| The Great Reset? [message #13499] |
Thu, 02 July 2020 18:58  |
 Mark L
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Have you guys heard about this? Someone sent it to me and it was the first I heard about it. Basically, in 2021, the global elites are going to reset the economy and set the stage for world gov't. Apparently its everywhere in the Charismatic world. Lots on youtube about it.
My perspective is it is just simply too soon. One way or another I don't think it will happen or happen the way they want it to. That's just my opinion of course and I could be all wet on it.
https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id =4130
Another issue is the way the pandemic is the beginning of the end times with the rapture just around the corner. But what we have is a pandemic "in" the end times. But the world has always had pandemics and usually far more serious. I guess my point is I don't believe this is the beginning of sorrows Jesus spoke of. I don't think we are there yet.
Annnnnnnnnnnnd I'm on a roll here so . . . the rapture. What I see in the christian world including the charismatic is that the world will more or less continue as it is then all the believers will get caught away and then terrible things will happen in the world. A friend told me recently that there is nothing left to be fulfilled before the rapture. I disagreed and gave him my notes on Gog and Magog. 
I still believe there will be a first fruits overcomer rapture with the rest of the church going mid-trib with several aspects to each. I'm not sure what the aspects are my point is simply that there is more involved than all of us just getting caught away.
Let me say this about the rapture. Regardless of anyone's belief pre/post/mid whatever. The ones getting raptured at any time are going to be the ones with faith like Elijah and pleasing God like Enoch. And getting there involves deep work in a person's life. And as I've said before I don't believe the Holy Spirit has yet begun that deep work.
[Updated on: Thu, 02 July 2020 19:04]
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13505 is a reply to message #13499] |
Sat, 04 July 2020 18:03  |
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william
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Quote:The great falling away is really referring to the rapture. I'm not sure what I think.
When you think about it, or at least when I think about it, the passage 2Thess2:3, can simultaneously mean both things, can't it?
If it means "the departure" then it implies that you have a group leaving and a group staying. The group leaving is falling away from the group that is by definition not leaving. The idea of apostasy is that they are leaving the other group which is exactly what apostasy is... except we (well, most of us) have always viewed it in a negative sense, e.g. falling away from the faith. (Which, admittedly, has to have certain subjective assumptions added to the text to make it work.)
Looks like apostasy can just as easily be a good thing--We left the denominational church, en mass! (i.e. we fell away from the system!!) This isn't as unpalatable as it first appears when you consider the other place in the Bible where the word appears:
[Act 21:21 KJV] 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake[G646] Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.
Interesting stuff, Mark.
Blessings,
William
[Updated on: Sat, 04 July 2020 18:17]
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13506 is a reply to message #13505] |
Sun, 05 July 2020 14:34 |
Mark L
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The same friend that sent me the stuff on the reset and the rapture also said this about the perilous times passage . . .
I would add a passage like 2 Tim 3:1-9, which describes last day behavior of society.
I am sure your studies of this passage provided insight into the word Perilous. The Greek word is "chalepos" with the meaning in this passage fierce, ferocious; in reality, "raging insanity". The other place this word perilous has this meaning is in Matt 8: 27-32 which is the account of the two demon possessed men.
"raging insanity" I found that highly interesting.
[Updated on: Sun, 05 July 2020 15:13]
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13515 is a reply to message #13512] |
Wed, 05 August 2020 07:31 |
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william
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Mark L wrote on Mon, 03 August 2020 22:23There is a huge amount of stuff on youtube on these subjects. Prophets coming out of the woodwork. Some may even be real. Who has time to figure it out.
I too am surprised at the sudden "appearance" of all of those so-called-prophets that seem to be coming out in droves!
Quote:It is also amazing how many Christians that are expecting the rapture at least as far as the notes on youtube are concerned. I sincerely hope these people are right and the rapture is right around the corner. I would love for it to happen.
My issue with the rapture occurring shortly is that most of what Jesus said in Matt. 24 LUke 21 Mark 13 imo happens prior to the rapture and we haven't seen anything like that stuff yet.
I'm not exactly sure that all of that stuff mentioned in Mt.24, Lk.21, and Mk.13, has to precede the rapture. Read them again with this passage in mind:
Quote:[Luk 21:36 KJV] 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Jesus gives His warnings especially to those that seem destined to go through the tribulation (flee to the mountians, etc.) and if those that are "accounted worthy" do "escape ALL these things" (which I assume to be the rapture) then can we not assume that the rapture can happen before ANY of those things occur?
(Leaving off the argument concerning the Gog/Magog war for now.)
Blessings,
William
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13519 is a reply to message #13518] |
Wed, 05 August 2020 19:29 |
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william
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Quote:DO YOU BELIEVE THE OVERCOMERS WILL BE RAPTURED REVELATIONS 12:5 REF REV. 2:26 & 27.
AND THE WEAK CHURCH WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION TO BE PURIFIED FROM THIS WORLD AND DIE FOR THEIR BELIEFS. REVELATIONS 12
Well, essentially yes.
Although I wouldn't necessarily call those who are left weak.
