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| Asking for prayer [message #6418] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 02:14  |
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Greetings all,
First, thanks for all your answers & blessings.
I thought I had better start a new topic as the last one travelled away a bit.
This weekend, John Mellor is holding meetings in our town. I don't know much about him, but I just glanced at his website, http://www.johnmellor.org/.
I am writing to ask for prayer for these meetings, please. Normally, I don't go to meetings, but I have family & friends going looking for healing,
My friend's nine month-old grandson was born with very, very limited sight, That family are really seeking the Lord & standing on the Word & the Lord has brought them so much closer to Himself over the last few months.
One family member is looking for deliverance from addictions, knowing she has failed over & over when looking to be set free. She is skin & bone.
Another one who has trusted the Lord for healing for many years is going with the mindset either the Lord heals or she will seek other alternatives. It is quite a serious case.
Another one is going but he is planning on leaving his bad marriage & going into another relationship.
& there's more.
So, my writing is to ask for prayer, that the Lord will meet these people who don't know how to get out of their messes.
God bless,
sincerely
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6419 is a reply to message #6418] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 17:37  |
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Hello Sincerely,
I went to John Mellor's website and did some reading. If I may, I suggest you go to the FAQS section and read the 'Questions about Healing' written by Peter Cavanna. He writes several things that are contrary to what The Word teaches about healing, #3 & #6 definately don't line up with the Bible. I don't know anything about the man either, but I caution you concerning who you allow to lay hands on you.(that's not saying anything against John Mellor, just good advise, be discerning.)
Maybe The Lord will show mercy on your loved ones, and I'll be praying that He will, but going with the mindset of either He heals me or else(after trusting The Lord for many years) go to another source of healing doesn't line up with Bible and seems to be trying to 'force' God. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying, if that's the case, forgive me...I'm not trying to be critical or tell you what to do, I just see problems with what they have posted on his website as not being scriptural.
Praying over and over for healing(or anything else) is an indicator that the person wasn't in faith the first time(Mk.11:24),if that's the case then they should repent and pray in faith and settle it in their heart that God's promises are true and act upon it. It seems as though the encouragement to keep coming back for prayer and continuing to take medication is not Godly advise, if I understand him corectly, and what he wrote was pretty plain. Maybe that's all the light they have on it at this point in his ministry and God is honoring his faith and the faith of those seeking healing.
Anyway I felt lead to share with you about being discerning and apply the wisdom God has given you in dealing with this situation. May He be merciful to your loved ones and deliver, set free, and heal them.
I will be praying for you and yours, as will, I'm sure others here on OO.
God bless,
james
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6420 is a reply to message #6419] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 20:35 |
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Thanks for your reply, James.
I just finished reading the FAQS section, At least I have a bit more insight on where he stands.
The examples I wrote are about desperate people at the end of their desire to go on struggling. I am very aware of crumbling going on in the faith of some of them. That is why I am asking for prayer, standing in the gap for people who are already making plans to let go because they feel they have no way out. One has struggled with pain most of her life & is planning on marrying soon. So, what only affected her where she was willing to go on walking by faith, now affects another person, who wants her to go to the medical system. Then we get into, should she be marrying this man. My main course of action can only be prayer.
My main desire in life has been to see my family made whole & fulfilled in Jesus Christ. This has been my main prayer focus. You become identified with them, a bit like Moses & the Israelites. I didn't arrange for these people to go to the meetings. They are going looking for God to heal them, because others have testified of being healed in these meetings, so I am asking for prayer, that the Lord will meet these people who don't know how to get out of their messes.
It is terribly hard to write clearly so that others know where we are coming from. I appreciate what you wrote, James, I don't think you misunderstood the mindsets of my family. My concern is more like if the Lord doesn't meet them, they are heading in the wrong direction.
I believe the Lord told me, that there are four ways the enemy would bind us so that we are not free to be whom God made us to be, being, sickness, addictions, debt & unequal yoking to unbelievers. We are dealing with a lot of this, now.
Clear as mud?
God bless,
sincerely
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6421 is a reply to message #6420] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 21:05 |
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Yes, it's clearer to me now. I see that your family needs God to meet them where they are(just as we did when He mercifuly saved, healed and set us free when we might not have had all the 'light' on the deeper truths of God's Word and was in 'messes' of our own.)
While we may at times have trouble communicating our thoughts and what's on our hearts, I had no trouble understanding that they need help. I just didn't know if you had any experience with this man's ministry and wanted to give you the information I'd read.
