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| william wrote on Wed, 09 April 2014 11:11 |
| james wrote on Wed, 09 April 2014 08:21 |
Maybe our resident theologian, William can offer some thoughts...when he gets time. 
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I was once a theologian <grin> but as time goes by I realize just how far from that I am. The more you learn, the more you realize just how little you know!
Anyway, if I'm remembering correctly, I heard that this prophet was considered the one mentioned in Deut 18:15. He's also mentioned in Acts 3:22 and Acts 7:37.
I think the Jews considered this prophet to be someone other than the Messiah which is why they questioned John specifically on this point as well as to whether he was the Christ or Elijah.
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Thanks for sharing these scriptures. I think after looking at everything in context the scriptures imply this Prophet is "Jesus".
At least that's my interpretation.
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Acts 7:35-38
35 “This Moses whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?’ [a] is the one God sent to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the Angel who appeared to him in the bush. 36 He brought them out, after he had shown wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
Israel Rebels Against God
37 “This is that Moses who said to the children of Israel, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear.’
38 “This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,
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Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11109 is a reply to message #11000] |
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14 And when they had come to the multitude, a man came to Him, kneeling down to Him and saying, 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic and suffers severely; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. 16 So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure him.”
17 Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I bear with you? Bring him here to Me.” 18 And Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of him; and the child was cured from that very hour.
19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?”
20 So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. 21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.”
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What a powerful promise from God. Jesus says; "assuredly".
We can be assured that if Jesus tells us something it is for us as believers.
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11288 is a reply to message #11287] |
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Amen!(John 3:17)
I was reading in John chapter eight this morning where Jesus had told the woman to "...go, and sin no more", and as He spoke to them concerning who He was, many believed on Him (V30). Then He said this in verses thirty and thirty one..." If ye continue in My Word, then ye are My disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
Continuing in God's Word is vital, it's how He reveals Himself unto us and it's how we are set free, through the knowledge [of Him] found in His Word. My daily Bible reading has me in the Psalms and I'm at Psalms 119. I could copy the whole chapter because it's that good, but here are a few verses that reflect the importance of God's Word...and the importance of getting It into our hearts.
"Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to Thy Word." V9
"Thy Word have I hid in mine heart, that I may not sin against Thee." V11
"I will delight myself in Thy statues: I will not forget Thy Word." V16
I counted 15 times where we're told to seek/obey/follow this Word with our whole hearts/hearts ; then as I went through the chapter I decided to count the number of times 'The Word' is mentioned...Thy Word, Thy Law, Thy commandments, Thy statues, Thy precepts, Thy testimonies, Thy mercies, ect. were mentioned over 175 times. The importance of God's Word/Words cannot be stressed enough, it's the only way to know The Truth and the way God has ordained for us to be set free. Faith to believe upon Jesus comes from God (Eph.2:8-9), we know it's a free gift(Grace), but in order for this to happen God has ordained the preaching of His Word...to reveal His plan of salvation, restoration, and reconcilation of man unto Him.
We, as followers of Christ(disciples) must have this Word in our hearts to be able to walk in freedom ourselves as well as to go and make disciples of others. It's through the power of God's spoken Word...we're to meditate upon It both day and night, It's our life, we're to follow It with our whole hearts, continually.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11289 is a reply to message #11288] |
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James wrote: I was reading in John chapter eight this morning where Jesus had told the woman to "...go, and sin no more", and as He spoke to them concerning who He was, many believed on Him (V30). Then He said this in verses thirty and thirty one...
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I was thinking recently about this woman here. An angry mob comes up ready to stone this gal and tells Jesus, she was caught in the very act of adultery. Jesus stoops to the ground and writes something in the dust.
If you picture this scenario, you can see the anger here, they wanted to deal with this sin in someones life.
My thought was, these guys were wanting to deal with this but then I realized, Where's the man? They bring the woman to Jesus but why not bring the man as well.
Either way they were ready to destroy someones life.
The best any of us can do is strive to personally follow and "continue" in what Jesus was trying to teach His followers by His example.
He did not come to the earth to destroy us but to save us. While its tempting to want to call down lighting at times on others, learning what spirit we are "of" is a constant challenge. That's why I think its expedient that we keep our minds and lives filled with His Words.
You made a good point there!
Lord Bless,
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11502 is a reply to message #11289] |
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Luke 13:22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”
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This sounds like a good question. Lord are there few who are saved? Jesus tells this man to Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Will this is interesting because "many people" will be seeking to enter but will not be able. Who is this many?
I think Jesus tells us in verse 27, when He states: Depart from me you workers of iniquity.
What is iniquity?
noun, plural iniquities.
1.
gross injustice or wickedness.
2.
a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.
Many today seek to enter in the narrow gate but justify sin and look the other way, Jesus will one day say, Depart from me I never knew you. Many today are opening their doors to fornication, adultery, sodomy and then making excuses why they allow these people in their congregations.
One more thing Jesus told His disciple to "strive" to enter in.
What is it to strive?
Strive: verb (used without object),
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to exert oneself vigorously; try hard:
He strove to make himself understood.
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to make strenuous efforts toward any goal:
to strive for success.
3.
to contend in opposition, battle, or any conflict; compete.
4.
to struggle vigorously, as in opposition or resistance:
to strive against fate.
To Strive is to put forth an effort at the goal you have set before you.
I don't think Jesus minced words when talking about the Kingdom of God. With everything moving quickly on the world scene its easy to fall into the world's agenda and follow the crowds. Who wants to be different or the odd ball in the crowd?
Let us all, "always" remember that the day of the Lord is approaching quickly. Its closer then what we realize. Even so Come quickly Lord Jesus.
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11604 is a reply to message #11502] |
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I got off track when I set myself to sharing from the Gospels. First when I looked on the four different accounts of what took place it became harder to get some direction because I kept wanting to look at all the Gospels then compare it or blend it into one narrative. I'll at this point make a feeble attempt to resume where I left off hopefully avoiding the pitfall of straying away from the subject matter.
While reading the four gospels which I at this point in time persist on doing, I have found there are certain characters that leap out of the pages of history and leave a mark on the church from the beginning since they were first written down by the Apostles.
