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| What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #207] |
Thu, 23 March 2006 15:54  |
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 william
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This is a quiz to determine what theologian you more closely identify with... too bad Hobart Freeman isn't one of those listed.
It is interesting and pretty short... give it a try. I couldn't believe the results it gave me so I'm not sure how accurate it is!
http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=44116
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #232 is a reply to message #223] |
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william
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I've been pretty busy myself... we finally got my mom moved from Mississippi to an apartment only five minutes away. This will be great for the kids as well for her.
Concerning the Steve Hill tape...
We, like most, collected quite a few tapes over the years. We received the automatics from Hobart, Steve, and Jeff all of the years we were there and a few from Steve after we moved back to Alabama.
About 10 years ago our tape players started eating the tapes so I figured that they had pretty much deteriorated to the point where they were unusable. After all, we had played them over and over for many years, listening to them before going to sleep every night, at work, etc. etc..
To make a long story short, we dumped them all into cardboard boxes and for all practical purposes, forgot about them.
About three or four weeks ago my wife and I found out that we had a closet Freemanite in our midst! One of our daughters had been listening to tapes in her room... I couldn't believe that the tapes were still usable so we gathered up all that we could find and she (my daughter) was going to organize them. When you mentioned the name of the Steve Hill tape my wife noticed the very one you mentioned on top of a huge pile of tapes! So that is how we were able to "lay our hands" on it so quickly!
ttyl, (talk to you later)
William
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #234 is a reply to message #223] |
Sun, 09 April 2006 11:33 |
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Hi Hombre,
Sorry it took me a long time to get back in answering your question about how I was introduced to Brother Freeman.
I was first introducted to his teachings back in the early 80's at a church I used to attend. Back in those days, we were known as a "word church". In that camp, there were "Freeman" churches and then "Rhema" churches (Rhema being Copeland, Hagin....etc.).
I was the tape man for a church that was a "Freeman" church. The leadership asked me to duplicate some of Brother Freeman's tapes and I was able to make some for myself as well. I mean, entire sets of theology, deeper life, faith...I was married to the tape duplicator! Well, that's how I got some of the tapes.
I eventually started getting the reel to reels and transferred them onto cassettes. I think you could tell if you came in my Paltalk room that some of the tapes were copies off of copies or transfers from reels.
I was on Brother Freeman's automatics as well as Steve's and Tom Hamilton's (still on Tom's) and eventually I got all of Bro. Freeman's, including the radio tapes.
So I guess that's how I got into Brother Freeman's teachings.
It's ironic...how many of those leaders, whose tapes I made for them, are still listening to those tapes or are still in the message now. I wonder what their reactions were when Brother Freeman passed away.
It is interesting...one brother in our church back then, who used to recommend and get books for our book and tape table, used to say, "We have the deep word" referring to the preaching by the pastor who would preach along the lines of what Brother Freeman taught. Later on, he would say, "You gotta watch out for that word coming from Indiana. They are getting into legalism." Oh consistency...thou art a jewel! He probably does not follow the teaching anymore either.
Which reminds me of my former pastor. He used to teach along the lines of what Bro. Freeman taught too. He no longer holds to those teachings any more. In fact, he was looking for some teaching on separation from the world and it's ways. I offered to loan him a set of tapes by Tom Hamilton entitled, "The Polluted Influence of the World." He asked me if he was "Freeman". I said yes. He said that he did not want them.
Well, my former pastor got into the liturgical church scene back in the 90's. I guess I don't want anything to do with that either! I won't sit under that mess again.
Perhaps I will share my feelings and experiences in that scene another time.
God bless.
Have a great day and week my friends!
[Updated on: Sun, 09 April 2006 11:37]
Mark S. Scaliotti
"Faith is trusting God for all things, in all things, and through all things, no matter what."
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #235 is a reply to message #234] |
Sun, 09 April 2006 17:22 |
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william
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I haven't heard anything concerning Tom Hamilton in a very long time. We never attended the Indy seminars but got a few of the tapes, including Tom's and we enjoyed hearing a style that was certainly unique!
Concerning the other things you mentioned--those who "follow the teaching." I'm never sure exactly what this phrase means.