I agree with you for God to show them mercy and heal, save, deliver, and whatever else is needed in their lives and will be praying accordingly.
Looking forward to some good testimonies from 'down under'... They don't know how blessed they are to have a family member who's willing to stand in the gap for them...
Acts 16:31 ...and thy house.
james
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6422 is a reply to message #6421] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 22:19 |
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Thanks for replying James.
People sometimes say, "You are good to be so good to your family" etc etc. I helped a friend with her computer & it was beyond her to think someone would give up time to do that. I said to her it wasn't a chore & it truly wasn't. Going to the Nursing Home every Saturday for ten years wasn't a chore, nor an attempt to feel good. Ask me to sew a dress for someone & that's a different story, lol.
When God puts His love in your heart for His people whether His chosen race, your family, friends, even enemies, it isn't a chore. We are just His representatives, the only way some people will ever see Jesus. Probably, the best thing I ever realized was that my righteousness is as filthy rags. If Christ reigns & rules in me, then that is LIFE. Got a ways to go, you know, but, you walk where you need Jesus every day for years & self doesn't get up like it used to.
A man told me he prayed for me for ten years before my rock bottom, Jesus pick up, experience in 1980. Do you know how humbling that is to know he cared enough to be faithful all those years when he hardly knew me?
By the way, I had some wonderful experiences at the Nursing Home. Wouldn't have missed them for quids. I was the more enriched from it all.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6426 is a reply to message #6425] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 23:23 |
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Thank God for Godly forebears.
My brother has traced our family history to about the 16th century. It seems there has always been believers on my mothers side. Lot of mess, but a heart after God goes down the line. Blessing to a thousand generations. Thank God for that.
I always say I knew God was real because my mother knew Him, She, also, had to know Him to survive. No wonder persecuted churches feel sorry for the western Christians. No wishy-washy walk in their situations. Praise God for your grandmother & my mum.
"Quids" refers to the English pound, so, wouldn't miss for lots of money. Two bob was two shillings, our now twenty cents. Love colloquialism.
I love Australia. Apart from Heaven, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The 1950's were almost perfect for a child to be growing up here. I would grieve for how we have ruined our Godly principles etc, until the Lord told me to rejoice because these things have to happen before His return.
Now, I need to do some work. It is terribly dry here & heading for 38 degrees C again today. Never seen snow & hard to believe you are in your cold season.
It is Wednesday morning here. I remember a lady from the US saying if Jesus comes back, could we tell them as we are ahead of you in time.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6428 is a reply to message #6427] |
Tue, 08 December 2009 23:35 |
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| moulder wrote on Tue, 08 December 2009 17:23 |
You and the persons you mentioned are in our prayers... and I'm looking
forward to hearing more from you!
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Thanks & Amen, brother William.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6432 is a reply to message #6431] |
Wed, 09 December 2009 21:54 |
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Good morning all from Australia,
Thank you for your prayers & replies.
Do I try to discuss what is being said, or do I just go on writing as if I am not thinking about your replies?
The night before my husband died, the hospital sent a lady pastoral care worker to try to be of help. She was a Catholic & said to me, "Was he a good man? Then, he will go to Heaven." I told her our righteousness was as filthy rags & gave her the Gospel message. The next day they sent a Baptist lady into our room who misquoted the Word & told me to let go & put it all in God's Hands. I said I couldn't do that for I knew if he had died that moment he was lost.
I believe there is a battle going on that the Lord expects us to take up the weapons He has provided & fight. Sometimes, it is prayer alone, standing on His promises. Sometimes, it is confronting in love. Whatever. After the Baptist lady had finished, a nurse who had lost her father a few months earlier took Des' hand & he squeezed it for salvation. I won't say what happened later as I don't want anyone else's opinion about the matter. I only know the Lord is faithful & His promises are Yes & Amen in Christ Jesus.
I believe there was a battle going on over Des right to nearly the end. They were going to give him morphine. I said, "What for?" They said to ease his pain. I said he doesn't have any pain. They said to make him more comfortable. I said he wasn't uncomfortable. Should I have stayed out of the situation and let God have His way? I was watching my husband slipping into eternal damnation. Did I save him? No. The Lord battled through me knowing Victory was His. Was it a peaceful time for me? That was the hardest four months of my life, so stressful & yet I value that time beyond words. I shared almost every moment with my husband except the nights he was in hospital. I showered him because he told the nurses I would do it. I slept on the floor a few feet away from him so I could tell when he was going to try to get up etc. It's not about me, even though it might sound that way. God's love is fierce for His people. Was it because we had such a wonderful marriage & relationship? It was thirty-eight years of conflict, but he was my life & I was his.
