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No vote = SIN! [message #13590] |
Wed, 21 October 2020 05:23 ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
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william Messages: 1458 Registered: January 2006 |
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Well, I guess I'm just sick of being called a sinner for not participating in the "most important election ever". Of course I should be used to it by now, I haven't voted in any of the "most important elections ever" of my lifetime: (Yes, it was my fault that God didn't get the right man in office, so there, I've admitted it... by my count I've used up 11 of my 7x70 opportunities for forgiveness from my fellow believers.)
I don't remember the phrase "most important ever" being used until Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority/Silent Majority movement came along in 1979, but I could be wrong. I will credit him, however, for creating this mess.
1980-Jimmy Carter vs Ronald Reagan (most important election ever);
1984-Walter Mondale vs Ronald Reagan (most important election ever);
1988-Michael Dukakis vs George H. W. Bush (most important election ever);
1992-Bill Clinton vs George H. W. Bush (most important election ever);
1996-Bill Clinton vs Bob Dole (most important election ever);
2000-Al Gore vs George W. Bush (most important election ever);
2004-John Kerry vs George W. Bush (most important election ever);
2008-Barack Obama vs John McCain (most important election ever);
2012-Barack Obama vs Mitt Romney (most important election ever);
2016-Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump (most important election ever);
2020-Joe Biden vs Donald Trump (most important election ever);
Anyway, it happened again when I was listening to a video yesterday. I was curious about the title and wondering if any of these so-called-prophets had had the guts to actually tell us who we needed to vote for, you know, since they claim it is a sin not to vote, I figured it would be easy enough to let us know which one of the candidates God wanted us to help Him with... after-all I'd hate to vote for the wrong person... that would be just as big of a sin as not voting, wouldn't it?
Well, I was disappointed again--led astray by the click-bait-title! Maybe they are just a bit concerned about their 501(c)(3) tax exempt status... much better to slight God's people and maintain their relationship with the government, and their money, I suppose.
Title: Will Donald Trump Be Re-Elected in November? (feat. Mario Murillo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSMqeJvvXGg (20 minutes in).
If you have nothing better to do than listen to the whole pathetic video (like me) then you'll find out that apparently there are some "prophets" (somewhere... I can't find them) that are bold enough to predict an election. Of course, they have a caveat if they somehow didn't hear God clearly concerning their prediction, viz. ME, I'm not voting.
I did learn a few things though:
1) "Prophets" don't use "thus saith the Lord" anymore, without caveats, because God seems likely to change His mind if certain of us don't vote. In other words, if God gives a word to His prophets, His words might cause His people to become overconfident and hence, passive,(hey, I don't need to vote--God has already told us what He's going to do!) making His word invalid, which begs the question--why prophesy anything? That should help to get me off of the hook, at least a little bit, because I wasn't going to vote anyway and He probably has that figured into the prophecy already. (Thank God for His OMNISCIENCE, well, in my case anyway!)
2) Daniel's prayers in Dan.9, for Israel to be restored after the 70 years of captivity that Jeremiah prophesied about, wouldn't have happened if he hadn't prayed and humbled himself. No, it might have been 80 or 90 (even more) if Daniel hadn't prayed... Jeremiah should have added himself a caveat, I guess. Anyway, I know that God knows how to raise up people to pray, so the prophecy would have certainly been fulfilled, one way or another, but that's not what I learned. I found out that voting, and working to get people out to vote, (without endangering the 501(c)(3) by actually promoting a candidate) is now the modern equivalent to praying. Who knew!
I could go on, but this is already way too long, and given my sinful state, I doubt I'd convince anyone to consider that God just might be able to make His choice between "this evil, or that evil" in the upcoming election without my vote:
Dan 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
I want to believe!
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13591 is a reply to message #13590] |
Thu, 22 October 2020 13:59 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
Mark L Messages: 848 Registered: October 2006 Location: Canada |
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Heh! The matter is settled then. Its vote or sin. Or something like that. At least in America you have an election that's the most imprtant ever.
Here in Canada (where things are done correctly BTW) we just averted an election. The reason being the governors of our land (who have a minority gov't) didn't want to hand over documents dealing with some corruption issues. So they called the vote a confidence issue which means the gov't falls and a (most important ever) election is called. Which nobody wanted.
Anyway I digress as we're talking about your sin here. A suitable penance would probably be to watch youtube video until you have the definative answer on what the prophets are saying. Actually that is probably a fate worse than death so we should let that go.
I'll subject myself to watching that video this weekend when I have more time. I'll fortify myself with oranges and flavored water (I'm on a diet) and get through it.
That Dan. 4/17 vs is one of relatively few in the bible where God speaks directly and clearly on this important issue. Its a wonder that more christians with strong partisan beliefs don't read it.
You can read "Meanderings on Scripture by Mark
https://mlederman.substack.com/
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13593 is a reply to message #13592] |
Fri, 23 October 2020 05:18 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
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william Messages: 1458 Registered: January 2006 |
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Alright guys, I really need some validation here... I just read an article from John Piper (one of the best known evangelicals in the nation) and I can't really believe he said what I think he said.
Let me explain for those unfamiliar with the way he writes (and preaches!) Maybe it's his education, idunno, but one can usually walk away from one of his articles and not really be sure if he's for it, or against it (just concerning controversial matters, he's pretty clear when he refers to most other things).