Right off the bat we are introduced to John who later is given the name of John the Baptist. At the beginning, before his birth his parents are given instructions concerning this child and the circumstances are given on how he was introduced to his future parents.
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5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. 7 But they had no child, because Elizabeth was barren, and they were both well advanced in years.
8 So it was, that while he was serving as priest before God in the order of his division, 9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot fell to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. 10 And the whole multitude of the people was praying outside at the hour of incense. 11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing on the right side of the altar of incense. 12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said to him, “Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your prayer is heard; and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb. 16 And he will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. 17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”
18 And Zacharias said to the angel, “How shall I know this? For I am an old man, and my wife is well advanced in years.”
19 And the angel answered and said to him, “I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and was sent to speak to you and bring you these glad tidings. 20 But behold, you will be mute and not able to speak until the day these things take place, because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their own time.”
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Zacharias and Elizabeth are said to be righteous people walking in the commandments of the Lord. The Angel goes on to tell Zacharias that John will be great in the sight of the Lord, he will not drink wine or strong drink, he will be filled with the Spirit even from the time he was in the womb and that he would turn the people to be ready and prepared for the Lord.
At the birth of John we see Zacharias prophecy that:
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“And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Highest;
For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare His ways,
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To give knowledge of salvation to His people
By the remission of their sins,
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Through the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Dayspring from on high has visited us;
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To give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.”
80 So the child grew and became strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his manifestation to Israel.
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Were then told that John will go before the Lord to prepare His ways and give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death.
John grew and became strong in the spirit and was in the desert till the day of his manifestation.
What is amazing is that John spent 30 years preparing for a ministry that only lasted a few months. It would seem like a long time to wait and then when your ministry gets started your immediately put to death and it ends swiftly. Everyone heard about what was taking place from the common man, the religious leaders, and even the local government.
Most today spend very little time preparing (if your consider a few years in a seminary) and then go out and make a lifetime career of ministry. Without all the modern day technology John has quite an impact on a large number of people in this nation of Israel. Like the old saying goes: Word travels fast.
When John came forth and started baptizing people and telling people to repent, his ministry at that point did not set well with the established religious practices of that day and time.
Here was something new that had never taken place before a man in the wilderness baptizing people?
God can impact a people anyway He chooses and as it was discussed in another thread, It is possible for God to do a new work that most are unaware of. Mankind is very limited in our understanding of being able to see what our Creator can do. As created beings we have to let God be "God".
Here John was preparing in the wilderness all these years but one day the Word of the Lord came to John.
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3 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, 2 while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. 3 And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying:
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.
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Every valley shall be filled
And every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight
And the rough ways smooth;
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And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.’”
John Preaches to the People
7 Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 9 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”
10 So the people asked him, saying, “What shall we do then?”
11 He answered and said to them, “He who has two tunics, let him give to him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise.”
12 Then tax collectors also came to be baptized, and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?”
13 And he said to them, “Collect no more than what is appointed for you.”
14 Likewise the soldiers asked him, saying, “And what shall we do?”
So he said to them, “Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages.”
15 Now as the people were in expectation, and all reasoned in their hearts about John, whether he was the Christ or not, 16 John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”
18 And with many other exhortations he preached to the people. 19 But Herod the tetrarch, being rebuked by him concerning Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, 20 also added this, above all, that he shut John up in prison.
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John then goes forth and preaches repentance. We see in Luke's gospel that John calls the people a "brood of vipers", and warns them to repent from their sins and sinful lifestyle. John would not set very well in today's society. I cannot see him making excuses for peoples sins.
After being baptized several groups of people ask him the question; What shall we do?
He tells one group, share with the poor, or give of your clothes and food, second group, be honest or don't charge more then what you should charge, and to the third group, not to whine about your wages or don't intimidate others or accuse others falsely.
John is sharing knowledge on how they should conduct themselves in the present world.
Were not given all the details but somehow John comes in contact with Herod. He's on the banks of a river baptizing people and then somehow ends up talking with one of the local government leaders. His conversation ends up costing him life eventually.
Herod's wife becomes greatly offended at Johns statement that it was unlawful for Herod to be married to her because it was his brothers wife. Jesus said that she that is married and goes and marries another is living in adultery while she is alive and he that marries her is also living in adultery. The Lord may be referring to this situation but scripture does not go into detail in this matter. Either way Herod's wife was offended and Herod was offended but because he feared the people he eventually put John in prison but was afraid to have him put to death.
The one thing about the Gospels is that we can see some behind the scenes situations and we can know what some are thinking and what their reaction is to the message being brought forth. Sin is offensive to those who choose to follow its path. They don't want to hear it and they don't even want anyone talking about it.
To be continued,
Gary
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When most in our modern day society think of the ministry of Prophet, a measure of grandeur comes to mind. Someone with the power and anointing, able to predict future events, coming with dreams and visions, etc. etc.. While there should be a measure of respect for all of the ministry, the ministry of the prophet was never to be put on a pedestal.
When we look in the Old Testament the worldly generally hated the appearance of the prophet. Even in the New Testament, when the two prophets are slain, what does the world do, they go on shopping sprees buying gifts and celebrating while the two bodies of the prophets are rotting in the streets. No one even takes the time to bury these men. This is outstanding that they would not even bury the dead.
There must of been a huge amount of animosity towards these men.
A lot of people desire the ministry of a prophet, because they look upon it as someone walking in power, while performing signs and wonders.
Jesus said: For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
John was a prophet and more then a prophet and we see him giving his life for the Kingdom. John was not great because of some signs and wonder ministry. John did what God called him to do but even then the least person in the kingdom of God is greater then John.
The Kingdom of God is not about signs and wonders, because Jesus tells us that an adulterous generation seeks after signs and wonders.
When John baptized Jesus he saw the Spirit descending like a dove, a voice from heaven saying this is my beloved Son. Later in his ministry he must of been wrestling with thoughts in his mind because we see him sending his disciples wanting to know if Jesus was the coming one.
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19 And John, calling two of his disciples to him, sent them to Jesus, saying, “Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?”