The day he died I felt a burden lift off my shoulders literally. I was no longer unequally-yoked to an unbeliever. It is important when we are set free not to open any door that would put us in bondage again. Every decision we make counts. They are either Life or death.
My mind is flitting everywhere so I hope you can understand me. I mainly just tell my experiences.
Love to all
sincerely
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6433 is a reply to message #6432] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 01:06 |
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| sincerely wrote on Wed, 09 December 2009 15:54 |
Do I try to discuss what is being said, or do I just go on writing as if I am not thinking about your replies?
My mind is flitting everywhere so I hope you can understand me. I mainly just tell my experiences.
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Sincerely,
Not that I'm an expert on writting or forum etiquette, cause I'm not, I'd never written anything publicly until I joined this forum. But I just try to answer someone when they address me; make a comment when I have thoughts concerning what another person posts; and try keeping in mind that what I write is also being recorded by The Lord and I'll have to answer for every word(but since I'm aware that He already knows even my thoughts...); I try to share what He gives me to share from His Word. Many times I just try writting down what The Holy Spirit shows me when doing my daily Bible study or devotional. When I post scriptures and comments in the Coffee Break section on the Bulletin Board, I don't expect a reply, usually(but anyone is welcome to share what The Lord puts on their hearts there). It's just for encouragement and edification, something to think about during the day.
There are times when several people are online at the same time(but not too often) and the dialogue becomes more like a chat. Some threads wind up being informational, with some rants, and some bring out more emotional responses. Some people have been members for years and never post, but they come in and read, there are quite a few readers(and that's great)...
So just share what's on your heart and follow the leading of The Lord.(Usually one can tell if a response is called for...every statement doesn't require an answer) I believe that we can use this medium to minister to one another and to those who will read what is written in the future. While we're not an 'assembly/church', we are part of the Body of Christ and we can still exercise the gifts of The Spirit and experience Body Ministry.(this may be as close to church as some of us will get)
I understand you just fine(and I think everyone else does as well), it's hard at times to write as fast as we're thinking. Sometimes I'll have something on my heart to share and before I can get it worded like I want and typed/pecked out, I lose my train of thought and scrap the whole thing.(I figure if it's from The Lord He'll help me with it, and when it's not, then it's not important anyway)
You mentioned our cold season, some of us are getting blasted by snow storms in the northern states, while some of us(William and myself) are having temperatures in the 60's. But that will soon end even here in the deep south, winter is around the corner(and I'm already counting the days til summer).
Those are my thoughts about writting, don't be concerned about being criticized and scrutinized, Elvis has left the building and there's just brothers and sisters in The Lord seeking to encourage one another...
Lord bless,
james
[Updated on: Thu, 10 December 2009 18:09]
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6435 is a reply to message #6431] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 21:37 |
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Dear GWB,
In prayer time this morning, as I prayed for a friend, I came to think about what you & I wrote in OO. It is not always understood where another is coming from.
My nephew thinks what will happen, will, because God is Sovereign. So, if your name is written in the Lamb's book of Life, you will be saved without man's input. My sister gives it all to God & goes on in life, same as usual, so I was writing with them in mind.
When you are sitting for six hours watching your husband moving down levels closer to death, you can only be looking to the Lord, at the same time making each moment count in love to the husband. I am not writing about my loss or "poor me". I am trying to show where I was coming from re praying for family.
I think you may have been coming at the subject from different experiences. Please forgive me if I seemed to be going against what you wrote.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6436 is a reply to message #6433] |
Thu, 10 December 2009 21:49 |
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G'day James,
I think you do understand me.
When I write, I think of a hundred ways I could put things & wander from what I really was trying to say. If I was speaking , it would be out there & done with. It is nice to see the OP's face, though. That way you can gauge if they understood you or if you have to elaborate further until they understand.