It's like a harvest... you wouldn't consider the whole harvest to be first-fruits neither would you consider the rest of the harvest to be inferior to the first-fruits. It could be argued that the main harvest is stronger than the tender first-fruits of that harvest. Maybe that's why they are depicted as a new born baby? (i.e. manchild?)
I do think it has to do with maturity levels though, some people mature faster than others (who knows, maybe it because of the severity of life's trials, or something else, I don't know).
What do you think, Kenster?
Blessings,
William
[Updated on: Wed, 05 August 2020 19:34]
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13539 is a reply to message #13522] |
Fri, 21 August 2020 21:50 |
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Interesting post, I have not heard of this great reset. I have noticed George Soros, Bill Gates, etc. have become media favorites. I heard George Soros commment that Trump was a problem in trying to keep America great again, and not joining in the new world order.
I've been avoiding a lot of information on the internet, especially after sending Jame's several articles and then having to eat crow afterwords.
Over a hundred kids were at a college party, (I.U.), the other night, someone drove by and caught them without masks and social distancing and they took cell phone pictures to boot.
Now our liberal Mayor is telling us that no more crowds over 15 in the whole county and people have to wear masks in private settings if there is 15 people. Everybody gets punished, interesting. The kids are going to be suspended from school when they find out who they are in the picture. Football players may be exempt. LOL
We have a huge amount of KGB snitches running around town and reporting anyone who is not complying to the covid 19 rules. No Kidding!!
I have a feeling this covid thing is going to play out as long as the Dems can milk it and who knows what will happen in the future.
The Lord told Abraham He would spare Sodom if there was ten righteous in the city. Also, the Lord said; the Nations are as a drop in the bucket and God would decide who will rule in the kingdoms of men.
We knew it would end sometime, but I never thought in our lifetime we would see the things that are going on in America. People burning Bibles in the streets, and the rulers telling Christians your not aloud to sing in church. That's like saying you cannot worship the Lord but you can bow down to our Idols.
Our God reigns!!
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13544 is a reply to message #13499] |
Sun, 30 August 2020 03:52 |
Mark L
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Here is another on the great reset. Again sent to me. I thought this one was quite interesting. I still think it isn't time though. It seems to me that those Christians who pointing to this and concerned about it are completely bypassing the spiritual nature of the endtimes and the rise of the antichrist etc.
As I've said before I think there is a great breakthrough coming in science that will upend everything. The video talked about human/AI fused together. I can't remember how they phrased it. But I think it is more and deeper than that in that they will create people that aren't completely human. Dan. 2/43 is a reference to that. Some of the info in Neb's dream was deliberately (by God) left out of the record we have.
As I've said before I think we are in a time of relative peace. Without trying to get into a lot of speculation I believe there is coming upheaval in the world in every area of humanity.
Speaking of Christendom in general I don't understand why the whole Christian world is crying after these issues. Being aware is one thing but making it the focus of life is another. Please note I'm not talking about anyone here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&time_continue=149 &v=X6pzXrEBqR0&feature=emb_logo
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13546 is a reply to message #13499] |
Sun, 30 August 2020 15:42 |
Mark L
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Well I'm going to give a definite black and white answer that will satisfy every aspect to the question and say I'm not sure. I didn't know Chuck Missler commented on that. I will have to look that up. The reason I said something about it was because of the comments on the video which aligned with a long held opinion I have.
Let me say this. With the advances in DNA/biology/cloning/AI together with the references to the nature of the beast in Revelation and Dan. 2/43 I think something along that line is coming. It looks to me like the image of the beast that speaks etc will probably be the highest form of that.
Sometimes the Lord shows me something then I see something similar in the scriptures and then add some thought and reason. I try and stay away from too much speculation.
I believe the Rev. 9 personalities are demonic.
Sometimes I wonder what the heathen etc that read here think. I had one contact me once about Bruce Kinsey. He also made a comment about the harshness of some of the comments. He called it hatefull. that was years ago though.
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13548 is a reply to message #13547] |
Sun, 30 August 2020 16:03 |
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Quote:He also made a comment about the harshness of some of the comments. He called it hatefull. that was years ago though.
I would need to go back and re-read the thread to comment specifically but in general I'm sure that comments that flow naturally from those who share a common background, as we do, could be viewed differently by those who don't have the advantage of our, shall we say, intimate association with the context. That said, I'm sure that if we were writing in a more evangelical style we might be more careful to provide context that would maybe clear up some of the more direct statements made. Not sure if I'm making any sense here but if there are those reading, that question the flow of the conversation, please feel free to ask for clarification.
Blessings,
William
[Updated on: Sun, 30 August 2020 18:08]
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13551 is a reply to message #13549] |
Sun, 30 August 2020 19:22 |
Mark L
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william wrote on Sun, 30 August 2020 16:13
[Dan 2:43 KJV] 43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
His question: Who are the "they" in the verse? and why are "they" contrasted with the seed of men?
Thats exactly what got me started.