20 When the men had come to Him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to You, saying, ‘Are You the Coming One, or do we look for another?’” 21 And that very hour He cured many of infirmities, afflictions, and evil spirits; and to many blind He gave sight.
22 Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the gospel preached to them. 23 And blessed is he who is not offended because of Me.”
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This is an interesting statement; Why was John sending his disciples asking this type of question after all that he had seen?
One last thing, we can see the Pharisees who have rejected the "Will of God" and refused to be baptized with Johns baptism.
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29 And when all the people heard Him, even the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.
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In contrast God's sheep do hear His voice and are willing to go the route the Lord has ordained.
While the world sees Christianity as a foolish religion, God says that the fool has said in his heart there is no God. Straight is the gate and narrow is the way and few there be who find it.
Psalm 118:22
The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
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This was the Lord’s doing;
It is marvelous in our eyes.
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This is the day the Lord has made;
We will rejoice and be glad in it.
Luke 20:17
Then He looked at them and said, “What then is this that is written: ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone’?
I Peter 2:7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”
Gary
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11606 is a reply to message #11604] |
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| Gary wrote on Fri, 19 June 2015 05:06 |
I got off track when I set myself to sharing from the Gospels. First when I looked on the four different accounts of what took place it became harder to get some direction because I kept wanting to look at all the Gospels then compare it or blend it into one narrative. I'll at this point make a feeble attempt to resume where I left off hopefully avoiding the pitfall of straying away from the subject matter.
While reading the four gospels which I at this point in time persist on doing,
To be continued,
Gary
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My daily reading has me starting the NT again, so today I am in Matthew chapter one. Maybe since I'm reading them through again I can give more time and thought to your thoughts on it...if we can get on the 'same page', so to speak. <grin>
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Hi Gary & James,
I have been reading your interesting notes & wondered if I could join in & follow the readings too? These notes are from Charles J. Rolls a renowned Bible teacher for his encyclopedic knowledge of scripture & radiant devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ.
KING: Matthew
Matthew depicts Christ as the kinsman - king based on –
` God tells Moses, `You shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses, one from among your countrymen....` (Deut.17:15)
Matthew 1:1 shows Christ`s genealogy from –
`son of Abraham` - therefore a countryman of Israel
`son of David` - therefore from the kingly tribe.
Matthew 2:6 quotes the prophet Micah confirming that Bethlehem is the town where –
`from you (Bethlehem) One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.` (Mic.5:2)
The wise men came to worship the `King of the Jews.` (Matt.2:1 & 2)
And God, Himself Anointed Him with the Spirit saying, `This is My Son, the Beloved.` (Matt.3: 17)
When the High Priest asked Jesus –
`Tell us whether You are the Christ, (Messiah / King) the Son of God.`
Jesus says, `You have said it yourself..` (Matt. 26:63 & 64)
Then Jesus being Israel`s King, reminds the people that the kingdom which God promised them is, the Kingdom of Heaven, the Messiah`s rule through Israel from the heavenlies. (Matt. 13)
Finally when Jesus, as King, commissions His disciples He says,
`All authority has been given to Me in heaven & on earth.` (Matt. 28: 18)
(These notes are from Charles J. Rolls a well renowned bible teacher from the last century. He is well known for his encyclopedic knowledge of Scripture & his radiant devotion to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
Blessings in Christ, Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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Since you mention Christs' Kingship, Marilyn, I just finished Revelation and how much plainer could it be put than this?
"And He hath on His vesture and on His thing a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."Rev. 19:16
Yes, He is King over all the earth and Lord of all......and that He would come as a humble servant and sacrifice His life so all that would believe upon Him might have life eternal, emptying Himself of all that He had with The Father to redeem fallen man? Humbling feeling...."Amazing Grace"....
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Mary of Bethany (sister of Lazarus and Martha) anointed the feet of Jesus on one occasion in Bethany. John 12:3
There is in Luke a account of Jesus being anointed by a woman who wasn't named except to say she was a sinner and that this happened in the house of a Pharisee (Simon), which also was in Bethany(I think). Mary, like us all was a sinner, so maybe it was her in both accounts. But Mark and Matthew says anointed the head, whereas Luke and John tell of His feet being anointed. So maybe it was two different women at two different times. [Luke 7:36-38] also see: Matt. 26:6-13 and Mk.14:3-9
I don't think it was Mary Magdalene, but it could have been...btw: Many think Mary Magdalene was a prostitute before meeting Jesus, I don't see that in scripture...either. Many false ideas came from Catholicism (remember the discussion about the <3> wise men? Never does it say there were only three. Also the nativity deal at Christmas with the wise men and shepherds gathered around in the barn looking at Jesus? They weren't there seeing him at the same time.)
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“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Hi James (& Gary),
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Since you mention Christs' Kingship, Marilyn, I just finished Revelation and how much plainer could it be put than this?
"And He hath on His vesture and on His thing a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."Rev. 19:16
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I have been meditating on Christ`s Kingship & remembered that He had many crowns. (Rev. 19: 12)Often we just think that the Lord Jesus Christ is only king over the earth, but He is sovereign in all realms & over all aspects. Christ was king even before He came to earth, as He told Pilate. He is the king of the regency of truth & that is a wonder to meditate on.
The Lord Jesus Christ is King over many realms.
King of Glory. (Ps. 24: 7)
King of heaven. (Dan. 4: 37)
King of the Ages. (1 Tim. 1: 17)
King of Righteousness. (Heb. 7: 1 – 3)
King of Israel. (John 1 : 49)
King of the Jews. (Matt. 2: 2)
King of the Nations. (Rev. 15: 3)
King of Kings. (Rev. 19: 12)
What are your thoughts, Marilyn.