I suppose it means different things depending on the individual doing the talking. For me, it doesn't mean following everything that brother Freeman spoke (I've been honest about that) but I do believe the principles he taught-deeper life, faith, healing, deliverance, and the rapture of the overcomers. The last being a subject of controversy even in the church I attend.
I know some have erected standards concerning these areas and some even pronounce woe to anyone not towing the line in every area.
I do see that, Biblically speaking, there are/were things that delineate some from others as when John says:
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1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us
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This verse of course has been mis-interpreted to mean that anyone who left Faith Assembly had left the faith.
What do you all think about this subject?
William
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #238 is a reply to message #235] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 01:45 |
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william
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I left Faith Assembly's outreach for a variety of reasons,
all of which are easily misunderstood and twisted by
a number of spiritual and intellectually blind morons,
the likes of which frequent a site familiar to all of us.
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Yes, I saw that. What surprised me was not the regulars but the other sympathizer that chimed in. Apparently some still need glasses!
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I summarize by saying that I agree with the theology that Hobart brought forth, and I disagree with the methodology pertaining to the practical application and interpretation of that material, by certain legalists, religious bigots, and tiny minded unregenerates represented by their father, the devil.
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Yep, I concur wholeheartedly. I've been converting some of the tapes to the mp3 format and in listening again to the teachings we received I can see how some of the statements by brother Freeman were taken and mis-applied by us. It kind of reminds me of the way William Branham's followers treated the things he said, basically treating them as inspired scripture. Don't get me wrong, I think that a pastor of an assembly has what is referred to as "pastoral prerogative" and can/should dictate some of the governmental aspects of how the assembly functions and operates. Especially since each member of the assembly is a reflection of the whole body.
Paul, in writing to the Corinthian assembly, shows some of what I'm talking about when he gives them instruction on how the assembly should function in the midst of the Greek society by not giving occasion to the enemy in their conduct. 1Cor 11, being one such example.
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Now.....I could care less what ANY religious or non-religious person thinks of me, however, I do care what the Lord thinks of me, and if He says: ' Hey there, Mr. Hombre, I don't want you doing that, or talking about that, because that guy who thinks he's healed will stumble all over that ', then I won't do whatever, or I simply won't tell that unsaved fellow about it.
But......since we are here in a forum to discuss our experiences
freely, and make a genuine attempt at discovering our humanity in light of what we know to be true; then I am assuming that anyone reading my postings, or postings of others here, has reached a level of maturity in which they are not here to filch material, posting it elsewhere without our express consent, to take it out of context, without presenting the full basis background thoughts with it, seeking to twist words to meet their end goals.
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Exactly. It's just like the devil to want us to dumb down the discussion so that even he can sit in and not be offended.
I was thinking the other day, as I was preparing a response to post on another board (not that one), that it would not be profitable over here (even though it was a pretty good post-if I can say so myself!<g>) because it would just be saying things that are already ingrained within our hearts. We, of course, can edify each other here. We also can get into some of the more controversial issues we grew up with, but it is impossible to deal with even these issues without offending... both those who think we have departed from the faith and those who think we are foolish for sticking with the theological underpinnings that are foundational for our lives.
So, like you, I'm determined to express those things that I know to be true, ponder those things I'm not sure about, and, in short, live life like an older person is supposed to live life--not caring too much for the way it comes across to those whose sole purpose in life is to whine about their past/present and even their future, blaming everything and everyone but themselves.
I do deeply care about people who might be caused to stumble, but for crying out loud, the people who sat under the teaching we sat under should be the last people on earth who would stumble--OVER ANYTHING!
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Let he who is perfect in these verses, be the first to cast their stones at me for reading newspapers, watching TV, and wearing glasses.
Until then, hold your peace.....nevertheless, I know that the detractors will not, because it is not in them to be of peace, or to peruse solutions, but rather to accuse others, as is their father's proclivity.
I remain, free.
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Amen to that!
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| Oddly enough I have no idea who Karl Barth is......but [message #359 is a reply to message #211] |
Mon, 13 November 2006 04:36 |
a barn kid
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You scored as Martin Luther.
The daddy of the Reformation. You are opposed to any Catholic ideas of works-salvation and see the scriptures as being primarily authoritative.
