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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13628 is a reply to message #13627] |
Sat, 12 December 2020 13:50 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
james Messages: 2137 Registered: April 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL |
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I think you're having thoughts similar to the thoughts I've had for years and years. I usually unload on here something about pagamas, but since we're' preaching to the choir' what's the point except maybe therapy for writers. 😂
Speaking of idols, has not the conservative/Christian/right wing political party placed the president, Donald Trump, on a pedestal? They're (and I say they, but I do embrace the moral conservative values usually associated with the Republicans) flooding social media with doomsday predictions if Trump loses the White House. I don't know if the election was stolen, or if there was voter fraud or not, but I do believe in God's sovereign purpose and while I'd rather see prosperity and moral changes made in our laws and courts continue for the next four years, I rest in Him.
But I remember when Hobart Freeman died, how so many of FA followers clung to false hopes in his resurrection, about the falling away from the faith by some because things changed and didn't happen as he had said they would. Others woke up and realized their error in focusing on a man rather than God. This situation with our nation and elected officials remind me of that lesson, hope when the dust settles people will refocus on the real kingdom and the ONLY one we should have on a pedestal, Jesus.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13632 is a reply to message #13628] |
Sun, 13 December 2020 20:49 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
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Gary Messages: 1025 Registered: August 2008 Location: Indiana |
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james wrote on Sat, 12 December 2020 13:50I think you're having thoughts similar to the thoughts I've had for years and years. I usually unload on here something about pagamas, but since we're' preaching to the choir' what's the point except maybe therapy for writers. 😂
Speaking of idols, has not the conservative/Christian/right wing political party placed the president, Donald Trump, on a pedestal? They're (and I say they, but I do embrace the moral conservative values usually associated with the Republicans) flooding social media with doomsday predictions if Trump loses the White House. I don't know if the election was stolen, or if there was voter fraud or not, but I do believe in God's sovereign purpose and while I'd rather see prosperity and moral changes made in our laws and courts continue for the next four years, I rest in Him.
But I remember when Hobart Freeman died, how so many of FA followers clung to false hopes in his resurrection, about the falling away from the faith by some because things changed and didn't happen as he had said they would. Others woke up and realized their error in focusing on a man rather than God. This situation with our nation and elected officials remind me of that lesson, hope when the dust settles people will refocus on the real kingdom and the ONLY one we should have on a pedestal, Jesus.
I say amen to all three points.
1. There is a little bit of therapy involved!!
2. Don't know who to believe in the news any more. NewMax is the latest and the greatest. I heard the Chinese bought out disney who now own Fox News. Don't know if that is true but I do know the Chinese were buying a lot of property in California. Now there's a plan to defeat the country just buy it at market prices and move a billion people over to their new homes. Trump didn't help matters tweeting everybody and calling them names. I think if Trump got in we would see more rioting and looting. There's some real violent anti-gun people out there.
3. I think our meetings destroyed itself from the inside out. It's just by God's grace that anyone is still standing. I will always appreciate the theology background that was taught before it ended. The Lord is helping me and I know that He will never leave or forsake us. God is much greater then what we can even imagine. We know that God's Will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven. The Anti-Christ will try to run the planet someday. It may be sooner then we think even so I pray that God will count us worthy to escape all things that will happen on the earth.
In Him,
Gary
James look in your PM's I got to give you some information.
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13636 is a reply to message #13635] |
Mon, 14 December 2020 13:04 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
james Messages: 2137 Registered: April 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL |
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Obviously I'm not William, but somewhere on OO I touched on Dominion Theology, I recall that it's an error based on what I could find out online about it and those propagating it. Maybe William can find it, I hardly ever can find stuff on here that I've previously written.
I know sometimes you almost have to read between the lines when grasping what some teachers are saying. Maybe he meant that Jesus paid for our sins at Calvary, past, present, and future...But I know Christians sin after they're saved and confession and repentance are needed, but that's from our side... the penalty of death and shedding of innocent Blood has already been paid, once and forever Gods wrath against our sins has been appeased. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus precious Jesus paid my debt in full.
Maybe you could invite your pastor over for coffee and discuss the questions you have. 🙏
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13638 is a reply to message #13636] |
Mon, 14 December 2020 16:36 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
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william Messages: 1456 Registered: January 2006 |
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james wrote on Mon, 14 December 2020 13:04Obviously I'm not William, but somewhere on OO I touched on Dominion Theology, I recall that it's an error based on what I could find out online about it and those propagating it. Maybe William can find it, I hardly ever can find stuff on here that I've previously written.