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| james wrote on Tue, 23 June 2015 12:32 |
Mary of Bethany (sister of Lazarus and Martha) anointed the feet of Jesus on one occasion in Bethany. John 12:3
There is in Luke a account of Jesus being anointed by a woman who wasn't named except to say she was a sinner and that this happened in the house of a Pharisee (Simon), which also was in Bethany(I think). Mary, like us all was a sinner, so maybe it was her in both accounts. But Mark and Matthew says anointed the head, whereas Luke and John tell of His feet being anointed. So maybe it was two different women at two different times. [Luke 7:36-38] also see: Matt. 26:6-13 and Mk.14:3-9
I don't think it was Mary Magdalene, but it could have been...btw: Many think Mary Magdalene was a prostitute before meeting Jesus, I don't see that in scripture...either. Many false ideas came from Catholicism (remember the discussion about the <3> wise men? Never does it say there were only three. Also the nativity deal at Christmas with the wise men and shepherds gathered around in the barn looking at Jesus? They weren't there seeing him at the same time.)
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This is good James. It's sometimes hard to believe what has been told us sometimes and its not even a part of scripture. Maybe your right it was all passed down from Catholicism.
It seems like there is more twisting of the New Testament then there is of the Old. Jesus said, to listen or hear, see, and watch, but it takes an effort on our part to pay attention (hear and see), to what the Bible is telling us.
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| Gary wrote on Wed, 24 June 2015 04:53 |
Is Mary Magdalene the sister of Lazarus? The guy told me on Sunday that Mary was from a town called Magdalene and this is how she got her name.
Another question that comes to mind, Is Bethany close to Jerusalem where everything took place?
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No, Mary Magdalene is not Lazarus' sister. And yes, based on what I understand, Mary Magdalene was from a town called Magdala and Magdalene was used as as a surname.(Jesus of Nazareth) You'd be Gary of Indiana.....but not Gary, Indiana...lol)
Bethany is very close to Jerusalem, just a couple of miles.(2 I think.)
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“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Tue, 23 June 2015 18:49 |
Hi James (& Gary),
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Since you mention Christs' Kingship, Marilyn, I just finished Revelation and how much plainer could it be put than this?
"And He hath on His vesture and on His thing a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."Rev. 19:16
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I have been meditating on Christ`s Kingship & remembered that He had many crowns. (Rev. 19: 12)Often we just think that the Lord Jesus Christ is only king over the earth, but He is sovereign in all realms & over all aspects. Christ was king even before He came to earth, as He told Pilate. He is the king of the regency of truth & that is a wonder to meditate on.
The Lord Jesus Christ is King over many realms.
King of Glory. (Ps. 24: 7)
King of heaven. (Dan. 4: 37)
King of the Ages. (1 Tim. 1: 17)
King of Righteousness. (Heb. 7: 1 – 3)
King of Israel. (John 1 : 49)
King of the Jews. (Matt. 2: 2)
King of the Nations. (Rev. 15: 3)
King of Kings. (Rev. 19: 12)
What are your thoughts, Marilyn.
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My thoughts are....yes, you're correct...He IS all this and more...KING OF KINGS...LORD OF ALL...And as I think about it, He was King before He even created those who would eventually make up His Kingdom...redeemed mankind....And while our knowledge is limited based on our understanding of kingship(revealed in scripture and observed in nations that have kings), I believe He is much more than our present understanding allows us to see. But there will be a time we'll see, and we'll understand and stand in awe and the praise and worship won't ever depart from our lips forever. Every tear will be wiped away, every disease will be healed, every broken heart will be mended, and every person who has put their trust in Him will NOT be ashamed.
Worthy is The Lamb who was slain, worthy is the Lamb who conquered the grave, Worthy... Worthy...Worthy
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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My thoughts are....yes, you're correct...He IS all this and more...KING OF KINGS...LORD OF ALL...And as I think about it, He was King before He even created those who would eventually make up His Kingdom...redeemed mankind....And while our knowledge is limited based on our understanding of kingship(revealed in scripture and observed in nations that have kings), I believe He is much more than our present understanding allows us to see. But there will be a time we'll see, and we'll understand and stand in awe and the praise and worship won't ever depart from our lips forever. Every tear will be wiped away, every disease will be healed, every broken heart will be mended, and every person who has put their trust in Him will NOT be ashamed.
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What a day that will be!
While this old world seems to be crumbling around our feet, as each new report sounds like the end is truly upon us, we can rest in the Lord that no matter what, He is true to His Word and is there for us.
If God be for us who can be against us.
Gary
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49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!”
50 Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”
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There was probably a lot more that took place when Jesus was on the earth, then what we realize. John ends his gospel with this statement:
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25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
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That must of been a unique experience to see and hear and walk with the Lord while He was here on the earth. There was so much that took place that as John says, the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
Anyway I find it interesting that Jesus told Nathanael that he would see angels ascending and descending.
Were told in one place in the New Testament:
Hebrews 13:2
Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels.
Not trying to head anywhere specific with this train of thought just noting what Jesus shared with Nathanael.
Gary
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John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.”
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.
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What Jesus said to the Pharisees is a profound statement and that is "if you were blind, you would have no sin". But because they said, "We see", then their sin remains.
Jesus went on to say that His sheep hear His voice and follow Him.
In America (as many have shared), we see everything is falling apart and what continues to go on? As in the days of Noah they keep eating and drinking, marrying and getting divorced, buying and selling as though there is no problem and life goes on.
The problem with sin is; that a little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Sin will continue to spread as a raging fire across the land. You know when someone throws more wood or fuel to a fire it rages with intensity.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me,
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3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
16 These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. 17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
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John's gospel is very unique in the fact it does not give a lot of parables nor show a lot of different characters being healed or ministered to by the Lord.
One of the main examples John brings out is the death of Lazarus. Raising Lazarus from the dead had a huge impact on those who were present and also those who heard of the account and later believed on Jesus.
At the cross we see Mary the mother of Jesus, her sister, and Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. John we know was there but no other disciples are mentioned in Johns gospel but there could of been others there.
An interesting account stands out at what took place in the garden when they came to arrest Jesus:
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18 When Jesus had spoken these words, He went out with His disciples over the Brook Kidron, where there was a garden, which He and His disciples entered. 2 And Judas, who betrayed Him, also knew the place; for Jesus often met there with His disciples. 3 Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons. 4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that would come upon Him, went forward and said to them, “Whom are you seeking?”