Karl Barth
100%
Martin Luther
100%
Anselm
80%
John Calvin
67%
Jonathan Edwards
67%
Augustine
27%
Charles Finney
20%
Paul Tillich
13%
Friedrich Schleiermacher
0%
J?Moltmann
0%
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| Theological Points [message #366 is a reply to message #364] |
Tue, 14 November 2006 06:17 |
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william
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Would you say my theology is in tune with what we were taught at FA?
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Yep, I'd say that you pretty much are in line with what we were taught. We would probably agree with the last two points if we could define them from God's standpoint, but alas, most try to define them from man's side, which is a mistake! We must realize our responsibility in receiving that "irresistible grace" and the responsibility to "persevere" lies with us, lest we find out that "once saved", might turn out to be "not saved". God's sovereignty coupled with man's responsibility was the title of one of HEF's books, I believe.
William
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| Re: Theological Points [message #2910 is a reply to message #366] |
Wed, 20 August 2008 20:40 |
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I just love test, I took it and was told to come back with a doctors excuse and both my parents...
And the results are, drum beat please....
Anselm______100%
Barth_______67%
Calvin______67%
Luther______67%
Edwards_____67%( no, not that Edwards)
Schleiermacher_67%
Hombre______67%
Grandom_____67%
Jisamazed____0% Opps! 
William, should I keep this on me at all times,
in case when Jesus comes He might want to see it?
I still think Zacchaeus wuz short...
And Apostles should walk....
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Theological Points [message #2912 is a reply to message #2910] |
Wed, 20 August 2008 22:27 |
james
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BTW: Could I get an advance based on commissions already due me?
And yes, you're probably right, I shouldn't offend anyone...
So my new opinion of Zacchaeus is that; while not as tall as some, he wasn't as short as previously stated,
and he might have even been much taller than many theologians concluded, thus proving once again that...
It's not the size of the dog in the fight...but the fight that's in the dog...( Michael Vick told me that)
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Theological Points [message #2943 is a reply to message #2910] |
Thu, 21 August 2008 04:15 |
Mark L
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Which theologian are you?
You scored as a Martin Luther
The daddy of the Reformation. You are opposed to any Catholic ideas of works-salvation and see the scriptures as being primarily authoritative.
Martin Luther
80%
John Calvin
60%
Anselm
47%
Karl Barth
40%
Jonathan Edwards
40%
Charles Finney
27%
Paul Tillich
20%
Jrgen Moltmann
13%
Augustine
7%
Friedrich Schleiermacher
7%
Barth was neo-orthodox. I think Tilich gets the label too not sure though. But he was on the liberal end of things. Neither of those two men would be considered evangelical like us. Schleiermacher was a liberal. Moltmann *I think* fits the label too. Neo-orthodox theologians were all liberals who saw that liberal theology did not fill mans need. So they came back to a form of orthodoxy. As a group they didn't believe in the new birth. Although at least one of them got saved. I'm reasonably sure my facts here are correct.
"God does not exist. Rather he is the ground of our being." That sums up Tillichs theology
Neo orthodox theology is very deceptive because it carries a lot of the same words & ideas we use. They don't mean the same though.
Barth ; when asked what was the most important bible verse or bible theology said "Jesus loves me this I know for the bible tells me so. (not sure of the exact quote here but it is substantially correct) Now how do you disagree with that? But he didn't even believe in the new birth.
I went back and took the test again this time making very strong agree or disagree. I came up with about 87% Barth as well.
"All christian theology must begin with the revelation of Christ." That is a very Barthian statement. How would you disagree with that?
Neo orthodox theologians would not be considered conservative or evangelical (which is what we are) by virtually anyone we would consider evangelical or conservative.
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https://mlederman.substack.com/
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| Re: Theological Points [message #2945 is a reply to message #2943] |
Thu, 21 August 2008 11:07 |
james
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Thanks Mark,
That was insightful info, which I didn't fully know/or remember.
Thankfully, our faith and relationship with Jesus is deeper than the results shown on these 'test'.
Theologians??? Sounds like some of them needed to readdress a few issuses there...but alas, it's too late for them...
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a work-man that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." II Tim.2:15
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #2948 is a reply to message #207] |
Thu, 21 August 2008 12:14 |
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This is a quiz to determine what theologian you more closely identify with... too bad Hobart Freeman isn't one of those listed.
