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 Marilyn Crow
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Hi William,
So glad you have been encouraged too. Wow & more wow.
Did I mention this great video which teaches discernment concerning these things. The speaker shows a video clip & then teaches how what was seen is not scriptural. I knew it, but he gives clarity to our understanding.
It is `A Kundalini spirit in church leaders,` by Brian Young.
Blessings, Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #12151 is a reply to message #12145] |
Wed, 07 December 2016 11:41 |
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Gary
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| james wrote on Tue, 06 December 2016 15:09 |
| Gary wrote on Sun, 04 December 2016 09:53 |
There it is in plain English. When sharing with someone concerning the Baptism, it says: And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
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Is it possible that the problem with certain scriptures which we can't seem to fully grasp is because the translators in translating from the available Greek/Aramaic manuscripts didn't translate it correctly? I'm sure not a scholar, nor have I had the opportunity to see the documents used, but I've been told that the available writings used by Wycliffe and Tyndale weren't as complete as that available 400 years later.(Dead Sea Scrolls hadn't been discovered yet) Some scholars today say that certain of the Dead Sea Scrolls are much older that what Tyndale used to complete the first English Bible. Several translations state that Mark 16:9-20 isn't found in those older copies of manuscripts, along with other passages.
I don't know, but if it's true that the English translation by Tyndale, which is from 65% to 90% word for word found in the King James, and the manuscripts he had available were several hundred years newer than the Dead Sea Scrolls, then it just seems like the older manuscripts would be closer to the original language used and translated, and thereby more accurate.
Just something to think about, not trying to be labeled a heretic or come against the KJV (which is the bible I use).
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James,
I don't know much concerning the original translations, but it would appear they would be the most accurate. It's hard to believe that someone down through history just decided to add verses to Mark 16:, but you never know.
The other gospels don't give this information (taking up serpents and drinking poison), that Jesus quoted before He ascended. You would think if anyone was there present whatever His parting words were, that they would accurately record them.
Those verses are a bit of a mystery for sure.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #12152 is a reply to message #12151] |
Wed, 07 December 2016 21:00 |
james
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The other gospels don't give this information (taking up serpents and drinking poison), that Jesus quoted before He ascended. You would think if anyone was there present whatever His parting words were, that they would accurately record them.
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Remember there are several things that are only written about by one of the writers. Matthew is the only one who mentioned Jesus being taken to Egypt until Herod had died. One traced Jesus' genealogy from Abraham forward unto Jesus (Matthew) and another went from Jesus backwards to Adam (Luke). Mark has accounts of Jesus mentioned by none of the other three. John delivers unto us the 'meat' of the message, not even going into the birth and early years of Jesus. But reading all four together gives us exactly what knowledge and information God wants us to have and everything necessary unto salvation and a relationship with Him through Jesus. He gives good news, The Gospel.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #12153 is a reply to message #12152] |
Thu, 08 December 2016 16:34 |
Mark L
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| james wrote on Wed, 07 December 2016 16:00 |
Remember there are several things that are only written about by one of the writers. . . But reading all four together gives us exactly what knowledge and information God wants us to have . . .
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Thats a good point James.
I bookmarked that Last Reformation movie & the Kundalini one. I'll catch them later when I have time.
William that is quite q pic of your brother. I should look for something like that for a profile pic here. 
My take on serpents and poison is this. I think it is just the KJV way of saying God will protect us. There was a bro from FA (can't remember his name) who ministered in Belize. He was up in our church here once and told of one of his kids there stepping right on a poisonous snake. The snake didn't do anything. Another situation of a minister I know on his way up here once someone put poison in his food. He had to overcome it a bit but came to no harm.
I think it means God will simply protect us. It says that everywhere else in the word. In this passage it is just a little more specific.
[Updated on: Thu, 08 December 2016 16:35]
You can read
"Meanderings on Scripture by Mark
https://mlederman.substack.com/
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #12164 is a reply to message #12153] |
Sat, 17 December 2016 13:47 |
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Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
I ran across an interesting statement in Luke's gospel, it made me think maybe there is more here then what anyone has realized.