5 They answered Him, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
Jesus said to them, “I am He.” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. 6 Now when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Then He asked them again, “Whom are you seeking?”
And they said, “Jesus of Nazareth.”
8 Jesus answered, “I have told you that I am He. Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their way,” 9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”
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What more could anyone say, Jesus was God but in His humanity His hour had finally come.
If you think about what took place and what His followers seen and felt it must of been quite traumatic and confusing, trying to sort out what was taking place.
Gary
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| Gleanings from the "Gospels" Retaining Sins? [message #11632 is a reply to message #11631] |
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John 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
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Here's a good one for the theologians: What is meant by retaining the sins of others?
Definition of "retain":
retain
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verb (used with object)
1.to keep possession of.
2.to continue to use, practice, etc.:
to retain an old custom.
3.to continue to hold or have:
to retain a prisoner in custody; a cloth that retains its color.
4.to keep in mind; remember.
5.to hold in place or position.
6.to engage, especially by payment of a preliminary fee:
Don't know if anyone can tackle this one but it sounds like someone is not forgiving a sin but remembering what someone has done. I don't understand for what reason you would "retain" someones sin.
Gary
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We all know that I'm no theologian but maybe remembering how He taught them(and us) to pray, asking forgiveness and forgiving others and being reminded that if they/we don't they/we can't expect to receive it ourselves I can't see a situation where a follower of Christ wouldn't forgive others...and certainly not verbalize that their sins are retained(kept possession of by the person or persons in question.)
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Gary wrote on Fri, 03 July 2015 04:48 |
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John 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
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Here's a good one for the theologians: What is meant by retaining the sins of others?
Definition of "retain":
retain
[ri-teyn]
verb (used with object)
1.to keep possession of.
2.to continue to use, practice, etc.:
to retain an old custom.
3.to continue to hold or have:
to retain a prisoner in custody; a cloth that retains its color.
4.to keep in mind; remember.
5.to hold in place or position.
6.to engage, especially by payment of a preliminary fee:
Don't know if anyone can tackle this one but it sounds like someone is not forgiving a sin but remembering what someone has done. I don't understand for what reason you would "retain" someones sin.
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Yes Gary, this is a tough verse. I think it is one that the Roman Catholic's like to use to justify their confessional!
Personally you don't see explicit examples of the apostles using this 'power' but there are at least some indications that it might have been used in Church disipline cases. I'm thinking of Paul turning that fornicator over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh ( 1 Cor 5 ); Another time was when Paul cursed Elymas ( Acts 13:8-12 ); then there was the time when Peter took on Simon for his sins ( Acts 8:20-23 ); then there was Alexander the coppersmith that Paul mentioned in a very negative light ( 2 Tim 4:14 ); and then there was John who said that he would 'remember' Diotrephes who had caused some trouble in the Church ( 3 John 1:9-10 ).
I'm sure though that they would have followed Jesus' example in forgiving even these extreme cases if the offenders came forth with true repentance.
It's hard to have a specific explanation on these verses but it's sure something for us to think about.
Blessings,
William
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| james wrote on Fri, 03 July 2015 06:25 |
We all know that I'm no theologian...)
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Ahh James, now you're just being modest! Here is the definition of a Theologian:
...one who is learned in theology.
1. (Theology) a person versed in or engaged in the study of theology, esp Christian theology
...a person versed in theology.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theologian
And what is "theology" but the study of God?
The absence of a trailing D.D. after your name doesn't phase me one bit!!! <grin>
Blessings,
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Well that's certainly true, I don't think he realizes he probably knows more then most with a D.D..
Acts 4:13
Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And they realized that they had been with Jesus.
John 14:17
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
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| Gary wrote on Fri, 03 July 2015 04:48 |
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John 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
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Here's a good one for the theologians: What is meant by retaining the sins of others?
Definition of "retain":
retain
[ri-teyn]
verb (used with object)
1.to keep possession of.
2.to continue to use, practice, etc.:
to retain an old custom.
3.to continue to hold or have:
to retain a prisoner in custody; a cloth that retains its color.
4.to keep in mind; remember.
5.to hold in place or position.
6.to engage, especially by payment of a preliminary fee:
Don't know if anyone can tackle this one but it sounds like someone is not forgiving a sin but remembering what someone has done. I don't understand for what reason you would "retain" someones sin.
Gary
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Yes Gary, this is a tough verse. I think it is one that the Roman Catholic's like to use to justify their confessional!
Personally you don't see explicit examples of the apostles using this 'power' but there are at least some indications that it might have been used in Church disipline cases. I'm thinking of Paul turning that fornicator over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh ( 1 Cor 5 ); Another time was when Paul cursed Elymas ( Acts 13:8-12 ); then there was the time when Peter took on Simon for his sins ( Acts 8:20-23 ); then there was Alexander the coppersmith that Paul mentioned in a very negative light ( 2 Tim 4:14 ); and then there was John who said that he would 'remember' Diotrephes who had caused some trouble in the Church ( 3 John 1:9-10 ).
I'm sure though that they would have followed Jesus' example in forgiving even these extreme cases if the offenders came forth with true repentance.
It's hard to have a specific explanation on these verses but it's sure something for us to think about.
Blessings,
William
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William,
The Scriptures you shared give a good explanation where it could be applied.
Gary
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| james wrote on Fri, 03 July 2015 06:25 |
We all know that I'm no theologian...)
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Ahh James, now you're just being modest! Here is the definition of a Theologian:
...one who is learned in theology.
1. (Theology) a person versed in or engaged in the study of theology, esp Christian theology
...a person versed in theology.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theologian
And what is "theology" but the study of God?
The absence of a trailing D.D. after your name doesn't phase me one bit!!! <grin>
Blessings,
William
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<GRIN> Yeah, titles given men don't impress me too much either...
In all seriousness all I ever hope to be is a man who gets to behold the Glory of God for all eternity. And that hope is realized through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and the gift of righteousness imputed unto me because of His Righteousness, through faith (which also is a gift).
Isaiah 66:2
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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In Matthews gospel we find a man that is called the "Centurion". In the ancient Roman army this was a man who was in charge over a platoon of men called a "century".