Writing is quite time-consuming for me for this reason. Hope I can continue with the friendships here whether I write often or not.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6454 is a reply to message #6418] |
Sun, 13 December 2009 15:57 |
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hi, before and after I read your post, the Lord was giving me a word of knowledge for you. It is not the will of God for Christians to give guidance to others for that would be taking the place of the Holy Spirit. so a word of knowledge comes by the Spirit and it is not personal guidence but is a help to those who hear it. Points to Jesus and his will. What I say to you is not me but came by the Holy Spirit. I believe he will confirm it to your heart since he sent it. In Psalms 1:1 it reads blessed are they who walk not in the council of the ungodly. Then he shows 2 Sam.5:18-25 David enquires of the Lord when the Philistines are attacking. Should we go up? Yes go. Then in v.22 Philistines attack again. David could have figured probably so since we won last time. But no he didn't presume but enquired of the Lord again. God reveals no don't go. He instructs a new direction and includes the winds blowing through the mulberry trees. Each new crisis is deal with by enquire of the Lord. 2 Chron. 16:9 part of verse-- the Lord shows himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward him. w/ Hosea 5:15 part of verse-- till they acknowledge their offence and seek my face. in their affliction they will seek me early. pride or independance from God will get his people in trouble. They need a child like spirit that seeks his council. God waits to be gracious to his people and desires that they come to him for council not the ungodly. Why is this so important?? because the devil waits to find opportunity to trap God's people by hasty decisions, the encouragement here is that nothing is to big or small to God and he values us coming to him to make decisions and get advice. You may not at the moment realise the danger you are in and that's why we who care for the sheep as watchmen are given the gifts of the Spirit to be a help. The lesson always enquire of the Lord yourself and seek his precious face for he cares for you more than anyone else. read Ps.31:1 ,22 then the whole ch.31 God bless in Jesus.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6458 is a reply to message #6454] |
Sun, 13 December 2009 21:03 |
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Dear brodav9.
Could you please explain the word of knowledge, as I don't really know what it means. What is the Lord saying to me, in other words?
I understood "You may not at the moment realise the danger you are in" but not what the warning is.
God bless
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6462 is a reply to message #6459] |
Sun, 13 December 2009 23:33 |
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Good morning Sage,
I did go to two meetings of the conference. As I wrote, my family & friends were going looking to the Lord for release, answers, healing, guidance, to get out of their messes; struggling, hurting people, not seeming to get anywhere, not understanding why the Lord doesn't seem to hear them.
I do believe the man has a Gift of healing. Some were prayed for & their pain left. As for my family, one was prayed for & I am yet to hear whether the Lord has healed her in any way. As for my thoughts, most of the teaching I heard was founded on the Word. Would I suggest anyone attend these meetings? no. Did I enjoy it? no. How was the worship? I got out of it what I put in. It is a struggling little church with a handful of members. They do the best they can.
Should I have gone? Possibly not, but I care enough about my family to show them I am standing with them, ever looking for the Lord to turn their lives around.
Thank you to all who prayed. I solidly believe release & restoration is the Lord's will, so will continue to thank Him for it till I see it.
I have looked at some of the music. I own two Steve hill tapes which have blessed us for many years. I loved a Tom Hamilton tape where they sang Obey my voice & I will be your God & I worship you, Almighty God which followed with Thou art worthy. Anyone have that tape?
I was listening to a sermon by Carter Conlon & they sang "I Love You Jesus" at the end. I googled it & found it here - http://www.hissheep.org/extras/real_music_listing.html I just love it, love the church singing it, too.
As for "O come all ye faithful" it was a hymn, not just for xmas. Can't beat the chorus for worshipping the Lord.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6463 is a reply to message #6458] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 01:12 |
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back to you, word of knowledge is a gift which allows us to tell the will of God. We are not allowed to give personal guidance example tell some one God shows me you should move to another place. The Lord is doing many good things for us. He may have someone see that a brethren are going to fly a plane that will crash. He has them intercede that they won't catch that plane. It is more dangerous than you know to go to the wrong meetings. Some people I knew have died from going to certain meetings. I was told one time in my early years not having enough teaching to get out of a meeting right now. I told my wife she said I know it I feel the same thing. I have seen people get hurt and carried out in a ambulance from certain meetings. Under a HF ministry it was told that a child was watching a medicine commercial, a demon came out and was trying to choke her to death. Many may not remember this. We must be under the blood wherever we go. To help you, what if you appear endorcing a ministry by going and the family member goes just because of that and embraces a humongus heresy. You then would try to get them out and they say no. You will feel bad then because you helped them in the wrong direction. Many preachers on the TV believe that Jesus Christ went to the cross as a sinner. That he became literally sin on the cross. God is revealing through the word of knowledge that it is dangerous to go anywhere without his leading. I can see by discernment that you are being made confused, The key is to pray and trust the Lord to lead your family, Independence is dangerous, God is looking for your safety. Some are atracted to ministers who preach principles of prosperity. Tithing is a law of the Mosaic. it was a command-- did you know that in Gal.3:10 it says whosoever is under the law is under the curse. That means that when they teach faith it is not working in their life because they are under the curse. they are just teaching a principle to get you to give to their ministry. I fyou support them you are a partaker of their sins. See how we can get in trouble so easy.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6464 is a reply to message #6463] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 01:34 |
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Dear Brodav9,
Thank you for your reply. I know what a word of knowledge is. I was asking you to make clearer what you were saying.
