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Sun, 11 December 2016 14:53   |
 Mark L
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I'd like to say with no disrespect intended to Gary or anyone else that I always have problems every time I have anything to do with Charisma. I just never go there anymore.
I think there is something very wrong spiritually in the background at their magazine and website and has been for a long time.
It may be something from the JDS people or it may be something else but there is definitely something wrong there.
[Updated on: Sun, 11 December 2016 15:26]
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| Re: Prophecy given in 2007! [message #12156 is a reply to message #12155] |
Sun, 11 December 2016 19:17 |
james
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The guy who spoke that was named Kim Clement, he just died a couple weeks ago. I agree with Mark concerning Charisma Magazine, their willing acceptance of most anything that comes along and printing it has always caused me to wonder about their discernment. Just a few minutes ago I went there to make sure that Kim Clement was the man I was thinking of who had died recently, and saw this heading: "Seeing Christ in Christmas Traditions" by Ruth Whitfield. OK, I won't go there, I guess that horse is about beaten to death.
But one of the quotes about the Clement prophecy that must have helped legitimized it to some there was this: "I have hair standing up on my arms right now." Again, the thing about prophecy sent from God, it always comes to pass as He wills. Obviously Donald Trump is whom He has ordained to be the next president of America, as to all the rest concerning him being a praying president and doing great things for God...I pray he does.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Prophecy given in 2007! [message #12157 is a reply to message #12156] |
Tue, 13 December 2016 10:56 |
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Gary
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Hi All,
While I sympathize with the comments here, and I'm not offended at all because I find myself in the same boat that everyone else is riding in.
Let me explain. Being brought up in the church we all associated with I find I always have the tendency to rate everyone with their doctrinal stance. Its ingrained in the system. Then when I look at all the churches out there they are doing the same thing. Their group has walls and they look out or refuse to look out at any doctrine different then theirs.
While I'm convinced doctrine is important where do we draw the line?
Jesus once said, concerning satan:
Luke 11:16-18
16 Others, testing Him, sought from Him a sign from heaven. 17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls. 18 If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? Because you say I cast out demons by Beelzebub.
I kind of wonder sometimes if the Kingdom of God is divided against itself and its manifested through churches and all their doctrines. Not the literal Kingdom, thankfully the Lord is in control of that, and it can never be divided.
Its possible there's no solution here and all the Christians out there will be at odds till Jesus returns. What's that old saying united we stand, divided we fall.
I was witnessing to somebody recently who needs some serious deliverance from demonic forces in his mind. During the conversation he mentioned he had been watching JM on television. My first thought was their into JDS and the prosperity gospel. But it would of done very little good to warn him of the persons doctrinal error. He needed "help" not to hear all that, so I just let him share what he was thinking about. But I did hate the fact he was listening to there doctrines.
The guy (Kim Clement), who gave the prophecy around nine years ago, who would of thought someone like Trump would of even been involved in politics at the time. Whether this was from the Lord or not I don't know its one of those lets and wait and see if it happens. I mean I could of pointed out he had long hair, and who knows what he wore on his feet. I hope you understand what I'm saying. The whole scenario was kind of interesting, whether charisma magazine wrote about it or not.
I thought we generally look at every ones doctrine or who they associate with before we make a decision. But I think in the back of my mind are we not grounded enough that we can rise above all this rhetoric and not feel like were going to be tainted somehow. Are we questioning if their going to heaven or what?
Only the Lord knows who is going to heaven.
James I was surprised you mentioned the thing with Christmas by Ruth Whitfield, shes probably some sweet old lady that doesn't know any better. Don't they celebrate Christmas where you go to church? Just chiding you brother, I find myself dealing with all this constantly. Someone invited me to a Christmas dinner last night, and they know I don't participate.
If you think about it, former FA people cannot even agree with each other. Makes a person wonder where is this all headed.
Don't anybody take anything personal here I have just wondered in my own heart about this whole scenario we see playing out in the church world around us.
Gary
[Updated on: Tue, 13 December 2016 11:25]
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| Re: Prophecy given in 2007! [message #12158 is a reply to message #12157] |
Tue, 13 December 2016 14:34 |
james
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| Gary wrote on Tue, 13 December 2016 04:56 |
James I was surprised you mentioned the thing with Christmas by Ruth Whitfield, shes probably some sweet old lady that doesn't know any better. Don't they celebrate Christmas where you go to church?