I know sometimes you almost have to read between the lines when grasping what some teachers are saying. Maybe he meant that Jesus paid for our sins at Calvary, past, present, and future...But I know Christians sin after they're saved and confession and repentance are needed, but that's from our side... the penalty of death and shedding of innocent Blood has already been paid, once and forever Gods wrath against our sins has been appeased. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus precious Jesus paid my debt in full.
Maybe you could invite your pastor over for coffee and discuss the questions you have. 🙏
I've got to get that search function working!
Anyway, you can usually find something by clicking on your name and at the top it will have the number of messages that you've posted. By clicking on that you'll see all of your messages listed in chronological order (last thread to the very first). This might help.
I do this a lot when I'm going through some of the older threads that I've participated in... there's a lot of great topics that have been posted over the years!
Blessings,
William
I want to believe!
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13641 is a reply to message #13640] |
Wed, 16 December 2020 16:32 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
james Messages: 2137 Registered: April 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL |
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Well Gary, it's only been 35 plus years ago. lol
But with you living in Indiana you'd though someone would remember. Of course all X-FA people remembers, for good or bad.
On a side note, someone on FB was mentioning Sunday about the song, "Mary Did You Know", a very popular song in Christian circles. Terrible theology in the lyrics, of course Mary knew...Gabriel told her, she lived it. Luke 1:30-35
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13642 is a reply to message #13635] |
Sat, 19 December 2020 03:24 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
Mark L Messages: 843 Registered: October 2006 Location: Canada |
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Gary wrote on Mon, 14 December 2020 12:37
Also this doctrine on Sinless perfection. The minister at our church is saying that we our sinless. At first I thought he was referring to the fact that the Blood of Jesus cleanses us of all sin and at that point God sees us as sinless through the blood.
But Sinless from the time of our new birth is what he is telling us. Something doesn't sound right. If anybody has dealt with these doctrines appreciate any input.
In Him,
Gary
Interesting you should say that Gary. Something doesn't sound right is right. I originally thought he must have been just not being clear on his theology. But as you said that is what he meant. I've never heard of that.
Interesting I'm listening to Bro Freeman's deeper deliverance teachings again. On tape 263-1 Guarding against deceptions and delusions, he talks about sinless perfection being a delusion taught by lots of people and some denominations. He says it in context to taking up the cross. Why do we need to take up the cross if your sins are past and temptation too. Cross is useless to these folk.
Anyway, I thought I would throw that in as I'd never heard of it.
Read my Substack:
https://tinyurl.com/Meanderings-by-Mark
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13644 is a reply to message #13643] |
Tue, 22 December 2020 17:30 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](theme/default/images/down.png) |
james Messages: 2137 Registered: April 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL |
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Gary, I've been mulling over this for several days, there are many who believe they couldn't have been saved because our sins were dealt with by Jesus at The Cross; past, present, and future and if that is true then God's wrath must not have been appeased at Calvary by the blood of Jesus and we can be judged twice (like double jeopardy).
We know this can't be true or our position in Christ would be subject to change, and God's Word tells us no one can pluck us from His hand. There is a lot unsaid in scripture about them, but we do see example of a person being given over to Satan (I Corinthians 5:5) for the destruction of their flesh, yet their soul was saved. Hymenaeus and Alexander were also handed over to Satan for discipline.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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Re: Embedded Idols [message #13649 is a reply to message #13644] |
Wed, 23 December 2020 12:47 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](theme/default/images/up.png) |
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Gary Messages: 1025 Registered: August 2008 Location: Indiana |
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james wrote on Tue, 22 December 2020 17:30Gary, I've been mulling over this for several days, there are many who believe they couldn't have been saved because our sins were dealt with by Jesus at The Cross; past, present, and future and if that is true then God's wrath must not have been appeased at Calvary by the blood of Jesus and we can be judged twice (like double jeopardy).
We know this can't be true or our position in Christ would be subject to change, and God's Word tells us no one can pluck us from His hand. There is a lot unsaid in scripture about them, but we do see example of a person being given over to Satan (I Corinthians 5:5) for the destruction of their flesh, yet their soul was saved. Hymenaeus and Alexander were also handed over to Satan for discipline.
James,
I understand what your saying. Paul said shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid!
I heard a guy say in the pulpit that if he wanted to commit gluttony God would forgive him. Its a strange way of thinking.
In Him,
Gary
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