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13553 is a reply to message #13499] |
Mon, 31 August 2020 00:21 |
Mark L
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That was hugely interesting. If you reduced everything he said to a couple of sentences you have what I have believed for a long time. I thought I was all alone. I'm going to have to get out more.
I'm going to listen to more of his stuff.
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13555 is a reply to message #13554] |
Mon, 31 August 2020 07:30 |
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william wrote on Mon, 31 August 2020 00:35You're in for a treat!
Blessings,
William
William/Mark,
To be honest here I do not have a clue what your talking about. It sounds like something out of a sci-fi novel.
Is it possible to give a brief description and put it in simple terms. LOL
I just had an odd experience and do not know for sure what to do. I have come to the point I limit downloads for all these mysterious "bug fixes" on my cell phone. I have certain apps that I allow the constant bug fixes on but sometimes I'm surprised they end up changing everything in the app complete with advertisements, "the very thing I hate".
Here's what happened:
I purchased a new garage door opener about a year ago. It came with an app you could download and control your garage door from your cell phone. I could check from anywhere and see if the door was open or closed. It was handy because sometimes I would forget to close the garage door. I could also add up to three people that would have access to my garage door opening, again this was convenient family members could come over and let the dog out, etc.. Also you could let UPS or Fed-ex have access to deliver packages etc.
A few days ago I downloaded another endless bug fix to the MyQ app. Now I have to agree to a service agreement or I cannot enter the app on my cell phone. No problem but I thought I would open up the agreement to find out what it was.
Its called: "The rest of the world agreement". Whats that suppose to mean?
I then have to add third party access to my app, and I may be charged future payments for the use of the app.
Most people never look at the service agreement, they check the box and go on with their lives.
Here I am scrolling for an endless amount of time looking at this list of information I have to agree too. All I want to do is open my garage door from the cell phone. This company, "Champion garage door", makes inside/outside security cameras and they included this in the agreement in case I made a future purchase.
I always like this idea of wifi equipment in the house but now I'm beginning to wonder where is this headed? I have an app now for my Suv that can track where its at any time of the day, check the oil and tire pressure, this is included in Ford vehicles now. I can start up the vehicle or turn it off, its included with Alexa.
Back to this service agreement, I think my only course of action is to uninstall the app for now. I have too many apps now that want to control my phone, change anything they want to change and think I'm going to like their changes.
Back to "the rest of the world agreement". Is the whole world waiting for me to check the box on this app?
Don't know if anyone has any answers but at least it felt good to talk about it. LOL
What ever happened to the simple times are they over now?
In Him,
Gary
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13557 is a reply to message #13547] |
Mon, 31 August 2020 15:24 |
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Hey Mark,
I found another place where where Missler goes into a bit more detail on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET1e1G4SbTk
(about 40 minutes in)
If you remember our discussions on Gen 6 and the objections voiced concerning the seeming procreative abilities of those "sons of God" then you'll be interested in a verse that Missler points to that speaks directly on this very issue:
[Gen 3:15 KJV] 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
If Satan, an angel, has a seed, then the whole objection to the procreative abilities of angels is brought into question.
Also note the precise language of the NT passages when these issues are discussed:
[Mat 22:30 KJV] 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
[Mar 12:25 KJV] 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Blessings,
William
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13559 is a reply to message #13499] |
Tue, 01 September 2020 15:55 |
Mark L
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This guy Chuck Missler is very interesting. I just recently started a new study on Genesis. I'm going over my OT survey notes on Genesis as well as my own study. He has done an extensive series on Genesis so I'm going to include that as well. I have a lot of thoughts on it but I don't want to go off half baked so I'll wait to post anything on that.
Having said that I'd like to make a comment. I have some areas of disagreement but will wait for further study to comment on that.
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13560 is a reply to message #13499] |
Tue, 01 September 2020 16:01 |
Mark L
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He had something to say about Aliens/UFOs as well as the Vatican's take on it so never being one to keep quiet when there is an opinion to be posited here goes.
I agree with Bro. Freeman's opinion that UFOs are generally occult deliverance. Having said that are there Aliens? On other planets? Like the Vatican believes and is preparing for to meet. Well if there are they are God's creation and part of his kingdom. They aren't some kind of evolutionary byproduct or little green men . . .
I think it is entirely possible. Other planets somewhere in this almost infinite universe where God has placed personalities with moral capability like us. If there are they don't enter into the plan of salvation with Jesus like we do. They are simply part of the same reality that we and all the other spiritual kingdoms are. That is either part of God's kingdom or the devils.
I don't believe there is any interaction between them and us and won't be until the final summation of all things.
Please note this is simply an opinion and I have no direct knowledge of it. I'm only posting on it as it is in his notes on the Nephilim.
[Updated on: Mon, 12 October 2020 02:46]
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| Re: The Great Reset? [message #13565 is a reply to message #13555] |
Thu, 03 September 2020 21:29 |
james
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Simple times are probably over as we once knew them to be, but we still can choose to not engage in all the "lastest, greatest " gadgets and technology, news articles, etc. Some are useful and even necessary to function in today's society; others are just designed to still our most precious commodity, time.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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