But on this issue (who to vote for, voting in general, the candidates, etc.) if I'm understanding him correctly, I'm completely stunned with what he said. Now you'll need to read the whole thing and you'll need to read it again, probably, (at least I had to!) but can anyone confirm that he said what I think he said? I'd tell you what I think he said but you might be swayed by my un-clearness! I know, I'm clear as mud here, but... just read it:
https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/policies-persons-and-pa ths-to-ruin
Blessings,
William
[Updated on: Fri, 23 October 2020 05:24] I want to believe!
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13602 is a reply to message #13595] |
Sat, 31 October 2020 22:49 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
Mark L Messages: 848 Registered: October 2006 Location: Canada |
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I've been avoiding watching this since it is everywhere and I don't give a lot of credence to all the prophesy going around but it was right in front of me so I watched it. I also don't really like Pat Robertson for a number of reasons. He did however say and do a lot of right things back in the day so I thought Oh well give it a shot.
I was surprised as he was very specific. Trump relected 2 attempts on his life civil disorder and mass confusion both in America and in the world.
Most prophecy these days is of the general and vague variety. What caught my attention was his pointing to the war of Gog and Magog folowing these happenings. I know it is on the horizon but I wasn't expecting anyone else to be saying it. Maybe I'm too cynical. I found his remarks that mass confusion in America along with wars and disorder in the world opening the door for the Gog war quite interesting to say the least.
I guess we'll find out in a few days. Anyway I only watched the first half.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5izJ9KCug
[Updated on: Sat, 31 October 2020 22:55] You can read "Meanderings on Scripture by Mark
https://mlederman.substack.com/
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13610 is a reply to message #13609] |
Mon, 09 November 2020 00:42 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
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Gary Messages: 1025 Registered: August 2008 Location: Indiana |
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william wrote on Sun, 08 November 2020 00:26Trump may or may not concede, but those "prophets" aren't conceding anything yet!
I think they got it about right when one of them said:
Quote: "Either a lying spirit has filled the mouths of numerous trusted prophetic voices in America or Donald J. Trump really has won the presidency and we are witnessing a diabolical and evil plan unfold to steal the election."
I can say amen to that!
Blessings,
William
Someone pointed out that Al Gore went 37 days saying he was the president. When all the votes finally came in it turns out he was wrong.
I just heard that Arizona went from blue to white, there seems to be a lot of fake ballots turning up at the polls. I know locally the liberals were pushing for everyone to send in their ballots, one news commentator went so far as to say there was a good chance you would catch covid-19 if you went on election day.
It's interesting that the liberals have all been calm as could be through this whole process.
The problem in America is we have murdered 60 million babies, endorsed having operations for young boys to become girls, took prayer out of the schools, now if a man has an operation and becomes a transvestite he can have a court order and have his birth certificate changed to say he was born a woman while the truth has been erased from the birth certificate. Wickedness has come out of the closet.
Now in some states they are burning Bibles in the streets, and Christians are told they cannot sing in church. If someone is protesting in large groups looting and burning nothing is mentioned about spreading covid. In the local paper they just stated that small groups of worship was now a concern because they were spreading the virus. In fact they do not want small groups to meet in homes.
Never thought I'd see all of this going on in our lifetime. My how things have changed.
If a man (true prophet) is hearing from God then it will happen in God's timing not mans and its very possible that this all could turn around and change. I honestly don't know of any man that I would think is a true prophet of God but they could be out there.
Some of these groups think violence is the way to get change I guess they never heard of Ghandhi.
In Him,
Gary
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13612 is a reply to message #13609] |
Wed, 11 November 2020 00:21 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
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Gary Messages: 1025 Registered: August 2008 Location: Indiana |
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william wrote on Sun, 08 November 2020 00:26Trump may or may not concede, but those "prophets" aren't conceding anything yet!
I think they got it about right when one of them said:
Quote: "Either a lying spirit has filled the mouths of numerous trusted prophetic voices in America or Donald J. Trump really has won the presidency and we are witnessing a diabolical and evil plan unfold to steal the election."
I can say amen to that!
Blessings,
William
Don't know for sure what is taking place anymore.
I heard Disney bought out Fox News. Mark Zuckerberg paid out 350 million dollars to key states. All the media refuse to report on what is taking place, Do they think they can just pull off a political deception that all the democrats just look the other way.
This is unbelievable what is taking place in this country right now.
For a long time I thought the liberals never played by the rules but just did whatever they thought they could get by with. Trump should declare Marshall law until this is resolved that is the only thing that would get every bodies attention.
Well this could be the beginning of the end of this country as we know it.
I'm glad we know the Lord just remember, He will never leave you nor forsake you. He is for us and not against us. If He gave His only Son to die for us He will keep us to the very end.
Psalm 121 I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2 My help cometh from the Lord, which made heaven and earth.
3 He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
5 The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand.
6 The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.
7 The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
8 The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.
In Him,
Gary
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13616 is a reply to message #13612] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 01:09 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
james Messages: 2138 Registered: April 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL |
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God said that He reigns over all and that He is sovereign, He said to trust in Him and not be afraid. I chose to believe Him.
He said to praise Him and bless His Holy Name...
Praise Jesus, bless His Holy Name.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Re: No vote = SIN! [message #13617 is a reply to message #13616] |
Mon, 23 November 2020 01:16 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) |
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william Messages: 1458 Registered: January 2006 |
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james wrote on Mon, 23 November 2020 01:09God said that He reigns over all and that He is sovereign, He said to trust in Him and not be afraid. I chose to believe Him.
He said to praise Him and bless His Holy Name...
Praise Jesus, bless His Holy Name.
Amen!!
I want to believe!
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