He is mentioned in Matthew as well as Luke's gospel. When you look at both of the scenarios given we find one man with two different descriptions on what took place. I believe the Bible is totally accurate and that there is an explanation of what exactly took place or maybe there is no clear cut reason and just leave it at what it says.
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5 Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him, 6 saying, “Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.”
7 And Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”
8 The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.
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7:1 Now when He concluded all His sayings in the hearing of the people, He entered Capernaum. 2 And a certain centurion’s servant, who was dear to him, was sick and ready to die. 3 So when he heard about Jesus, he sent elders of the Jews to Him, pleading with Him to come and heal his servant. 4 And when they came to Jesus, they begged Him earnestly, saying that the one for whom He should do this was deserving, 5 “for he loves our nation, and has built us a synagogue.”
6 Then Jesus went with them. And when He was already not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to Him, saying to Him, “Lord, do not trouble Yourself, for I am not worthy that You should enter under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not even think myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. 8 For I also am a man placed under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
9 When Jesus heard these things, He marveled at him, and turned around and said to the crowd that followed Him, “I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!” 10 And those who were sent, returning to the house, found the servant well who had been sick.
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Matthew who was probably there shows the centurion coming to Jesus, Luke on the other hand who gathered the information from others is telling us that the centurion sent his friends.
It appears this is the same man in each account and that he lived in Capernaum. The question is trying to find out why Luke is giving a different description of what took place or again is he giving more information and leaving out the fact that the centurion was there with his friends?
I am sure there is a plausible explanation on this. In Matthews gospel we see the servant is paralyzed and tormented, I would assume from the pain and sickness, in Luke we are told he is sick and on the verge of death.
Either way we know the man was healed, on just the fact that the Roman Centurion believed that Jesus would and could heal the man on just His spoken Word. One other thing, one would assume this Centurion was a gentile who believed Jesus was the Son of God.
Is there a solution to these verses?
Gary
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The Roman empire was very barbaric in their practices. The government officials could do whatever they wanted and they answered to no one.
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Matthew 14:1 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard the report about Jesus 2 and said to his servants, “This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead, and therefore these powers are at work in him.” 3 For Herod had laid hold of John and bound him, and put him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife. 4 Because John had said to him, “It is not lawful for you to have her.” 5 And although he wanted to put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
6 But when Herod’s birthday was celebrated, the daughter of Herodias danced before them and pleased Herod. 7 Therefore he promised with an oath to give her whatever she might ask.
8 So she, having been prompted by her mother, said, “Give me John the Baptist’s head here on a platter.”
9 And the king was sorry; nevertheless, because of the oaths and because of those who sat with him, he commanded it to be given to her. 10 So he sent and had John beheaded in prison. 11 And his head was brought on a platter and given to the girl, and she brought it to her mother. 12 Then his disciples came and took away the body and buried it, and went and told Jesus.
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Herod has John's head cut off and then it is brought in on a platter and given to the daughter and she carries it to her mother.
Was her mother that offended that she would have someones head brought in on a platter. Herod could murder someone anytime he wanted and no one said a word.
A different man named Herod has hundreds of male children that were two years old and younger put to death. No one says a word. The Romans were barbaric and answered to no one.
Herods wife was highly offended because someone mentioned her sinful practices.
Makes you wonder if people today when they hear certain things are wrong or sinful if they have this same attitude in their hearts. Maybe this is why society as a whole keeps acting like there is nothing wrong with this sin or that sin.
The problem is Christians are not the ones who made the rules we just tell them what God thinks about their wickedness and that He will forgive and forget whatever sins they have been practicing.
All John said was: It is not lawful that you should have her. Herod's brothers wife, took great offense at these words.
Gary
[Updated on: Fri, 10 July 2015 09:57]
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Sat, 11 July 2015 11:55 |
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Gary
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When you first become a Christian you readily accept what you are told concerning the Bible. Now that truth has become a part of your life, you believe the Bible is all true, and generally what you hear from others you accept as being true.
Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man comes to the Father except by me.
What this is saying is, He is the way into Heaven, the Truth and reality of God, and the Life we should live in Him. There could be other interpretations as well.
Even though we have heard a lot of things passed down from well meaning people, there has been a lot of information passed down after two thousand years that has been interwoven into Christian thinking that is for the most part not even found in the Bible.
It appears the enemy has sown tares of information into the Christian world.
We've all been there to some degree, like one person told me one time, "if Grandma believed it then its good enough for me". Another lady comes to mind who I was showing her the scriptures on the Baptism, hands me back the Bible and says, "you need to talk to my Pastor". People tend not to question someone in authority or some loving family member nor do they look to see what they have been told is true. I'm not saying to question every little thing, but if someone tells you something about the Bible and you find later its not even in there you have to be honest enough to admit it. We've all traveled down this road, and we have to come to some conclusion on what does the Bible say.
It's the little foxes that spoil the vine. One little thing here and another there and before you know it you have a whole new gospel.
Okay maybe some things aren't a major deal, for instance; the three wise men at the manger. Were told every year that three wise men showed up at the manger. But in reality "some" wise men, we don't know how many showed up at a house not the manger, where Mary and Joseph was with the baby Jesus. This is one example among dozens, the church world then ends up having so many distortions that people come to the place that they cannot see the truth on water baptism, Baptism in the Spirit, etc., and are fearful of going forward in the Kingdom. With so many new additions it becomes a different gospel. When I first heard about the Baptism of the Spirit I was a little afraid and hesitant but because I saw it in the Bible I wanted it. If we see it in the Bible its there for us as believers.
Hearing they shall hear but not hear and seeing they shall see but not see.
Anyway with all that said, I wanted to look at many different characters in the Gospels and sort through what it says in relationship to these individuals. This may take some time on my part so I can only post off and on till I think I have it. If I overlook anything please let me know, I must admit I did not catch it concerning the wise men. It's easy to hold on to something and not realize its been changed by who knows who. Every bodies input is appreciated and no offense is taken if I have come to a wrong conclusion and need to change as well.