I now understand where you were coming from & I thank you for being faithful to share. I see where it may have looked to others that I was endorsing this ministry, but family & friends were going regardless of me. I don't enter a hotel in case I am a stumbling block to others, so I see what you mean.
I don't think I was confused, maybe caring over-rode carefulness to be sure of God's will before I went. I can't even buy a dog to replace mine who died a few weeks ago. I don't know what will happen in the near future re staying or leaving my home. It is a matter of waiting till I hear, so I do know what you mean. I believe it is crucial we are in the right place at the right time in this season.
God bless.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6465 is a reply to message #6463] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 01:51 |
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I have a question Dave, did you deliver the word of knowledge when The Lord told you to(as far as timing goes)? Because why would The Lord send a word to warn her after she'd already gone to the meeting? Is it a warning concerning the future, that she shouldn't continue to do it?
We know God puts 'gifts' in the church as He wills for our good and that a word of knowledge is certainly biblical, but like you used as an example about the plane crash, it wouldn't be of much use if the person given the word of knowledge didn't give the warning until after the plane had crashed.
Just wondering, as I imagine others are as well...
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6466 is a reply to message #6464] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 02:33 |
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Just a little background.
My best friend & prayer-partner was the Pastor's wife from this church we went to at the weekend. It was never my church, but I knew the people. Some of my family go there. She left my town a few years ago as the Lord wanted them to sow time into their family. She died last 3rd April.
Over fourteen years ago, Bev was in a car accident where she had hurt her lower back (two crushed vertebrate). While examining her, the dr found a lump, which was breast cancer. They found it was malignant. The dr's wanted to do radical surgery, with chemo & radiation. Bev was lying in bed. The TV her sons had put in the room was on & the news was about the Bosnian war. While praying to decide what to do, she felt God speak to her heart. If she was over there in Bosnia, what would she do. She answered, "Well, I would have to trust You, Lord," & that is what she did.
Without treatment, she only had a few months to live. With treatment, a few years.
Bev didn't even tell me she had cancer till near the end. She would just say she trusts the Lord for her healing like I do. Instead of a few months, the Lord gave her fourteen years.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6471 is a reply to message #6465] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 04:12 |
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praise the Lord, I think it is two things, but I appreciate your question. The word came to me this morning. So I believe he is instructing her concerning the future. Also it is a teaching needed being she asks questions, this must give indication that the Lord sees her needing to seek him**** first about things. I checked the Conlon thing and he is not taking a stand but straddles the fence on tithing. The example of the plane crash is where a person gets a word of knowledge, but not to tell someone but to intercede in the Spirit. My apologies for any unclearness. To be honest I fit in the Moses category I often have the word but am terrible sometimes in speech. To be clear I don't think I'm Moses. Thank you for your help Aaron oops I mean James. Unfortunately someone would think I'm being ugly, I was just being humorous. God bless, and may God by his grace lead us and enable us to do his will. I appreciate you all love.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6475 is a reply to message #6471] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 04:38 |
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Dave,
Nah, we don't think you're being ugly and humor is needful at times. I just didn't understand what you were saying and I figured if I,
having known you at one time, couldn't understand what you were trying to say, then others were probably struggling with it as well.
And since any time someone says The Lord is using them to instruct, teach, correct, prophecy, or give a word from God;
then we need to be extra dilligent to make sure it is understood. Cause we know that God is not the author of confusion,
and there's no point in giving something if no one understands it...
I'm sure you agree.
james
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6476 is a reply to message #6471] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 05:09 |
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God is revealing through the word of knowledge that it is
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I should have continued to read and I would have seen the quote above.