In Luke's gospel we find Jesus telling us:
Luke 10:18-20
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
This verse sheds a little light concerning having authority to trample on serpents and scorpions. He is referring to the comment made by the disciples returning from going out into the world around them to minister:
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
Jesus is clearly tying in deliverance to this statement; I give you authority to trample on serpents. In Mark's gospel were told they will take up serpents, but it does say before this that they will cast out demons. Somehow I believe taking up serpents and casting out demons are tied together.
The people in this world are bound with sin, involved in the occult and because of this have open doors to the powers of darkness. All mankind is plagued with the demonic realm working against them. In Christ we are delivered from sin by the shedding of His Blood at Calvary and we have been given authority over the demonic realm, but there is still a war going on in the heavenlies.
In this modern world of technology in which we find ourselves we must not forget that there are entities trying to destroy what God has done. There is a war being waged in the spirit realm.
Ephesians 6:12
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
It says; the rulers of the "darkness" of this age, against spiritual "hosts" of wickedness etc.
I'm not ruling out anything anyone shared here concerning this subject, but trying to make some clear sense of the statement given in Mark's gospel. In other words; taking up serpents may be dealing with deliverance and the demonic realm. I also think that the drinking any deadly thing in Mark and the reference in Luke concerning with "nothing shall by any means hurt you", has something to do with this same line of thinking.
I realize DawgDriver mentions this is all yet future to be fulfilled and I believe what he said, is possible. But this verse, in the context it was written, says; 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: Believers in our present time are told this will follow their ministries.
In order to come to some conclusion with being able to witness to believers, who do not have the Baptism with speaking with tongues, I don't know if we tell them that this verse is for the future, will win them over to wanting to receive this experience. This would be the perfect division of interpretation (for them), tongues is for the past, taking up serpents is for the future.
I'm sure all scripture was given so those who have eyes to see and hears to hear can understand what the Lord intended for His people. There may be hidden mysteries in scriptures that will be revealed as the end times unfolds, concerning Revelations, some prophecies and parables. But God has told us that the Holy Spirit will lead and guide us into all truth.
While Jesus walked on the earth, in a number of places in scripture we see where, He is talking with His disciples and it says; they did not understand, it wasn't till the Lord opened their understanding was they able to perceive what He meant.
Luke 24:45
And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
John 14:22-24
22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
Proverbs 7:1
My son, keep my words, And treasure my commands within you.
So we find that in Mark's gospel the statement:
17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
What a wonderful treasure, we have in Gods Word.
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #12199 is a reply to message #12197] |
Sat, 21 January 2017 16:43 |
james
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With the 24/7 coverage by all types media outlets available today, anyone with almost any type of communication device can be exposed to what seems like more, but I don't think what's going on today is that much more than the late 60's and early 70's. People still wanting to live like they want without any regards to God's Word. Boycotts and protests were popular back then (remember the Montgomery bus boycotts of the late 50's <Rosa Parks>?); and the left wing activist, Hollywood liberals, and politicians who boycotted the Presidential inauguration yesterday remind me of the same.
It does seem like one 'side' is much more active in rebelling against the elected officials. I don't recall the 'conservatives' knocking out windows and burning stuff when the other party was elected for 8 years.
Anyway, back to what the Gospel say, we've all got to answer for our decisions in life...praise God for His Grace and Mercy.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #13084 is a reply to message #12199] |
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I wanted to share here about the Memorial mentioned by Jesus who said wherever the gospel would be preached that this woman would be mentioned.
Someone asked me a while back about these passages so I started to looking at all four accounts and it was like a puzzle I had to piece together. In the process I came up with some information that I never really heard anyone out there preach on, at least I had never considered it.
Anyway I'm going to share the four accounts and then come to my conclusions of what I think happened here. Hopefully this won't sound to far fetched.
We start off with Matthews gospel:
Mat 26:6 Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,
Mat 26:7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
Mat 26:8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
Mat 26:9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
Mat 26:10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
Mat 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Mat 26:12 For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial.