Concerning another individual, we have been told that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute, Does the scriptures teach this? This is just some of the people I will be looking at, but of course I will not cover every single individual. There is a lot of information in the New Testament that has been twisted over the centuries concerning certain individuals.
Jesus said, when He returns to the earth, will He find faith. God is eternal and always was here, man was created from dirt and with his finite mind it is hard to comprehend the fact that God is who He says He is and that is "God".
The world or liberals and atheists say there is no God. The Christians believe there is a God who is invisible and we cannot see Him, only His handiwork. With are finite minds we can only understand this One who came from Eternity and created us, through Jesus and His Word revealed to us.
I have tried to think in my mind about the Lord from all of Eternity and it can only come to a blank, its beyond our scope of understanding Him. We just have to believe by "faith" that He is who He says He is, the Great "I Am".
Faith is the total reality of the invisible God and that God can do anything He wishes in His universe. This is a rest in the fact that He is our God, but there is also a measure of fear, that God is who He says He is and that is "God", do you understand this?
Thankfully we can approach the Father through Jesus Christ the Lamb who was slain on our behalf.
I think its good not to lose sight of who "God" really is, and that what His Word reveals is what He intended us to know about Him.
Gary
[Updated on: Sat, 11 July 2015 12:05]
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Sat, 11 July 2015 16:09 |
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Gary,
Sometimes stopping to meditate on the surrounding scriptures and even chapters allow us to see things differently and in an all together different light. I was thinking this morning as I read my daily reading, Matthew chapter twenty one about the question you asked concerning Bethany and it's location in relation to Jerusalem.
We're told near the end of chapter twenty that Jesus and His disciples were coming from Jericho towards Jerusalem(east to west) and came to the area known as Bethphage where Jesus sent the two ahead to get the ass (to fulfill the prophecy made in the OT concerning how He would enter the city of Jerusalem.)
After entering the city amid the praise and worship of the people lining the way and clearing out the temple He left Jerusalem and went to Bethany to spend the night.(Good chance He stayed with Lazarus, Martha, and Mary, but it doesn't say that). The next morning He got up and returned to the city(as we know, Bethany is only a couple miles away...like the suburbs, and would take maybe only half an hour walking or less if by donkey.), this is where the fig tree was cursed for not having figs on it and the scripture that is/was so often quoted in the faithcamp about speaking to the mountain and casting it into the sea and not doubting.
Anyway, stopping and thinking about what we're reading and maybe going to the maps in the back of the Bible, <my antique Thompson Chain Reference> it can help us understand better. I seem to 'discover' things that I'd not seen previously each time I go through, as, I'm sure is true for all who approach God's Word seeking truth and understanding. (Praying and asking for wisdom and understanding certainly is not excluded, Duh!)
[Updated on: Sat, 11 July 2015 16:18]
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Sun, 12 July 2015 06:33 |
Marilyn Crow
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Hi James,
I appreciated your narrative, connecting what Jesus did in that time frame. Also I have my father`s Thompson Chain Reference. It has so much detail & diagrams etc. A great resource.
Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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| Re: Gleanings from the "Gospels" [message #11659 is a reply to message #11655] |
Sun, 12 July 2015 07:36 |
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Gary
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| james wrote on Sat, 11 July 2015 12:09 |
Gary,
Sometimes stopping to meditate on the surrounding scriptures and even chapters allow us to see things differently and in an all together different light. I was thinking this morning as I read my daily reading, Matthew chapter twenty one about the question you asked concerning Bethany and it's location in relation to Jerusalem.
We're told near the end of chapter twenty that Jesus and His disciples were coming from Jericho towards Jerusalem(east to west) and came to the area known as Bethphage where Jesus sent the two ahead to get the ass (to fulfill the prophecy made in the OT concerning how He would enter the city of Jerusalem.)
After entering the city amid the praise and worship of the people lining the way and clearing out the temple He left Jerusalem and went to Bethany to spend the night.(Good chance He stayed with Lazarus, Martha, and Mary, but it doesn't say that). The next morning He got up and returned to the city(as we know, Bethany is only a couple miles away...like the suburbs, and would take maybe only half an hour walking or less if by donkey.), this is where the fig tree was cursed for not having figs on it and the scripture that is/was so often quoted in the faithcamp about speaking to the mountain and casting it into the sea and not doubting.
Anyway, stopping and thinking about what we're reading and maybe going to the maps in the back of the Bible, <my antique Thompson Chain Reference> it can help us understand better. I seem to 'discover' things that I'd not seen previously each time I go through, as, I'm sure is true for all who approach God's Word seeking truth and understanding. (Praying and asking for wisdom and understanding certainly is not excluded, Duh!)
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James,
To be honest I mainly am trying to keep some type of dialogue going that may spark conversation. LOL I enjoy what small amount of fellowship we have here. There is something about those who have walked through what we experience I guess will never leave me. Some call it the good old days, and there was a lot of good and bad memories associated with the past, I realize.
Again I must say its a whole different world out there now. I work around 7 or 8 men who are christian heathen. What I mean by this is they are faithful church goers, all different backgrounds, who believe they can use every curse word you can think of, and two of them brag about their porn, I have even heard some curse God. Several of these men attend pentecostal style churches and I know the pastor of the one church.
I'm the odd ball who does not participate in their vile jokes and sensual rhetoric, I generally have to leave acting like I'm busy at work. Anything spiritual they mock and make fun at, there is a definite lack of understanding or maybe their not being taught much.
So its refreshing to know that on the board here, there is some still out there who hold to a higher standard. Some may call this legalism but I believe what Jesus said, that a man will be justified by his words, by our words we will be justified and by our words we will be condemned. Its appointed for men once to die and then the judgement. Who is His mother and brothers and sisters?, its those who does His will and word and keeps it. I don't see in scripture that Christians can just do what they want when they want. So I may come up with stuff that sounds elementary sometimes just overlook what you can and bare with me.
I recently heard that there has been a discussion or sermon in some churches that says what makes a word a cuss word is only recognized by those who thinks its wrong. In other words, words are what we make them. If you think a cuss word is wrong then its wrong for you but if you think its okay to use then there is nothing wrong with using it. Like I said things have sure changed since I came into the walk. Now we see cocktail parties, people loving this old world, smoking and cussing all in the name of Christianity.