I'm still not clear as to how it fits together as a word of knowledge.
To me a word of knowledge is first of all direct and specific, secondly
it concerns a present reality. For instance God could reveal how much
change you have in your pocket (I don't mean to trivialize the word of
knowledge, it could be any revelation however serious or small). This
revelation isn't about what you need to do to get change, or how much
change you had yesterday, but it is a revelation about a present
reality--you have 7 cents in your pocket!
The word of knowledge has many uses and purposes in its operation. It
is useful in determining whether or not a person is lying for
instance... e.g. "This man is lying to you RIGHT NOW". It is useful in
grabbing a person's attention when God wants to say something to that
person. But as far as I understand it always concerns a present reality
not a future event (that would be the "word of wisdom").
The word of knowledge --"You've got seven cents in your pocket" would
seem to be the type of knowledge given in order to grab someone's
attention, or give credence to some other "word" that might follow. I
suppose it could be given to serve some other private purpose... like
this man needs money --GIVE HIM TWENTY BUCKS! But generally speaking it
would seem that the "word of knowledge" given would be the "word of
knowledge" shared.
It doesn't make too much sense (to my limited understanding) to say
"I've got a "word of knowledge about your situation and I'm not going to
reveal what it is but because I have a word of knowledge listen to this
exhortation".
Exhortation is also a gift. It can stand or fall on its own merits; it
doesn't need extra support like "hey, I am an apostle", "listen to this
message from Psalm 91". Just give the message from Psalm 91... whether
or not you are an apostle is irrelevant.
I've heard people say -- "I could prophesy this" and then proceed to
give a teaching or exhortation. Why? If you have a prophecy, give it.
If you have a teaching, give it. We don't need to add stuff to "seem"
more credible unless the added material is relevant.
This is an exhortation for us all. (I don't have a dream or vision to
give it "extra weight".)
Blessings,
William
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6480 is a reply to message #6479] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 12:27 |
David Coleman
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To all my brethren. I have had on my heart the scripture ( when the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord will raise a standard against him.) The Holy Spirit is wonderful and he has helped me to see the answer. I asked the Lord about it and was caused to see where things went wrong. After he had revealed to me what I shared ,then I read the posts. So I had no idea why God gave me the word for someone. I saw prayer was needed, and read all about sincerely. in #6418 it is where I saw this quote--when you and your family go to the meetings. -- I thought that the word I had was for sincerely. I found out that what I missed seeing was that God was using me to answer the prayers for sincerely. That God would give wisdom for her family. The wisdom came to me before I had known about sincerely. In a way it is for her, but it is something to give to her family. That they may be delivered from the dangers of going to future meetings which can be harmful. I praise God for his wonderfulness and pray sincerely will understand that God is watching over the prayers for her and her loved ones. I can see the enemy is disturbed ,and will use anything to pull God's praying people apart. My prayers are with you all. sincerely brodav9.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6482 is a reply to message #6478] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 21:25 |
sincerely
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Greetings in Jesus' Name,
Thank you for your replies.
What I meant by causing problems is that when I write people have "healthy discernments, questionings, and being held accountable discussions". Maybe that is what forums are all about, but I suppose I thought the Introductions & General section was for sharing. You see, I have lived with fighting for many years & the attacks didn't make me a better person. The Lord refined me through it all, but, in itself, it was a negative.
If someone stumbled (led by the Lord) upon this website, whether it be the fallen, the lost, the hurt, the rejected, the antagonistic, would they be drawn to Jesus & say, "I want what they have"? I want to be part of cementing not dissecting. Yes, I believe there is a place for correcting etc. or making sure you know where the person is coming from, but not looking for a fault in each other's sharing. People don't want it to be artificial, either, no false niceties, human praise, being built up in the flesh. They can see through that. I was hoping for a place to build each other up in the Spirit.
God bless
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6483 is a reply to message #6480] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 21:57 |
james
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A word of encouragement to all of us...
Sincerely wrote: "Sorry for causing problems, William. I think that is why I gave up writing last time."
brodav9 wrote: "I can see the enemy is disturbed, and will use anything to pull God's praying people apart."
OK, we know that the enemy is always disturbed anytime God is working in a group of people(whether it be in a corporate setting or individually), just because he's 'disturbed' doesn't mean we should roll over and allow him access to reek havoc. He has already been defeated and the only power over us he has is what we 'give' him.
