tapes just in one drawer. I just can't keep them as their condition has wrecked my tape players. Maybe some are okay, but, on the whole, I really can't do anything with them. Almost thirty years is a long time for well-used tapes.
I really wish there was some way of transferring them to mp3 files. Wonder if anyone else is in the same predicament.
I don't think I would want to listen to them all again. Wonderful foundations were laid & we move to Manna new every morning, but they are very useful as reference material & Truth doesn't change.
We are seeming to be in a season of not knowing what our next step will be & can't make decisions without the Lord giving us clear direction & permission. It's like marking time at the moment. Can't afford to make a decision that will hold us from being ready for His Will (move). Interesting days.
Others are saying they feel like giving up, which, I feel, is a real test of what is in the heart. Self is being challenged.
God bless & don't give up.
sincerely (in Australia)
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6382 is a reply to message #6376] |
Thu, 03 December 2009 16:28 |
james
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| sincerely wrote on Wed, 02 December 2009 23:47 |
We are seeming to be in a season of not knowing what our next step will be & can't make decisions without the Lord giving us clear direction & permission. It's like marking time at the moment. Can't afford to make a decision that will hold us from being ready for His Will (move). Interesting days.
Others are saying they feel like giving up, which, I feel, is a real test of what is in the heart. Self is being challenged.
God bless & don't give up.
sincerely (in Australia)
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Sincerely,
As I was thinking about what you said this morning, I was reminded of my own experiences in 'the desert' over the last 20+ years. There have been many times where I not only felt like I was wandering in the desert, like unto Israel, but like I had wandered away from the group or tribe. So not only was I feeling like I was wandering around in a spiritual desert, I felt as though I was alone, in that desert. And yes, that is where what is in the heart is revealed; we can chose to try to find our way 'back to Egypt', or we can humble ourselves, repent of our murmurings and rebellion, and yeild and obey The Lord.
Thankfully, I have since found that I was not alone in that experience, and that The Lord, Who is rich in mercy, never abandoned us(He continued to feed, cloth, provide, protect, and love...just like He did with Israel.)
Thanks for the encouragement not to 'give up', and may The Lord give you wisdom and direction as you seek His will.
james
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6384 is a reply to message #6382] |
Fri, 04 December 2009 02:08 |
sincerely
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Greetings in Jesus' Name,
First, thanks for your replies. I became a little uncomfortable when I caught sight of the 400 odd views for one topic. It's not just a little group sharing our hearts. It is open for all to see.
William, I have so much trouble with my tape players I should just forget trying to convert to mp3. I just hate throwing out the tapes.
James, your reply is how I feel we should be interacting - with love, not pushing opinions, but with a real servant heart.
One of the greatest lessons I have learnt in my almost thirty years of going it alone regarding fellowship is that I am a nobody. It is not about me or my opinions. It is about being a bond-slave, servant, carer. I don't want my best. I want God's best for my life. I don't want to stand before the Lord & realize I hadn't been full-on in my relationship with Him. I am trying to be careful with my words because I have no ambition to be someone now or in eternity. It is about letting Christ reign & rule in me. Though, I still believe what we do here now determines our future in eternity.
My Mum used to say, "What's 70 years compared to eternity." I have had to remind myself of that through most of my life. Now, I am hearing people say,
"If I wasn't a Christian, I would do this or that." The drought or "desert" James mentions is bringing self to the surface. When the Lord doesn't move when we want Him to, when it looks like He doesn't care about our needs, when He allows us to be deprived of what we think we deserve, when there is no new teaching, project, leading, then, we grow impatient & decide to make things happen ourselves, even if it means going against the Lord & His Word.
Yes, I believe what is in the heart is being revealed, or that is what I am seeing in my family & friends.
Thanks, James for your sharing. I believe there are many like us who are trying to press on like Paul whatever the season.
Lastly, I believe the Lord wants a people to rejoice with Him in His move. We aren't to dread the coming season, but to embrace it knowing these things have to happen as His Word says. It is not about our comfort but His Glory & the bringing about of all things to an end as we know it.
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6386 is a reply to message #6385] |
Fri, 04 December 2009 14:31 |
james
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Sincerely,
I went back and read all your posts(about 20) in the ' A Different Perspective' thread back in the spring of 2007, very refreshing. I can see the 'sincerity' in your writtings, even if written with a 'down under' Aussie tone. (You should hear my southern drawl) 
In reading your posts(which seemed to be a testimony of your life and what was on your heart) it seemed you 'might' have felt like you weren't connecting with the members of the forum here in America, due to the sometimes lack of responses. I noticed you didn't post again for a couple of years, I hope you'll give it another chance and share more with us. Don't worry about how many people read this, just share what The Lord puts in your heart, and He'll take care of the rest. Not only can The Lord use us to minister encouragement to each other, He can use what we share to help others who read this in the future. Just like what you wrote in the spring of 2007 wasn't read by me until today, almost 3 years later...and I was blessed by it.
