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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2725 is a reply to message #2722] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 09:55   |
 JWBTI
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Got a question for you all .......
The Term: Peer Pressure,
Is that just another way of saying ?.......It's not my fault.....The devil made me do it....Hobart made me do it that way....
Faith Assembly or my husband an or wife foced me to Believe an act that way.. It's not my fault, therefore I can not take
responsiblity for my own actions ?........ What say ye Brothers & Sister ?
Ron
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2726 is a reply to message #2725] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 12:58 |
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NBF56
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| JWBTI wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 05:55 |
Got a question for you all .......
The Term: Peer Pressure,
Is that just another way of saying ?.......It's not my fault.....The devil made me do it....Hobart made me do it that way....
Faith Assembly or my husband an or wife foced me to Believe an act that way.. It's not my fault, therefore I can not take
responsiblity for my own actions ?........ What say ye Brothers & Sister ?
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It can be used as an excuse, no doubt. And some may have used it that way. Not pointing fingers at all. I don't believe that I have used it as an excuse. I know that the peer pressure existed, but when it was directly applied to me, I chose to leave. I'm not trying to justify myself, at all. I knew there were things that weren't right, and teachings that weren't right, but until I was faced with an ultimatum, I stayed because I felt the good outweighed the bad. But when I was confronted with an unbiblical ultimatum, upon which rested my future participation, it wasn't hard to leave, from the standpoint of biblical truth. It was hard to leave the friendships we had developed behind, and it was an adjustment to not have our lives so invested in that one body of believers, 4 times a week.
But, back to the issue at hand, the "Flip Wilson Defense" (The devil made me do it) and all of it's variations (My husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend/kids/neighbor/Hobart/Bruce /etc.)is not a valid excuse. It is trying to explain away one's own lack of convictions, and/or one's own fear of taking a stand, or of being responsible for one's own thinking and actions.
Until you must take a stand, declare your position, declare what you believe, stand up to those who try to get you to go in a direction you don't want to, or don't think is right, until you actually stand up and resist the pressure against you, do you really know for sure what you believe? Do you have any objective or concrete proof? Can anyone else point to you and say, "I know what ______ believes, because of _______"? What have you done that shows what you believe to others? Is there anything, other than your say-so, that stands as evidence of what you believe?
Those who appeal to peer pressure, are not taking that stand, providing that outward evidence, are not taking responsibility for what they did, do or are about to do. They want cover if it fails, but want all the benefits if it succeeds. If it succeeds, they will say "Yes, it was by faith, I stood fast, etc.", but if it fails, they will say "'They' made me do it, it wasn't my fault, I didn't have a choice....".
Just my 2 denarii......
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2767 is a reply to message #2725] |
Fri, 15 August 2008 00:57 |
JWBTI
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NBF56:
Brother thanks for your 2 denarii...... That was Priceless........
Thanks for your honest an up front reply...
Hombre:
Sorry if I bumped into you on that trail: Ref Peer Pressure.
If ya know where I'am going....Tell me....My GPS quit working.
Seriously now..... thanks for your reply.......Brother...
Ps: I do plead guilty to ignorantance tho....I don't have a lot of book learning an my writting skills are a little crude, if I
have offended any by my bluntness or my pointed question.....I ask for forgiveness......
Blessings
Ron
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2768 is a reply to message #2767] |
Fri, 15 August 2008 01:40 |
james
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No offense taken here...Book learning is over-rated; life experience in invaluable.
Look at the first 12 chosen; they had various degrees of education, social status, professions, and temperment.
He don't want a bunch of cookie cutter followers, He just wants obedience.....'FOLLOW ME'
'But now hath GOD set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased Him.' I Corth.12:18
You have been given spiritual gifts and purpose that only you possess, which is needful in the body.
Just as each one of us has different gifts and callings, when combined, results in a fully functioning organism called the body of Christ.
A man named Hobart Freeman taught me this...
Ron, your boldness and willingness to trust God without fear of peer pressure, is inspiring to me...Never let man talk you out of the faith that's been given you.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2770 is a reply to message #2769] |
Fri, 15 August 2008 12:44 |
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| grandom wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 07:02 |
Peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure. Can we ever beat a horse into the ground.Peer pressure is a part of life like it or not. Matter of fact it is commanded in the Bible. Read Mat 18:15-18. If that's not peer pressure I don't know what is. Many other scriptures tell us (paraphrasing) here "don't hang with the bad guys they`ll bring you down." Like wise we are commanded to be of one mind. Some where along the line peer pressure is in effect. There is good peer pressure and obviously bad peer pressure.