And yes, he will use anything to pull us apart; he'll use our over sensitivity(allowing our feelings to be easily hurt or offended by what someone else says or writes or what we perceive they've said). We've all probably been guilty of this(I know I have)but what The Lord has reminded me more than once is, if I'm totally focused on following Him and daily seeking to submit to the death of the cross, these kind of things won't bother me. We've experienced division before and part of the way he pulled it off was basically, people misunderstanding each other and becoming offended. We should be sensitive to the voice of God and the leading of The Holy Spirit, but we must have thick skins in interacting with others.
I believe The Lord has blessed us with this forum and lead us here for a purpose(maybe everyone doesn't agree and views it differently than I, that's OK...But if you believe God directs your path, then......why are you here?) I KNOW The Lord has ministered to me by the encouragement and fellowship of fellow believers.
So the encouragement I want to share is this, let's all endeavor to keep the unity of The Spirit in the bond of peace, forbearing one another in love.(Eph.4:2-3) Speaking(writing) that which edifies and always giving each other the benefit of the doubt. And if The Lord puts something on our heart to share with everyone, let's ask for wisdom and understanding to write it so all can understand.(and even when someone doesn't 'come across' as understandable, ask for an explaination with a meek spirit, remembering our own selves could be in the same situation sometimes.)
***Sincerely, I had written this before I saw your last post, please don't allow ANYONE to cause you to become discouraged...I apologize for anything we(I) might have said or written that was hurtful to you. I am aware (now) more of what you've gone through lately and the need for Christian love and fellowship. My pointing out of things I'd read on the man's website was out of concern, but looking back knowing what I know now, I would not have said anything...The whole purpose of this post is the desire in my heart to see people drawn together in Christ and share with one another and encourage.
Don't give up, we need you and I believe you need us.
Lord bless,
james
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6484 is a reply to message #6483] |
Mon, 14 December 2009 22:25 |
sincerely
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G'day James,
Thanks for writing.
I am not discouraged, never was. I just don't see the value of not edifying. It was good you read the website more than I did & pointed out what I hadn't seen.
What I have gone through lately isn't that much harder than my whole life, so please don't think I am writing from hurt. The very things I have gone through have only caused me to have to have a relationship with the Lord.
Your purpose (the desire in my heart to see people drawn together in Christ and share with one another and encourage) is probably the desire in each of our hearts. I just don't see the church got anywhere from correcting all the time & don't want to go down that path myself.
I vaguely remember being told a story back in the eighties. The Lord met with a publican & he was saved. He said something like I have to change my ways & all the Christians thought, of course; God would be telling him to get out of his business, but he said God told him he had to stop watering down his beer. We all start somewhere & it's not in the same places. If the Lord had told me in the beginning I would have to go through certain things, I would have thrown in the towel then & there. Some are babes, some are toddlers & some think they are overcomers.
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| Re: Asking for prayer [message #6486 is a reply to message #6482] |
Tue, 15 December 2009 01:21 |
David Coleman
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Dear sincerely I can see that you and James read part of my message. I would appreciate if you would read it again. I know that we all are dealing with personality now. first I want you to know that perhaps in this situation we all can become better brethren. our hearts are being exposed and to the world that's not good. But to us it is wonderful because if you notice this conflict which was meant for evil, God meant it for good. Because it is drawing us together more than apart. I feel that out of love for each other we can adjust to any thing that we can in order to serve each other better. If I were in the flesh I might be pulled back-- but I am walking in the Spirit. As you all comunicate God is showing me deeper wisdom than you can imagine. In all honesty the less information I gave you, was brought out in my message. God was speaking to you but not for you but your family. If James didn't enquire I wouldn't have given the extra info. you needed. the number is--Mon. Dec.14 I didn't see a number that message was under brodav. I am not offended at brother in this situation. I gracefully ask that he be gentle as he can be for God's precious sheep. And also that he continue to protect sheep also. May God's grace keep us in the unity in the bond of peace as we have so many wonderful things waiting for us in the distant horizon of grace. The things God is getting ready to do are so wonderful and as we walk in the resurection life of the Lord Jesus, we are going to see the things of this world grow very dim. I am seeing some of that right now. press on to walk in the next dimension of the Spirit and hold on tight for the ride of your life. in Jesus love amen.
faith-- forsake all I trust him. Baal-- believe apostacy all lost. bible-- believe in bible life eternal.
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