It's like William wrote back then, sometimes people get busy with work and family and don't have time to respond, or even read; but don't take that to mean people aren't reading ang being blessed. Many times in the last 8 months or so it's seemed like only 3 or 4 people were interested, but The Lord kept giving us things to share. It also keeps us connected and in fellowship with fellow believers, and for those of us who don't have an assembly or church to attend that means a lot. Even in a desert you can find an oasis, and for me, this forum, OvercomersOnline has been an oasis. Jesus is still the source of the water, but having christian brethren who care and share God's Word is a blessing.
I truly believe that God has/is/and will, use this forum to minister encouragement to His Body. We are in the end times and now is not the time for drawing back, but rather seeking His presence and abiding there...for it will only be those who have made The Lord their habitation who will be delivered in the days ahead. Ps.91
May The Lord bless,
G'day
james
[Updated on: Fri, 04 December 2009 19:54]
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6390 is a reply to message #6386] |
Sat, 05 December 2009 00:24 |
sincerely
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G'day James & all,
I just went back & skimmed through my posts & cringed a bit at how I wrote. Clear as mud in some places. Gift of the gab, not golden pen.
Back then, I felt that what we wrote was being analysed instead of being accepted as sharing our thoughts.
A lot has happened since my old posts. My husband died in April last year. I prayed for him for 39 years & saw opposition until the day he died.
HOWEVER, a nurse held his hand a few hours before he died & asked him did he want to give his heart to the Lord & he squeezed her hand. For the next four months I did not have the assurance of his salvation. I believed 99% that he was saved, but something he said after that squeeze threw me. My daughter said to me to ask God for assurance of his salvation, instead of me living with this doubt. I answered I know all the facts so how can the Lord tell me any more. Four months later, I was praying & said to the Lord that even if Des was not saved I would keep trusting Him. The next day, the Lord used a book I was reading to speak to me, sort of saying I was doubting all of His words (promises) spoken to me over the years. It was a loving reprimand, but took away all my doubt.
At the beginning of my husband's illness, the Lord said to me that this is a journey & I will never go back to life as it was. I had no idea I was going to lose my husband at that time.
The Lord told my daughter to come home to live before we knew of the illness. She has been with me ever since, but is planning to leave in March. I lost my purpose in life which was to be Des' wife & I have to wait upon the Lord every day for direction. There are heaps of things going on in my family; siblings barely surviving because of addictions, family choosing to divorce & remarry, or marry divorcees with children, struggling hurting people. It is like a battle. I just keep standing on His promise for the release of all my family to be whom He made us to be.
People get tired of me saying there is a drought, but I see it everywhere. It takes effort to press in to the Lord every morning, because there is no great feeling of getting anywhere. But, I know, that if I don't spend time with the Lord each day, I have lost what only that day had for me. By the way, I do talk to the Lord all day, even out loud, but I meant that quiet time with Him.
God bless.
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6391 is a reply to message #6390] |
Sat, 05 December 2009 04:35 |
sparkles
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Hello Sincerely,
First I want to say how sorry I am to hear of your lose. But I am very blessed to hear how God placed that nurse with your husband at that time to share with him about giving his life to the Lord. I have a 91 year old mother whose salvation I am believing for, so it encourages me to see different ways God has worked in peoples lives to see them saved. Thank you for sharing. I am sure your husband is now eternally grateful for you standing in faith for his salvation all those years.
"It is like a battle. I just keep standing on His promise for the release of all my family to be whom He made us to be."
Yes, it certainly is a battle, but one that you will win. And there is not better place to be standing on and believing in than the promises of God. All the promises of God are yes and amen in Christ Jesus. That is why your husband is with Jesus, and my mother is saved by faith.
"Back then, I felt that what we wrote was being analysed instead of being accepted as sharing our thoughts."
It isn't like that now. Even if some people may not see eye to eye on everything there is a respect and caring for each other. Some people that may have been harsh and critical are no longer on this site, which has made it a place where people can share without getting blasted and put down. We do desire to share the truth of the Word and also to expose errors and deceptions such as the Todd Bentley deception.
Well, it is getting late here, but probably the middle of the afternoon where you are. May God continue to bless you and give you His grace and peace. Thank you again for sharing, we are blessed to have you as a sister in Christ.
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6392 is a reply to message #5038] |
Sat, 05 December 2009 17:13 |
james
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| sincerely wrote on Tue, 03 February 2009 22:25 |
Someone gave me the Revelation series by Chuck Missler. I was particularly interested in what he would say about Revelation 12. He says the woman is Israel & the manchild is Christ.