How about an example of good peer pressure right here on the forum. How many do us beat jisamazed on the head about Todd Bentley. Now it comes out that what we knew (not suspected) was true. But Jis was only concerned about his four and no more , or whatever the number is up there in Gr. Rapids. Apparently he is not concerned about the body as a whole. A cancer like that effects the whole body and even the so called experts who sat back are now coming out denouncing it (with red faces) may I add. I do have to give the boy credit. He didn't submit to peer pressure even if it was good.
Were there people at FA that submitted to peer pressure. Absolutely I guess from reading the posts. To those I say That was 30 years ago. GET Over It. Yesterday is history. Tomorrow (if it come) is a mystery. Today is the present we have from the Lord. Doesn't it say this is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Mark 11:24 has a great promise but there is also verses 25 .and 26. They are based on wether we forgive.
I believe you said it best the other day James. Now my ankle is broken also from getting off my soap box. 
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Wow, I've never thought about it in that light before... that's some good stuff there Grandom!
Broken ankle? I sure couldn't tell; looks to me like you "stuck the landing!"
Okay team, you've done great in the individual soap-boxing events, but we've got to make sure we are all on the same page when it comes to the peer-relay. Focus; focus; focus.
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2789 is a reply to message #2774] |
Sat, 16 August 2008 12:21 |
JWBTI
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Hombre wrote:
....my point is only that we cannot force or coerce others into faith through pressure, but we can hold forth the light, as He does, creating inspiration without condemnation....after all, isn't that how He has treated you?
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Rons reply:
Brother I agree with you 100 % on this......
Over the years I have had to fight for my rights to trust God at this point.......
Be it oppostion from family,police,child protection services and church people
So when it comes to the subject of Divine Healing....
I get a little defensive.....or like in your face..
Everyone has the right to walk whatever path they desire, it matters nothing to me either way......
But give me that same right an dont belittle those that it does work for.
Over the years as you know the Peer Pressure excuse has been used along with the other excuse........
Well.... HEF died...Stan Hill died...Bruce died...all those other people died an they had Faith......so may be it
really doesn't work !
People died thru out Bible for many different reasons..people die every day in the Hospitals an
Nursing Homes, does that stop anyone from going to those places....Nope !
The Word of God stands True an Faithfull to all the Promises reguardless of what man has done.
As for the Subject of Divine Healing........it will never go away.....As long as you allow me to post on this Board.
Blessings
Ron
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2801 is a reply to message #2792] |
Sat, 16 August 2008 16:08 |
james
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Ya'll can use all the 'peer pressure' you want; but you can't bind me by your legalistic judgements....
Womens Beach volleyball rocks... 
just kidding...( I do enjoy track and field and swimming )
[Updated on: Sat, 16 August 2008 16:11]
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Hobart Freeman, A man of God or a deceiver? [message #2827 is a reply to message #2769] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 16:58 |
jisamazed
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| grandom wrote on Fri, 15 August 2008 07:02 |
How about an example of good peer pressure right here on the forum. How many do us beat jisamazed on the head about Todd Bentley. Now it comes out that what we knew (not suspected) was true. But Jis was only concerned about his four and no more , or whatever the number is up there in Gr. Rapids. Apparently he is not concerned about the body as a whole. A cancer like that effects the whole body and even the so called experts who sat back are now coming out denouncing it (with red faces) may I add. I do have to give the boy credit. He didn't submit to peer pressure even if it was good.
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It took me a while to get back to you on this one. Grandom, it has nothing to do with "us four and no more". I would really like to release a statement about the Lakeland thing and Todd (which are distinct, but overlapping), but responsibilities to my church, family and work are more important. Much as I like this forum, it is not a top priority for me, sorry to say. I have expressed my commitment over and over to the body of Christ as a whole. You and Hombre and thrash out the theological implications of that term. It is not fair for you to expect me to make some sort of pronouncement as if this forum is supposed to be a top priority. I am focused on helping people who are addicted to alcohol, have marriages that are breaking up, helping to clear up their theoligical confusion, etc... These have to come first before the research on Todd Bentley. That whole scene will fade over time, but my friends need my help right now.
It's not just about resisting peer pressure. I just can't do it. And I don't think I need to so much anymore. Between Todd baptizing people in the name of "Bam-bam", getting divorced and getting power from his tatoos, more and more people are starting to realize that maybe he is not what they originally thought he was. Nevertheless, we can still pray for him.
Amazed smitten astonished stunned floored blown away astounded shocked flabbergasted surprised wonderfully devastated awed shattered overwhelmed incredulous speechless sense of wonder at the love of God.
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