I have heard some people going on and on how the government is not going to tell them what to do. But they say wear seat belts we wear seat belts, they say get insurance on your vehicles, we get insurance on our vehicles. There's dozens of areas where were told by the government to do something and we do it or face the consequences of the law.

[b]Thirdly, why are we worried about catching or spreading a disease that Jesus died for?[b/] Sure, we ought to be considerate to our neighbors in the world and not cause them any consternation by keeping our distance, but if the called-out-to-be-gathered-together-ones can be brow-beaten and imprisoned for 'obeying-God-rather-than-men' then I think we are at the bottom of the slope.

Just think about it, the authorities are letting people out of prison so as to not endanger the lives of those convicted of a crime, and then turning around and putting people in prison for exercising their faith???

We need to decide who our enemy is here.

Is it really those pastors and 'knuckle-heads'(I've heard them use that term) that want to continue to meet together and worship God?

Or is it the heads of nations that lie in the hands of the wicked one, the governmental authorities?

Or going one step further, is it the one "god" in the world that hasn't been toppled? (Sports, entertainment, etc., have all been forced into submission.) Is it the medical science deity?

I must seem pretty foolish here talking about something that I myself haven't been doing. I'm only doing half of the Church thing... called out, but not gathered together. Whether that blunts this post you be the judge, but one thing is for sure, I'm not going to be criticizing those who defy the two authorities (gods) that are right now vying with each other for top billing... viz., those that govern the economy vs those MDs that are demanding that they are in charge.

Blessings,
William

I Peter 2:13-17 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. For this is the Will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men- as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bond servants of God. Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

I thought we were told in Romans 13 and I Peter 2 to obey our government leaders and to pray for them I Timothy 2. Weren't we taught to obey unless the rules/laws/mandates contradicted God's instructions for believers?

I'm I missing something here? God builds the Church, Jesus dies for the Church, and the governing authorities say "stay home" you cannot gather with other believers as the Church, and our response is: "okay, we submit?" Never mind the going into all the world stuff.

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I'm I missing something here? God builds the Church, Jesus dies for the Church, and the governing authorities say "stay home" you cannot gather with other believers as the Church, and our response is: "okay, we submit?" Never mind the going into all the world stuff.

Gary: William the situation is; this is not the first time this has happened in America. That is People being asked to stay at home because of the plague sweeping the country at other times in our history as a nation. It's happened before: Churches were shut down, schools were all closed, the economy came to a halt. After the plague was over and under control, everything went back to normal.

If what your stating is true were all going into some type of socialism that Christians will be persecuted like in China. The government will be in complete control, all the liberals will take everything over, etc..

Sure God gave great favor to Daniel and the three Hebrew children in preserving and delivering them. But we don't see Daniel and the three Hebrew children going back to Jerusalem protesting the Kings that were running the country. In fact even though they were persecuted by people in Babylon they still submitted to the different Kings ruling over them.

I don't see your point using them as an example when we see they submitted to each different King that ruled Babylon.

This is all speculation and we do not know that it will come to this. There's been a lot of people on the internet worked up over nothing.

Someone today sent me an audio recording all concerned and asked my opinion. In the audio the guy was saying it was because the government was testing out a powerful 5g system that it was causing the virus. You should of heard the tape it was complete nonsense, the guy was quoting scriptures like he was the final authority on the Bible. What he said on the Bible for the most part was correct, then he mentions when the anti-christ comes in power he was working on a money system that Christians could use to buy and sell.

When I looked up information on the guy he was heavy in the occult, telepathy, clairvoyant, etc. An obvious new ager. Here a Christian could not recognize this guy was fake.

Unless the Lord has given direct revelation I don't think we can go by speculation and presume something of this nature, is going to happen on this earth, is all I'm saying here.

Unless the Lord has given direct revelation I don't think we can go by speculation and presume something of this nature, is going to happen on this earth, is all I'm saying here.

So William when are you going to start a zoom account to preach the word.
Just giving my thoughts.

Blessing from Ken to the scattered Saints.

Right now the Christian church has not been shut down, just large gatherings.
The word says where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name I am in the midst. Priscilla and Aquila had a house church I Corinthians 16:19.
A Christian can still worship, Pray, preach the word just not in large gatherings.
Unlike China which does not allow any of that. But they still thrive and are strong.
A Church is not a building, if a pastor feels he needs to give a message he can use zoom and record. The only thing missing maybe the rock bands.
God can still anoint the message.
Eventually the church will be like the books of acts when everyone was scattered but the still broke bread and read the word from their homes.

Ken Wrote: Let's reset. I've asked a very basic question: How far does our submission to governmental authority go?

I think submission will be choice like do we discipline our children in love and obey God or follow man's philosophy.
That can be a choice we obey God and go to jail or we raise our children like the world and hope for the best.
God has given us examples like Meshach, Shadrach and Abednego, were tested either bow to the idol or die.
Which will be replicated when the man of sin sets up his idle.
Or Daniel was cast in the den of Lion's for praying.
And of course the disciples were told not to preach in Jesus name or they would face punishment.
I know we have to obey authority in all things.
But I personally would not take any mark or embedded chip.
I don't think they will be able to physically force it on us but we may be given a choice, if you don't take the mark you won't be able to work.

Then it will come down to choice take the mark or trust the Lord to provide our needs.
Just like the Israelite's were tested in the wilderness, our faith will be tested.
That is why we need to be grounded in the word now, so we will be like the wise virgin's.

He will not fail us or forsake us.
Ken

As I understand it the mark is yoked with worship of the image of the beast. The things that are going on today though should make us wary of what is to come. If it does come to a some sort of forcing people to take the vaccine (and that might not be far off) just look at how quick this came to be... if you had said even a year ago that what we've experienced was coming it would have seemed like a fairy tale!

Blessings,
William

I remember my thoughts back in early March when I joined Face Book and was reading the conspiracy posts, I put some of my thoughts on here and started this thread. Man! So much has came to pass in the last nine months that we discussed back in April. Now the vaccine is becoming available, and the marching out of political figures to be inoculated publicly in order to convince the general population that it's OK to take and it's safe. How can we know if it's safe without waiting and allowing time to reveal whether or not that's true.
How long before we hear that because the first one released wasn't kept at the subzero temp it didn't work with some folks and the side effects are a results of that error.

I do know it's a very serious virus, I've had at least one client die from Covid 19, a classmate, and several others I personally knew. I've had family members who have tested positive, thankfully they've survived it.

I don't look forward to tax season (just a couple weeks away), the daily encounters with clients and cleaning, wiping surfaces, spraying, washing, ect. gets old, plus I'm concerned the IRS will extend the season til July again this year, it make for long days. But I do believe The Lord will sustain me in the midst of whatever comes.