Another thing you mentioned about those in the "faith camp". I know there was a lot of extremes, but I have found every church for some reason or another falls into some type of pet peeve doctrine. I don't know why this is unless they think there is safety in staying with just certain concepts and ideas.
Why I am saying this is I still consider myself part of the faith camp. Not with all the extremes that we witnessed. But when I read where Jesus was constantly dealing with a persons faith in daily matters. Whether it was healing, walking on water, or casting trees in the ocean. He either rebuked them for a lack of faith, having little faith, or having great faith.
It sounds to me like Jesus is concerned on what a person believes in Him and His abilities as God. I believe if Jesus said we can cast a mountain in the ocean or a tree that the ability is there, whether I ever experience it or not.
While reading the gospels I cannot get away from the fact that the faith message originated with the Lord Himself. Maybe this is why He said when He returns will He find faith on the earth. I don't believe this is only concerning salvation but that is a part of it.
I've tried to look at the Bible and see if Jesus meant something else when He talks about faith, (maybe its just all about salvation), but I find that He is the One who confronts us concerning our lack of faith in His ability as the Living and only God.
God is God and is so much greater then us as created beings and it seems sometimes that everyone forgets who He really is, what He can do, and what He says to us.
I know that many have went to extremes concerning this teaching, and have tried to lord it over others. When its a reality we have to seek out on our own and to know Him, I guess the Bible calls it working out our own salvation.
Mainly I'm just sharing somethings here and know you were only making a statement not implying anything, but the thoughts crossed my mind to share what I thought about the Lord. I hope you understand what I am saying in the right spirit of things concerning all of this. Jesus told His brothers one time that their time was anytime but His time had not yet come.
We all stand on the very edge of eternity and as Jesus said to His brothers can apply to us as well, our time is anytime, it is in His hands. If were given eighty years what is that in the light of eternity. There is an old song that goes, "Only whats done for Christ will last". Eighty years is nothing compared to eternity, were still and always will be little children compared to the Eternal One.
Anyway woke up at 1:30 thinking about all of this and thought I'd might write a quick note, Oh, I did look at the map later after you shared about it and there was Bethany it was very close, I don't know why I did not think to look first. Duh hopefully not a senior moment.
William
I will look for that book concerning the hard sayings it sounds like a good one to have. I recently was going through CBD's catalog wondering if there was any good books left out there.
Gary
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Mon, 13 July 2015 07:27 |
Marilyn Crow
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Hi Gary,
I encourage & commend you bro. for walking away from unrighteous talk. I have been praying for you & the situation as I know you have a `pastoral` heart for others. I do believe in the Lord that one man from that group will receive the conviction by the Holy Spirit & even come to you for prayer. Be strong, for God is with you.
As regards `faith,` as I see it -
1. The people of Israel were to have faith in that God promised that He would send them a Messiah & that they would rule the nations. Jesus in the gospels reminds them of what God has promised for them.
2. Then the Body of Christ (not known before that) are to have faith in that Jesus is our head & that we will be kingpriests with Him in the third heaven.
Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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Mon, 13 July 2015 10:06 |
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Gary
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| Marilyn Crow wrote on Mon, 13 July 2015 03:27 |
Hi Gary,
I encourage & commend you bro. for walking away from unrighteous talk. I have been praying for you & the situation as I know you have a `pastoral` heart for others. I do believe in the Lord that one man from that group will receive the conviction by the Holy Spirit & even come to you for prayer. Be strong, for God is with you.
As regards `faith,` as I see it -
1. The people of Israel were to have faith in that God promised that He would send them a Messiah & that they would rule the nations. Jesus in the gospels reminds them of what God has promised for them.
2. Then the Body of Christ (not known before that) are to have faith in that Jesus is our head & that we will be kingpriests with Him in the third heaven.
Marilyn.
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Hi Marilyn,
I'm thinking about what you said in the other post and will get to it later, concerning the bride of Christ.
This morning I was reading where Jesus said:
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18 Now in the morning, as He returned to the city, He was hungry. 19 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, “Let no fruit grow on you ever again.” Immediately the fig tree withered away.
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, “How did the fig tree wither away so soon?”
21 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ it will be done. 22 And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”
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Jesus says that with faith we can command a mountain into the sea. I know many quote this as meaning mountains or problems we have to deal with in our lives. But He is talking about a literal mountain when He is speaking to His disciples.
Then He goes on to say, "whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive."
God is not a man that He should lie, so if God tells us this is what will happen then it is possible. I think we put the limits on ourselves by rationalizing what is taking place around us and what others think.
No matter what happens we cannot deny the fact that Jesus did say this. Let's not forget who we are dealing with and that is God Himself.
I choose to believe what Jesus says, contrary to what my mind or circumstances say is or is not possible. Jesus would not give us a rock if we ask for bread, right?
All I am saying is if Jesus Christ is telling us His people something then it has to be true. No matter what camp someone finds themselves setting in, the reality is that God is the one who spoke these words.
Gary
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Tue, 14 July 2015 07:10 |
Marilyn Crow
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Hi Gary,
Yes I agree people do like to twist & distort God`s word to their ideas & desires. That`s why it is good to share & discuss with you fellas here as you are serious about respecting God`s word. We may not always agree, but we are trying to understand each other & God`s word.
Now about that scripture -
`So Jesus answered & said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith & do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, "Be removed & be cast into the sea," then it will be done.` (Matt. 21: 21)
Trevor & I have been discussing it. So here is what we think - Obviously God is not telling us to rearrange His earth - put a mountain in the sea or over there etc.
Let`s look at the word `mountain` & then the context of what Jesus is talking about.
mountain - Gk word `oros` - meaning to rise or rear, akin to `airo` -meaning to lift, ....make to doubt, take away.
So we see that Jesus is talking to the disciples to have faith in what God has promised their nation & not to doubt. He then gives a pictorial illustration of `taking doubt away.`
Marilyn.
Marilyn C
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