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"Depart from me, I never knew you"...will ring in their ears for all eternity.


In order to know Him, you must spend time with Him.

Example: How do you get to know a friend? You communicate back and forth. You interact. You listen and respond. You share with one another. You get to "know" them.

Prayer is something that Satan hates most. One time I was fasting for one day and I had two people make negative comments to try to discourage me. BTW, they figured out for themselves that I was fasting. I was not blowing my horn or making a big deal of it.

After the fast, the situation I was praying about broke. It was as if He dropped a bomb on the entire matter. It was so awesome to watch Him move and honor prayer. Or in other words, Jesus and I communicated in this one certain fashion of prayer and He responded to me so we could know each other better. IMO

Praying on your knees, etc. is good, but I have to pray in my car, sometimes, in order to stay in contact with Him. He will meet you where you are at.

To those who think you have to clean up before you can go to Him, forget it. Cleaning you up is the Holy Spirit's job. However, you have to listen and respond, or obey if you will and He will take you deeper into your walk as you obey His voice.

Before I do anything in the spirit, prayer, deliverance, etc., I always confess sin and ask for forgiveness. Start with a clean slate.

Also, I heard something very pertinent about this subject. It was stated, "Prayer is an inbreathing of the Holy Spirit."

That statement helped me, personally, to enjoy prayer more and to understand its purpose. It helps when my flesh gets in the way.

I know of some who serve Satan and stay up all night in prayer for him! Some get up in the early hours and pray!

No condemnation, but how much more should we! Don't you think that these pagans, who live in the flesh as their religion, pray and expect an answer? You better believe it! That is the only reason they do it. You can be sure Satan accommadates them.

I know that we don't use prayer as a heavenly Santa Claus. But,I believe He will send a quick answer, at times, to encourage those who need it.

Most of the time for me, I see the answer much later. Also, the way He is using me to stand in the gap, I might not ever see the manifestation of things I am believing for Him to accomplish through my prayers. But, I know in my heart they are done and I truely rejoice and smile sometimes wondering how He is going to "pull it off."

The more rope you give Him, the more He can use you in prayer and in your walk. I call it, "Flying by the seat of your pants." I pray and I don't know how, when, or where it will happen. I just simply believe and let Him do it His way. Boy, it can be fun!

There have been times I had to live moment to moment to stay alive. I had to listen, respond, listen, respond, moment by moment. Sometimes, I still have to walk that way depending on the situation.

Simply put, God is just too big to pin down. He is too big to try and understand the way He moves. When I keep my head out of it, I think it more fun! Most of the time, I can look back, and see how He has answered my prayers and I get so tickled about it.

"Delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart." Psalm 37:4. In my early walk, I used this verse for prayer and He met me everytime.

Prayer can be very exciting if you allow Him to use you to move on His behalf!

Years ago, when I was first saved, I was on my knees asking Him if I should move to FA from Southern Indiana. I said, "I want to know now....I am so unsettled about it." The phone rang and it was a sister from FA. She told me that the Lord told her to call and confirm my move to FA. Boy, would the critics use that one!

Another time, when first saved, I had just moved into an apartment. I did not have an alarm clock and I had to get up for an interview. I asked Him to wake me up. That morning, I was awakened by a soft voice saying my name. I got up and did not know that this was an unusual answer to prayer for most Christians. He met me where I was at.

Another time, He woke me up 2:00 a.m. in the morning. I had just had a dream. I saw a 16 year old girl in a car crash. She was looking through a port hole and saw heaven. She wanted in but could not get in. I got out of bed and prayed in tongues until I knew I was done.

That morning, I was awakened by my clock radio, when people had them! lol The news was reporting about a 16 year old girl who had been killed in a car crash at 2:00 a.m. in the morning in our city. The radio said the exact name He had given to me early that morning. I know she went to heaven due to the intercession, all glory to Him of course. I could not go to work that day because I was so shaken and in awe. I was new to the walk and I was learning how real He was and still is.

He has stopped me at a green light for no reason. A semi ran the red light and I would have been killed. He told me, while in the car with two babies, to stop on a long rock road between cornfields for no reason. I eased up and saw a roadblock knocked down in front of a hugh gap in the road. We would have been killed or hurt very badly. He told me in the car again, to go way around a child on a bike. I did and while going around him for no reason, he fell off of the bike. I would have hit him. The stories can go on and on about prayer, communion, listening, and responding to Him. I enjoy knowing Him more and more.

Walking in the Spirit is just that. Spiritual things happen when you pray or walk with Him. It astounds me that people do not believe spiritual testimonies concerning His faithfulness. It astounds me that people need "proof" that God exists. If they would take the time to "know" Him, He would and will prove Himself to you. He does not have to, but I believe, due to His grace and mercy, He will.

These doubting Thomas's will be saved as by fire, but I don't think He can use them significantly in spiritual warfare. How can He when they don't "get it?" God is spirit and that is how He relates to us. I hope that made sense. In other words, who enjoys walking a dry walk and not interacting with Him? Sad. Who wants to be in a Harlot Church system that won't teach you these things? Again, sad.


"If you be still and know that I am God, I will teach you who I am and what I am saying on the inside of you." Psalm 46:10 You have to "still" yourself, or pray.

I had no idea, after reading the previous post, that I would get off on a tangent about prayer. But, I believe that I am listening and responding to the Holy Spirit and simply doing what He tells me to do. The rest is up to Him.