It is interesting and pretty short... give it a try. I couldn't believe the results it gave me so I'm not sure how accurate it is!
http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=44116
Hi it's Believer 1 again. I regularly pop in to see what's happening on this site because it has been so instrumental in my return to walking with Jesus again. I look for postings that are current and this one I clicked on and decided I'd do the quiz, even though it was mentioned ages ago. My results were 100% CHarles Finney, 100% Calvin, 100% Martin Luther, 80% KAri Barth, 67% Johathan Edwards, 67% Anselm, 33% Friedrich Schleiermacher, 33% Paul Tillich, 33% Augustine, 0% Jurgen Moltmann.
I must admit that I hadn't heard of most of these people but after I did the quiz I thought I'd read up on Finney to see who this man was and in what way did he reflect how God was moving in my life now. I wasn't surprised to see that Finney had a slant on evangelism. I do know that since God has healed my bruised spirit through this site I have had a renewed insight given to me on how to witness to people, something that the legalism in Faith Assembly had robbed me of.
I am fellowshipping regularly on a Sunday once again and bible study mid week. I can't get enough of his Word and fellowship with the Saints of God. I am no longer that critical, frightened, hurting individua anymore. I see the powers of Satan being put under foot as I begin to pray and believe once again like I did before but I'm much wiser and smarter in Jesus these days.
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| Re: Theological Points [message #2963 is a reply to message #2961] |
Thu, 21 August 2008 17:38 |
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In addressing Hombre, Grandom wrote:
"all kidding aside, you do have a great grasp of the unwrinkled word.( most of the time)
Careful there with the compliments, bro Richard, we can't afford to let him get all big headed on us, else his mitre won't fit.
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: Theological Points [message #2966 is a reply to message #2965] |
Thu, 21 August 2008 18:05 |
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What kind of dictionaries ya'll got 'up there'? I couldn't find that word in mine...
And I was thinking maybe that was a word from your prayer language, and that you would interpret it at some point.
Shoulda known Hombre would figure it out. Eskimo huh? If ya'll say so...
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #2973 is a reply to message #2948] |
Fri, 22 August 2008 14:02 |
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Hombre wrote:
"...you have apparently been able to see beyond our 'personalities' to recognize that we are all here for the same reason you are:
to continue on in our walk with the Lord."
And all God's people said; AMEN !!!
I too testify to the grace of God in using this web site (actually the brothers and sisters sharing God's Word through it);
to strengthen me and remind me that what He placed within me many years ago has a purpose; and awakening me from out of my slumber.
So I say, 'HOSANNA, blessed be my rock, and let the God of my salvation be exalted.'
“But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us,”
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #3084 is a reply to message #3083] |
Mon, 01 September 2008 13:57 |
Mark L
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Tom still has his seminars in Tennessee yes. I posted the info here last year and will be doing so here again. The meetings have been arranged but the brochures haven't been printed yet at least as of 2 weeks ago. I or someone else will post the info here.
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"Meanderings on Scripture by Mark
https://mlederman.substack.com/
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| Re: What Theology Camp are you in? Quiz [message #3091 is a reply to message #207] |
Tue, 02 September 2008 14:58 |
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God is rethinking the way He's doing business now that man has gotten so much smarter.
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That's what you get when they are taught that God is only reactive to men's choices, and that they actually "activate" their salvation by their own choice to believe. There is no understanding of the unchangeable Nature of God, that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, the Eternal "I Am".
God's Wisdom is ageless, and Eternal. It does not change. It is NOT the "wisdom" of this world, which does change. Men have no natural ability to understand God's Wisdom, counting it as "foolishness", unless and until they are enlightened by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 2). Even those who have trusted in Christ will not automatically understand God's Wisdom unless and until they are enlightened by the Holy Spirit.
Instead, we see people running here and there, looking for "revelation", and wolves who are all too happy to tell them what they want to hear. It's small wonder that the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are spoken ill of, with all the fakes and charlatans out there.
But, God has reserved a remnant to Himself, who have not bowed the knee to "Baal", and seek Him and listen to Him, and know the voice of the Spirit.
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