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 Yep! I'll bet you were totally shocked, me, knocking Xmas. Who woulda thunkit.
Of course they celebrate Christmas where I attend worship; don't tell anyone but I heard there's this one guy who goes there who doesn't, imagine that, a person who confesses Christ who doesn't think Christ is in the traditional holiday celebration. I just wonder what Santa will have to say about that...wouldn't want to be in his shoes, probably won't get his stocking stuffed.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Prophecy given in 2007! [message #12160 is a reply to message #12158] |
Wed, 14 December 2016 05:18 |
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william
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Ha! I bet you will get something for Xmas James, prolly black, hard, and will burn if you light it up!
But you know Gary is right (even if he can't see past the long hair and sandals!!!!) I'm kidding of course Gary, but in a way those kind of things have categorized us. We've used excellent doctrine to undermine our ability to minister. Maybe I should have just said that "I've" used doctrine to hamstring any chance that I may have had to help some people.
I remember early on reading 'Rees Howells: Intercessor' book and practically discarding it over his celebration of Christmas (something about God giving him a Christmas gift, or something of that nature). I know, petty stuff, but I was so discerning back then! <grin>
Anyway, I've watched some more of those youtube clips put out by 'the Last Reformation' and I'll say one thing, THIS is the mental picture of how I've always thought Christianity should work in our world and I don't think it's much different from what we read about in the book of Acts.
I've watched both men AND women WITHOUT any formal training going about doing the kinds of things that I believe all of us were born to do. Is it perfect? No, but that's kinda the point, they are willing to go out and do what Jesus said to do just because their eyes have been opened to the willingness of God to give the 'signs following' as they step out in faith. That humbles me.
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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| Re: Prophecy given in 2007! [message #12162 is a reply to message #12160] |
Wed, 14 December 2016 11:25 |
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Gary
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| william wrote on Wed, 14 December 2016 00:18 |
Ha! I bet you will get something for Xmas James, prolly black, hard, and will burn if you light it up!
But you know Gary is right (even if he can't see past the long hair and sandals!!!!) I'm kidding of course Gary, but in a way those kind of things have categorized us. We've used excellent doctrine to undermine our ability to minister. Maybe I should have just said that "I've" used doctrine to hamstring any chance that I may have had to help some people.
I remember early on reading 'Rees Howells: Intercessor' book and practically discarding it over his celebration of Christmas (something about God giving him a Christmas gift, or something of that nature). I know, petty stuff, but I was so discerning back then! <grin>
Anyway, I've watched some more of those youtube clips put out by 'the Last Reformation' and I'll say one thing, THIS is the mental picture of how I've always thought Christianity should work in our world and I don't think it's much different from what we read about in the book of Acts.
I've watched both men AND women WITHOUT any formal training going about doing the kinds of things that I believe all of us were born to do. Is it perfect? No, but that's kinda the point, they are willing to go out and do what Jesus said to do just because their eyes have been opened to the willingness of God to give the 'signs following' as they step out in faith. That humbles me.
Blessings,
William
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Sandals!! I was thinking more in the line of tennis shoes with three stripes on the sides.
Seriously, sometimes I wonder in we had the power like the book of Acts, we would also have the attitude which is: were right and we know for sure their wrong.  I was reading some post the other day on this board when someone was attacking these smiley faces. I'm glad you stood firm on that one.
It would take a rare individual who could handle a ministry with signs following in this modern day and age. Of course the two witnesses in Revelations didn't seem to let it affect them. To many toys, and not enough time to enjoy them. If you know what I mean.
BTW that new picture William, I can see some resemblance with your brothers picture.
Gary
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| Re: Prophecy given in 2007! [message #12163 is a reply to message #12162] |
Wed, 14 December 2016 17:41 |
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william
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BTW that new picture William, I can see some resemblance with your brothers picture.
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I see you struggle with passive/agressive-ism? <grin>
I just thought it might be time for a new one that shows I'm aging gracefully and haven't succumbed to botox!
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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