I remember him(Bro. Freeman) saying something like the only explanation that fits the whole word of God is the woman is the church & the manchild is the overcomers. I can't remember what he had to say about the sun & moon.
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Hi Sincerely,
Sorry about the passing of your husband, but encouraged by the testimony of God's faithfulness to fullfill His promise to you. Having never experienced the death of a spouse, I can only offer prayers and encouragement. Whenever I find myself feeling like it's too hard or I can't do that which God has given me the opportunity to do, The Holy Spirit always raises that standard, God's Word, and reminds me that I can do ALL things through Christ, and that there's NO temptation taken me but that which is common to man, but that with EVERY temptation God will make a way of escape, because He is faithful. I Corth.10:13
There was a time when a lot of God's Word was memorized in my mind, and I could quote it when I tried. Then, through trial and tribulation(and God's wonderful Grace) there came a time when that same Word became alive within my heart and would flow up into my mind in whatever situation I encountered. If I needed wisdom, Proverbs would flood my thoughts; when Satan attacked, Eph.6 with a reminder of what my whole armour of God was; feeling condemned? Rom.8:1; alone and unloved? Rom.8:35-39 nothing shall be able to separate us from God's love, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
May The Lord Jesus give you comfort and peace as you seek His will for this season of your life.
As to what Bro. Freeman taught concerning Rev. 12 and the woman and the manchild, I believe he taught that the woman was and is the unbelieving institutional church, and that the manchild are the overcomers. GWB has recently posted the outline for Bro. Freeman's teaching of Revelation, which is helpful in doing a verse by verse study. I've been doing a somewhat limited study of just Rev.18 and Babylon and how America is a 'type' Babylon in this present time.(although I don't think America is THE Babylon that is depicted in Rev.18) I see America having to fall from power in order for God's plan to unfold and for 'The' Babylon to rise to world dominance; that is what (imo)is taking place now in America, we're declining in every aspect of our society.
God bless,
james
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Revelation in mp3 form [message #6394 is a reply to message #6392] |
Sun, 06 December 2009 02:48 |
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GWB
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Hey Sincerely,
I am so very sorry for your loss. I know that the feelings are very real, as far as, grief and having a broken heart.
Jesus has brought very many of us so very far since the FA days. I have not experienced the loss of a spouse, but I have lost many family members.
I was able to minister to my dying grandfather. He squeezed my hand too, as a sign, if you will. Tears were welling up and running down his face, even though he could not speak. God looks on the heart and I have full assurance your husband is with Jesus. He may even be wondering why he waited so long! I am not sure what happens on the other side, but I do know that you will not say, "I told you so!" will ya..?  
I have known brokenheartedness and could have seen my life as shattered at one time. Jesus only spoke words of encouragement to me over and over again: "Restoration, no condemnation." He is still whispering that in my ear when I need to hear it.
Also, while I was/am in the process of restoration and the new chapter He has for my life, I hear: "Just keep going." One step, one meal, one hour of the Word...just keep going. Soon, you will be able to look back and see His mighty faithfulness to keep you in time of trouble and how, "His gentleness has made me great."
Yep, the feelings are there, but we can be assured that as we hold onto Him, He will meet us everyday, every step of the way. I know, from personal experience, that when I chose to believe again--my one step at a time has produced a new and full life that I would have never dreamed of in those dark hours of hurt and sorrow.
He has a future purpose and plan for your life; a wonderful hope for "something new." Jer. 29:11-14, Lam. 3:22-24.
As of tonight, I am praying daily for your sorrow to be turned into dancing for you...it usually takes time to heal...and it is OK to cry; Jesus did.
As far as family members....let's not go there! The only thing I know is that He is faithful...and His delivering powers are mighty to behold! 
I would suggest something that really encourages me. I typed out the Revelation outline that was provided and written by Dr. Freeman. It is in the New Testament Theology thread.
While typing the outline, I realized how He is working in this end-time, and how it might/will take a whole lot to crack some of the shells we are believing for. I think you might come from despair, in believing for your family to, "Lord, have mercy in the process of you saving them!" 
Dr. Freeman mentions salvation of our loved ones in the outline. It is a real blessing. If you are so led, get back with us and share, on occasion, what He shows you about Revelation and what people are going to experience...it ain't goin' to be pretty.
It isn't about being exactly correct, concerning what you remember and every jot and tittle of the Word. (Don't get me wrong, doctrine is very important) It is about keeping our hearts pure before Him and trusting Him to do that good work in us. It is about concepts to help us walk upon this earth that is not so friendly sometimes. It is also about knowing that He led you to a place where there are real people who heard what you heard, years ago in a corn field; people who have/do hurt and find very long arms from years ago to hold you steady when you may be struggling.
We are here, every step of the way, whenever you want to drop by and share daily struggles and victories. Body ministry...you just can't beat it!
Blessings,
GWB
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