BTW....I learned how to walk with Jesus in this fashion in a Northern Indiana cornfield. I am not lifting up HEF. Dr. Freeman would be the first to give all the glory to Him. IMO

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"I enjoyed the reference to "flying by the seat of your pants" (I'm sure you were speaking of guys here....we know a sister would only be 'flying by the seat of her dress or skirt'. I just HAD to do that <grin>"




I will not use a box mix today to make up for it!


You know that I am always open to help with posting, etc.

I considered making it a new topic, but it seemed to fit. Let me know if you think I need to move it.

BTW, your entire post was a blessing.

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james wrote on Mon, 14 November 2011 12:40

Thanks for commenting William. I can't speaking for Charles Newbold but I'm thinking if he had a specific group in mind while writing this book, we probably wouldn't have been front and center. But I do think there's meat there to be eaten, for me it was more about the looking at my-'self', as I had already heard and received the general message of the book (come out of her). So the impact it has on a person, I presume, would be dictated by just how close to home it hits<grin>. Much of the message about 'self' conked me right over the head, as The Holy Spirit has been dealing with me along this line lately. Back in July I posted a bit on 'SELF' and quoted something from his book; "The idolatry revealed in this book is NOT about 'them' but each of us." ~Charles E.Newbold Jr.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the more the message is proclaimed the better... my point is that you/me and I daresay everyone else here got that message back in the late 70's. Unless there is something that was wrong with that message we heard then all it does is re-enforce things we already believe. Our discussion might go something like this:

You: (you, in general) Did you hear that message about the harlot church system?

Me: Why, yes... praise God. It's a blessing when others are getting to hear the same message we heard 30 years ago.

You: Amen!

Me: (Trying to think of something else to add...) It's a shame that people had to wait for Pagan Christianity and other books to come out in order to begin to see some of the ways that people have been deceived. (Implied point: We should have been the bearers of this wonderful news!)

You: True.

Me: Amen.

What more can be said? --You actually showed me that there was more to be said concerning the deeper-life and how it opened your eyes (or gave you a different perspective). I missed that part of the book apparently and need to go back and give it another chance... you said:

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I just remembered a statement you made a month or so ago on another thread about 'Devine healing, every time, no exceptions'...you said to the effect, "It's funny how differently people perceive things"...it is. You felt as if that discussion was very enlightening and fruitful; others thought something altogether different. Same goes here I suppose, I was really capitavited and read it over and over as The Lord used it to speak to me; your perception that it causes problems didn't occur to me. I would say this about 'problems', unless and until the problems are exposed, many people aren't aware of their existence. And I don't speak of pagan holidays as the focus(I don't even recall mentioning them, though I know Charles did due to the fact that the vast majority of believers in the harlot system are ignorant concerning their origins.) So the things that are elementary to us (church is the people, not a building, xmas tree powerless,ect.) he had to cover because these truths aren't elementary to those who are being held captive by the traditions and institutions of man.

The discussion dealing with whether or not medical science was occult or not is different from this thread because it dealt with an issue we all believed and accepted. We re-examined it for the expressed purpose of validating the genuineness of our premise. I don't think anyone is challenging the premise of Pagan Christianity, or the Harlot Church. He[Newbold] even had a pretty good definition of pharmakia/witchcraft that reflected the reality of the distinction between true science and the esoteric elements that we consider to be occult. He said:

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"The Greek word for sorcery is pharmakeia which refers to a person who prepares and uses magical remedies. The King James Version translates it "witchcraft"." Chapter 13 Witchcraft in Everyday Life

Now if we are examining whether or not the institution of the modern day Church is a valid representation of the Church that Jesus established then we might find equivalence in the two discussions. As far as I know there isn't a question in anyones mind when it comes to comparing the present-day organization with the living organism which is -- the Church.

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And I know that in times past 'we/i/you?' have used compilance as a guide in making judgments that possibly placed people who hadn't made the commitment yet under bondage with peer presure. Yet I don't believe that which we have been delivered and set free from would or should be considered as "trivialities". Maybe that was a poor choice of words, I think I get your meaning...'majoring on minors'??? But when we're given light we're to obey, regardless of how trivial or elementary it may seem to us, amen?

Of course we should obey when given truth. Imagine the foolishness of continuing a ritual when it is shown to be absolutely worthless (even offensive) as it relates to the worship of God. But the key concept in this equation is not the practice nor the propagation of the ritual, it is hearing the truth... and how shall they hear without a preacher? We tend to focus on damning the ritual instead of heralding the truth that renders the ritual foolish.

I don't find that Paul was too upset by having to preach a message on Mars Hill in the shadow of the altar to an unknown God (would we even venture into a church building that had such an altar?) he takes the occasion and turns it into an opportunity to preach the truth... even using the altar's description as an object lesson to represent the one and only TRUE GOD. He spends precious little time denouncing their foolishness... he, to my mind, trivializes the object of their affection and just assumes that once the truth of the omniscient God has been embraced the foolishness of their ignorance would become automatically apparent.

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Acts17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Preach all you want against idols but in all of your preaching present Jesus... He is the ultimate Truth and when He is lifted up the foolishness of idolatry is apparent.

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Would you hit the teeth of your chain saw-blades with a rat-tailed file to put an edge on them and top it off with gas?...just in case.

My pleasure... just let me know where you'll be preaching! <grin>

Blessings,
William

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