Mat 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.
Mat 26:14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
Mat 26:15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
Mat 26:16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
We start off and find that they were at the house of Simon the Leper. These passages shows that the disciples were indignant, and it tells us that Judas went out at that point to betray the Lord.
In Mark's gospel the account seems similar with some additional details:
Mar 14:3 And being in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, as he sat at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of spikenard very precious; and she brake the box, and poured it on his head.
Mar 14:4 And there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said, Why was this waste of the ointment made?
Mar 14:5 For it might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and have been given to the poor. And they murmured against her.
Mar 14:6 And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me.
Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
Mar 14:8 She hath done what she could: she is come aforehand to anoint my body to the burying.
Mar 14:9 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached throughout the whole world, this also that she hath done shall be spoken of for a memorial of her.
Mar 14:10 And Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went unto the chief priests, to betray him unto them.
Mar 14:11 And when they heard it, they were glad, and promised to give him money. And he sought how he might conveniently betray him.
Some were indignant, but we see someone was quite vocal to the Lord, saying that they could of made some money here and given it to the poor. Obviously this would appear as being spiritual having concern for the poor.
The gospel of Luke we are given further details on this event:
I was confused a little here because in Luke 7:11 it shows they were entering the city of Nain. Nain is roughly 20 miles away from Bethany, so I thought that maybe this could of been a different account with another woman anointing Jesus with the fragrant oil. Just a casual reading of the account it shows the Lord went into Nain then shortly after He ministered to some people, He was invited to eat at one of the Pharisees home. We find out here that this was Simon the Pharisee. Another reason to think this was a different woman that was anointing Jesus with the fragrant oil. Then after comparing all the accounts concerning locations; that in this gospel Luke did not show that the Lord went back to Bethany.
Luke 7:11 and Luke 7:36-50
Luke 7:11 And it came to pass the day after, that he went into a city called Nain; and many of his disciples went with him, and much people.
Luke 7:36 And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.
Luke 7:37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,
Luke 7:38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.
Luke 7:39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.
Luke 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
Luke 7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
Luke 7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Luke 7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
Luke 7:44 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
Luke 7:45 Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
Luke 7:46 My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
Luke 7:48 And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
Luke 7:49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
It's interesting to note that Jesus by the Spirit knew the thoughts of the Pharisee.
Finally we have John's gospel in John 12:1-7 we see further revelation of what took place:
John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
John 12:2 There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
John 12:3 Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odor of the ointment.
John 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
John 12:5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
John 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
John 12:7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
John 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
John tells us that Judas was the one who was vocal and complained, the reason; because he was stealing from the money box not because he was concerned about the poor.
In Conclusion, here is what took place:
Simon the leper and Simon the Pharisee were the same person that invited Jesus to his house. We are also told "Simon" was the father of Judas Iscariot, who we would assume was raised in the Pharisee sect. Judas who was trying to appear spiritual before everybody, acted like he was wanting to help the poor, but he was offended when Jesus said: Let her alone she is doing this for my burial, the poor you have with you always. All along he was taking money from the money box and was stealing the offerings. Then we see he immediately goes to the chief priests to betray the Lord. This is; more background on why he chose to betray the Lord, he did not just decide one day out of the blue, that he would go to the chief priests. He was living a double standard all along.
No matter how we appear to others, what is important, in the final analysis is how do we appear in our hearts before the Lord. It's amazing that God knows all our thoughts there is nothing hidden from the Lord. We are an open book to the Lord. Why then should we love our neighbors, and forgive everybody as we have been forgiven, it's because this is how God is all merciful and forgiving. I once heard a minister from our group say that he thought in heaven we would all be one and would know each others thoughts. I believe that as well but we will find out that when we get there.
The disciples of Jesus came down to the very end and did not know what was going on in their small group, when Jesus said, someone tonight is going to betray me, each disciple said, "Is it I". They must of been totally shocked at the outcome, when Jesus was crucified and betrayed by one of their own.
In Him,
Gary
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